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 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING - Recolored Pages - SNEAK PREVIEW |
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Valiant Entertainment is proud to present a sneak preview of recolored pages for the upcoming HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING hardcover to ValiantFans.com first! All digital recoloring was overseen by original Valiant colorists who had an insider's view on the original intention of Harbinger's creative team. The integrity of the original look was preserved, while adding depth, special effects, and corrections using the latest digital techniques. The melding of classic storytelling and modern execution more accurately showcases the original vision for Harbinger issues #0 - #7 than ever before.
HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING (JUN073932), published by Valiant Entertainment, is solicited in the June Previews (Volume XVII #6) and scheduled to arrive in comic book stores nationwide on August 29th, 2007. The book marks the milestone return of comics legend Jim Shooter and is a full-color 192 page hardcover with a suggested retail price of $24.95.
Harbinger #1 - Page One
Harbinger #1 - Page Five
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Edit, June 19, 2007: Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier:
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/headlines/details.php?id=2981
Harbinger #1 - Page One
Harbinger #1 - Page Two
Harbinger #1 - Page Three
Harbinger #1 - Page Four
Harbinger #1 - Page Five
Harbinger #1 - Page Six
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING - Recolored Pages - SNEAK PREVI |
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I have to say, the recoloring really makes the book look drastically different. The pages are crisper and more defined.
I can't wait to get my copy and compare the whole thing to the originals, and most especially that new story. 
BTW Greg, are you still offering valiantfans.com space for $10 a year? |
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Heath
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Thanks, Greg and Dino! Great job on the computer coloring. I think it's some of the best computer coloring I've seen. It looks like great care was taken to stick with the original look and feel, but add a bit more flair to it too. I definitely like the recolored page 1 better than the original, but I think I like the original version of page 5 a little better - especially the explosion. The upper right panel is the only panel on that page that looks a lot better.
There was just something about that original water color by hand technique that I have always loved and so closely associated with Valiant.
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TKWill
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Stop it! This stuff keeps leaking out and I can hardly contain myself. It is bad enough I have to wait two months.
Thanks for the post Greg, the pages look amazing. |
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For the most part I like it but it seems to take a little something away from the look. I love the old hand painted Valiant colors. I understand the change and it appears to be done well.
Oh and just a note for the editor, you might want to change up the colors on the cars just a bit. That's a lot of red and white. |
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TKWill
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Oh, crap. That post is gonna get me in trouble.  |
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This looks FANTASTIC!
VE did a great job at keeping to the original while really spicing up the color and making it pop! I can't wait to get this book and read through it.
A big THANK YOU to Dino, et al, for providing the material for the sneak peak, and for Greg for posting it up! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oh wow... !
I know I'm new to the board but I've been a big valiant fan for years...
Seeing this stuff redone, and hoping it's the beginning of something great for the incredible universe that was valiant makes me shimmer... |
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Ryan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the preview! I love the original colors, but these do add some sharpness and depth! Can't wait till August! |
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Lightning Strike
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| dellamorte wrote: | For the most part I like it but it seems to take a little something away from the look. I love the old hand painted Valiant colors. I understand the change and it appears to be done well.
Oh and just a note for the editor, you might want to change up the colors on the cars just a bit. That's a lot of red and white. |
I think that was done intentionally to draw your attention away from the background and to the main characters. |
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Wow. D.C. really cleaned up that river in the last ten years. 
Looks incredible! Me like. |
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| Looks great !! Thank for the preview !!! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| dellamorte wrote: | For the most part I like it but it seems to take a little something away from the look. I love the old hand painted Valiant colors. I understand the change and it appears to be done well.
Oh and just a note for the editor, you might want to change up the colors on the cars just a bit. That's a lot of red and white. |
I like the red car, it gives it a 3D "VALIANT Vision"esque effect that makes it pop out of the page, like it's flying out of it straight to you. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | For the most part I like it but it seems to take a little something away from the look. I love the old hand painted Valiant colors. I understand the change and it appears to be done well.
Oh and just a note for the editor, you might want to change up the colors on the cars just a bit. That's a lot of red and white. |
I like the red car, it gives it a 3D "VALIANT Vision"esque effect that makes it pop out of the page, like it's flying out of it straight to you. |
Not the red car center page but all the red cars on the road down below. |
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greg
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| dellamorte wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | For the most part I like it but it seems to take a little something away from the look. I love the old hand painted Valiant colors. I understand the change and it appears to be done well.
Oh and just a note for the editor, you might want to change up the colors on the cars just a bit. That's a lot of red and white. |
I like the red car, it gives it a 3D "VALIANT Vision"esque effect that makes it pop out of the page, like it's flying out of it straight to you. |
Not the red car center page but all the red cars on the road down below. |
They're not all red... the Sweet Pickles Bus is in there.  |
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| I love it all. I think if the rest is this good, I'll probably need an extra scotch-guarded copy to keep the drool from causing moisture damage! |
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| Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
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greg
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
Your loss... personally, I like a blue sky.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Heath wrote: |
Thanks, Greg and Dino! Great job on the computer coloring. I think it's some of the best computer coloring I've seen. It looks like great care was taken to stick with the original look and feel, but add a bit more flair to it too. I definitely like the recolored page 1 better than the original, but I think I like the original version of page 5 a little better - especially the explosion. The upper right panel is the only panel on that page that looks a lot better.
There was just something about that original water color by hand technique that I have always loved and so closely associated with Valiant. |
I agree.
/Magnus |
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I like the change...
Period.
-Brian |
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| I also like the crispness of it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| The watercolor style is so Valiant and I will miss it but after seeing these I'm really excited for this book. The first and last panels for page 5 are my faves. Not showy sfx panels but crisp, strong story telling. Coloring serves the story. Thats what Valiant is about. |
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| Looks good to me! Thanks for the preview. |
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| Since I have had a little time to settle dwon after seeing this I look at it with mixed feelings. I am going to miss the watercolor style that VALIANT is known for, like it has been mentioned on many threads including this one, it was a small part of what got me to read VALIANT all those years ago and in some way part of what brought me back. The other part of me is okay with seeing it go. While it is hard for me to say that, there is more of a market for this book with eye-popping color and sharp detail. It is simply what a great deal of the market demands. IMO this change is what is part of what will be needed to bring new readers in to our little corner of the "Dead Universe" which is something that VALIANT will need in those crucial first months. I personally like the change, I have grown accustomed to newer books having this feel, and I welcome the change with open arms. |
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| So much gradation is lost with computer coloring and it really shows in some of those panels. Bummer. But I can understand why it has to be done. |
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| greg wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
Your loss... personally, I like a blue sky. |
What did I lose?
I personally prefer old Valiant comics colored like Valiant Comics and not like the later Acclaim Comics, but each to their own. |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
Now I am just asking, and in no way trying to start a fight.
I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do. Maybe the old coloring way is better, maybe not. But if we ever hope to have new Valiant comics, we as the Val. fans need to support and do our part (go to our LCS and tell them we want one of these, then maybe they will order an extra one.)
I'm am not a rich man by any means, and $25 for stories I already have (not counting the new Shooter story) is kinda steep. But I feel the need to support whatever they are doing, (at least at first, so DNV can get started, then we'll see what I think). I just think that we need to help get them off the gorund then....... individually we will have to make a decision to support them or not.
Bottom line, I want new Val. stories. And the only way for that to happen is if DNV is financially (sp?) sucessful, and I have a small part to play in that.
This is just my opinion, and not everyone will aggree, and that is ok. It is just an opinion. |
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greg
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | greg wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
Your loss... personally, I like a blue sky. |
What did I lose?
I personally prefer old Valiant comics colored like Valiant Comics and not like the later Acclaim Comics, but each to their own. |
"Sitting this one out"... sounds like you've got to make a choice.
You don't. You can have it both ways. The old is there forever. But so will be the new.
The future of Valiant will be digital coloring.
It's 2007... hand-painted watercolors aren't coming back.
What is back is the early Valiant stories... Harbinger, for sure.
What is back is a new story by Jim Shooter.
What is not back is hand-painted watercolors.
If the thing that keeps you "sitting it out" is the digital coloring,
you might as well give up on the future of Valiant now. It's not 1991.
...and when you look at the originals, for all of their glory... they weren't perfect.
For example, a sky should be blue. Water? Blue.
A highway? Black. Those lines in the middle of a highway? Yellow.
The original art (by Janet) is FANTASTIC, and since I own some, I know that nothing
compares to the original art. But the printed pages didn't always show her skill.
It's like upgrading to an HD TV, but refusing to watch anything but VHS.
How does progress make progress without progress? |
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my problem isn't with the digital colors replacing the old hand-painted ones...i just don't like this particular digital coloring job.
will that keep me from getting the new hardcover? nope.
do i wish richard isanove or tom smith had been tasked with the recoloring? hell yes.
i figure it went down like this...
VEI wanted to re-release the harby books. they had full inks (or access to them) but didn't have the color pieces.
so what were they to do?
they probably contacted a few "old-school" colorists and then hedged their bets by also contacting some "new-school" guys.
what they found was that the old-school guys were signifigantly more expensive then the new processes.
also, given the extra freedom going digital meant for them, then chose this direction.
again, i'm not against the digital coloring on new valiant books...i just don't dig the pages posted for preview. they look flat.
if anyone on the boards was responsible then please understand, i'm not slagging you...just stating a preference.
i'm getting new harbinger material...who am i to complain?
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I like the new pages, personally. The way I see it, I'm glad they did this. I already have a Harbinger TPB. It's nice to know (besides the new story) that I'm getting something different with my purchase. I like new, I like upgrades, and if I year for the "old days" and art and whatever, then I've got the issues and I've got the old TPB... and the blue variant TPB... and the second print TPB...
Either way... I think the new art will help draw in people that aren't into
"old". And that helps everyone...
Oh... and your losing of a loss... of losses. Y'know?  |
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Ryan
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| etos45 wrote: | I like the new pages, personally. The way I see it, I'm glad they did this. I already have a Harbinger TPB. It's nice to know (besides the new story) that I'm getting something different with my purchase. I like new, I like upgrades, and if I year for the "old days" and art and whatever, then I've got the issues and I've got the old TPB... and the blue variant TPB... and the second print TPB...
Either way... I think the new art will help draw in people that aren't into
"old". And that helps everyone...
Oh... and your losing of a loss... of losses. Y'know? |
I agree both versions have their strengths and weaknesses, so the best solution is to have both |
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| Elveen wrote: | | I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do. |
Only support what you like.
If it's bad. F them.
If it's good. Support them.
But please. Lets not support then blindly.
We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we? |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Elveen wrote: | | I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do. |
Only support what you like.
If it's bad. F them.
If it's good. Support them.
But please. Lets not support then blindly.
We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we? |
| Me wrote: | | But I feel the need to support whatever they are doing, (at least at first, so DNV can get started, then we'll see what I think). I just think that we need to help get them off the gorund then....... individually we will have to make a decision to support them or not. |
I think that is what I said. I do think we should support them to get them off the ground.... then we can see what we think.
If it is lame...... then, I'm out. but I won't know if: I never buy anything, or, if they never even get a chance to put out their product.
but I agrre with you Jedi.
Again, just my opinion. |
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| Elveen wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | Elveen wrote: | | I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do. |
Only support what you like.
If it's bad. F them.
If it's good. Support them.
But please. Lets not support then blindly.
We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we? |
| Me wrote: | | But I feel the need to support whatever they are doing, (at least at first, so DNV can get started, then we'll see what I think). I just think that we need to help get them off the gorund then....... individually we will have to make a decision to support them or not. |
I think that is what I said. I do think we should support them to get them off the ground.... then we can see what we think.
If it is lame...... then, I'm out. but I won't know if: I never buy anything, or, if they never even get a chance to put out their product.
but I agrre with you Jedi.
Again, just my opinion. |
What I posted was more directed at everyone.
All I can say is 'You better knock my socks off, Dino' 'cause if it sucks..............................................................all bets are off. |
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Nice preview. Thanks Greg
I like the added depth and it is easier to contrast between objects. Is it better?..................not really but it gives it a "modern" (an over used word) look. I'm sure VEI feels that this change is necessary in order to make an attempt at appealing to today's comic buyers. Not to mention it is probably cheaper to use computer coloring over the alternative as cinlach suggested.
IOW, I'm still very much in. |
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etos45
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Elveen wrote: | | I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do. |
Only support what you like.
If it's bad. F them.
If it's good. Support them.
But please. Lets not support then blindly.
We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we? |
I've seen that Zoom Suit thing mentioned before... what is/was it?
Oh... and if it's bad... buy more... it can only get better, right? |
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| etos45 wrote: | I've seen that Zoom Suit thing mentioned before... what is/was it?
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http://www.superverse.com/
I like the first couple of issues, but the focus on "flash" and tons of variants ruined things after awhile. |
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | etos45 wrote: | I've seen that Zoom Suit thing mentioned before... what is/was it?
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I like the first couple of issues, but the focus on "flash" and tons of variants ruined things after awhile. |
Issue #3 was ok................ |
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What I learned from Zoom Suit is that I love companies putting their first issue of a book on the internet. I read through #1 when he had it up. It was pretty bad and I knew I wouldn't buy a copy. I did buy #2 though, just to see if it got any better.
It was smart of him to take the #1 issue down from the website when he launched his variant spree. If anyone read it, the actual copies wouldn't have sold at all.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, Image puts up many #1 issues online. I've picked up on good books that way and I'll continue to buy them.
If I think something blows, I'm not going to support it no matter what. On the other hand, if it's a good book that I plan on rereading, I'll usually buy both singles and trades. |
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StarBrand
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: Supporting the new Valiant |
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I'm with Elveen on supporting the new Valiant. It was a strong sign they brought Shooter back to script their first new story. I'm going to support them as much as I can assuming they're going to do a good job. Heck, as far as I'm concerned it's all aces so far.
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| So far, the only thing I'm mildly unhappy about is Bob Hall's name not being mentioned in any of the advertisements or the Previews solicitation. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: Bob Hall and JJ |
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That's a good point. Maybe they'll read your comment here and start including his name, though I guess there's not much time to do that. I'm sure they're on a learning curve on some of this stuff.
Speaking of Bob Hall, I've been reading some New Universe books from the eighties, and not only did Bob Hall do some work on the New U, but JJ colored quite a few of the books. So, JJ worked on all four of the 'Shooter Universes' as I like to call them... The New U, Valiant, Defiant, and Broadway. |
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| I like the *VALIANT (1991-1996)* look. I also am liking the new look as well. At least they stayed with the original theme of the book. Nice preview there Greg. It answered some of my questions without having to ask. |
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Heath
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Even though I still prefer the original hand colored pages, we've got VEI releasing a product, a NEW VALIANT story with JIM SHOOTER writing it and BOB HALL doing the art.
I'm as happy as a little girl.
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| jmpet wrote: | I think it makes it look "more cartooney". The colors are flatter and "everything looks like what it's supposed to look like" instead of what it is: a comic book.
Hate to be a naysayer, but I am tired of "everything looking what it's supposed to look like"- this is definetly a step away from the art that is a comic book.
Bah!
You know- early Valiants didn't have the best artists on them, but every copy had that handmade quality to it... holding and reading one for the first time was an experience. Side by side, X-Men #171 blows away Harbinger #5 on many levels, but Harbinger #5 is still a better issue nonetheless... Valiant is more an experience of reading a comic book than anything else... that draws in readers.
Something is definetly lost when you "color correct" everything. |
I must disagree.
Coloring it so that things look how they're supposed to helps sell the illusion that this is a world outside your window. It grounds it even more in reality. |
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leonmallett
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Seeing the newer colours alongside the older versions I'd say both have their reasons for me liking them (in some ways the older painted colour looks more naturalistic), but my preference is probably for the newer versions. It also depends on what they will look like on the page, and what the paper stock is like.
I am also really looking forward to that new book smell. Mmmm! |
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| leonmallett wrote: | Seeing the newer colours alongside the older versions I'd say both have their reasons for me liking them (in some ways the older painted colour looks more naturalistic), but my preference is probably for the newer versions. It also depends on what they will look like on the page, and what the paper stock is like.
I am also really looking forward to that new book smell. Mmmm! |
To this day my VALIANTs still retain their particular smell, heh (why is it that VALIANT's comics smelled at all? lol) |
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| I haven't seen enough of the art yet to come to any conclusions really. It seems to me though that most tpb's and hardcovers don't usually look as "sharp" as a single comic book does. So I wouldn't get too worked up if the coloring doesn't have the look everyone's expecting. We'll just have to wait and see what they do with the regular comics. |
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| Quite right DJ. Besides, its the story we should be concerned with, not the coloring. |
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| It will be awesome to finally know where Harada came from and hopefully have a look at why he is the way he is. I hope that Harbinger is a permanant return from Valiant. |
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| manningfan wrote: | | It will be awesome to finally know where Harada came from and hopefully have a look at why he is the way he is. I hope that Harbinger is a permanant return from Valiant. |
Yeah I want to see a preview page from the New story now  |
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Jesus people...
You guys will find ANYTHING to freaking argue or complain about.
Seriously though... its Valiant and ITS back! What the *SQUEE* else matters? We had absolutely zero say when the original came out and we loved it... I'm sure a fan who has spent 1 million bucks of his money to buy a dead universe and bring it back to its hayday will take EVERY precaution to make sure it happens. Will everyone agree on everything... hell no... but did you still love it?
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| Ricomortis wrote: | Jesus people...
You guys will find ANYTHING to freaking argue or complain about.
Seriously though... its Valiant and ITS back! What the *SQUEE* else matters? We had absolutely zero say when the original came out and we loved it... I'm sure a fan who has spent 1 million bucks of his money to buy a dead universe and bring it back to its hayday will take EVERY precaution to make sure it happens. Will everyone agree on everything... hell no... but did you still love it?
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Ricomortis wrote: | Jesus people...
You guys will find ANYTHING to freaking argue or complain about.
Seriously though... its Valiant and ITS back! What the *SQUEE* else matters? We had absolutely zero say when the original came out and we loved it... I'm sure a fan who has spent 1 million bucks of his money to buy a dead universe and bring it back to its hayday will take EVERY precaution to make sure it happens. Will everyone agree on everything... hell no... but did you still love it?
Rico |
Good to see your off the "Stuff".... |
Yea... ran out last night.
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I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change. For so long, it's been one way in their head, and now it's not. It's like when you move and then have occassion to see what the new tennants have done with your former home. You remember the living room as being green, and now it's blue. It's not the way you see it in your mind, and it can be an adjustment.
Me, I'm supporting it. Let's face it; reprinting the original watercolors was never a serious option. Even if they had all of the original color sheets, it was never going to happen. This wasn't done out of lack of options, it was done because technology has improved, and more people like computer coloring. And besides, the originals still exist. This isn't replacing them, it's in addition to them. |
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leonmallett
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| VHMMV wrote: | I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change. For so long, it's been one way in their head, and now it's not. It's like when you move and then have occassion to see what the new tennants have done with your former home. You remember the living room as being green, and now it's blue. It's not the way you see it in your mind, and it can be an adjustment.
Me, I'm supporting it. Let's face it; reprinting the original watercolors was never a serious option. Even if they had all of the original color sheets, it was never going to happen. This wasn't done out of lack of options, it was done because technology has improved, and more people like computer coloring. And besides, the originals still exist. This isn't replacing them, it's in addition to them. |
I like this. |
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| VHMMV wrote: | I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change. For so long, it's been one way in their head, and now it's not. It's like when you move and then have occassion to see what the new tennants have done with your former home. You remember the living room as being green, and now it's blue. It's not the way you see it in your mind, and it can be an adjustment.
Me, I'm supporting it. Let's face it; reprinting the original watercolors was never a serious option. Even if they had all of the original color sheets, it was never going to happen. This wasn't done out of lack of options, it was done because technology has improved, and more people like computer coloring. And besides, the originals still exist. This isn't replacing them, it's in addition to them. |
Nicely said. The new HC (new coloring or not) will never be able to eclipse the joy I had reading these books for the first time or outshine the memory of that first time. I think maybe if my first time was with this new hardcover it might have been an even better experience very much like the Star Wars special editions. |
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| muzzsucker wrote: | | much like the Star Wars special editions. |
If you're compairing the harbinger HC to the Star Wars Special Edition. Then the new valiant will fail to the true OG Valiant fans.
Just like the Special editions did with the OG Star Wars fans.
And. OG Star Wars fans didn't care to much for the prequels that Lucas did. Did they?
I just don't get it. Just like Lucas, Valiant is Fcking with perfection. There was no reason to change the coloring.
Just like when Lucas changed the Cantina seen. Didn't change the story, but it ruined the look and feel to the movie.
But who are we kidding. Just like the Special Editions were made to attract new Star Wars fans. The younger, more Special effect oriented crowd.
The Harbinger HC isn't for us. It's to attract new readers. The new generation of comic book fans. They need this look to compete with Marvel and DC. |
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leonmallett
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| jedimarley wrote: | | muzzsucker wrote: | | much like the Star Wars special editions. |
If you're compairing the harbinger HC to the Star Wars Special Edition. Then the new valiant will fail to the true OG Valiant fans.
Just like the Special editions did with the OG Star Wars fans.
And. OG Star Wars fans didn't care to much for the prequels that Lucas did. Did they?
I just don't get it. Just like Lucas, Valiant is Fcking with perfection. There was no reason to change the coloring.
Just like when Lucas changed the Cantina seen. Didn't change the story, but it ruined the look and feel to the movie.
But who are we kidding. Just like the Special Editions were made to attract new Star Wars fans. The younger, more Special effect oriented crowd.
The Harbinger HC isn't for us. It's to attract new readers. The new generation of comic book fans. They need this look to compete with Marvel and DC. |
I have to disagree with the Star Wars analogy and generalisation. I saw the original films in the cinema (Empire I saw twice) and later had them on video. I love the Empire Strikes Back. I watched it dozens of times before the 90's re-release. I own the original trilogy Special Edition DVDs and don't have an issue with the way Empire was re-done. Equally I feel that Star Wars/A New Hope benefitted from the Han and Jabba scene and the Biggs footage being added back in, especially as I had become familiar with both from reading the novelisation of the first film a few times (although I agree about the cantina mistake). The point is I am an 'old school' Star Wars fan and I accept the changes, and even feel my viewing of Empire at least has been enhanced. I even like Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith (although neither comes close to Star Wars/A New Hope or the Empire Strikes Back). |
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jedimarley
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| leonmallett wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | muzzsucker wrote: | | much like the Star Wars special editions. |
If you're compairing the harbinger HC to the Star Wars Special Edition. Then the new valiant will fail to the true OG Valiant fans.
Just like the Special editions did with the OG Star Wars fans.
And. OG Star Wars fans didn't care to much for the prequels that Lucas did. Did they?
I just don't get it. Just like Lucas, Valiant is Fcking with perfection. There was no reason to change the coloring.
Just like when Lucas changed the Cantina seen. Didn't change the story, but it ruined the look and feel to the movie.
But who are we kidding. Just like the Special Editions were made to attract new Star Wars fans. The younger, more Special effect oriented crowd.
The Harbinger HC isn't for us. It's to attract new readers. The new generation of comic book fans. They need this look to compete with Marvel and DC. |
I have to disagree with the Star Wars analogy and generalisation. I saw the original films in the cinema (Empire I saw twice) and later had them on video. I love the Empire Strikes Back. I watched it dozens of times before the 90's re-release. I own the original trilogy Special Edition DVDs and don't have an issue with the way Empire was re-done. Equally I feel that Star Wars/A New Hope benefitted from the Han and Jabba scene and the Biggs footage being added back in, especially as I had become familiar with both from reading the novelisation of the first film a few times (although I agree about the cantina mistake). The point is I am an 'old school' Star Wars fan and I accept the changes, and even feel my viewing of Empire at least has been enhanced. I even like Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith (although neither comes close to Star Wars/A New Hope or the Empire Strikes Back). |
You just made my argument for me.
Some 'Old School" Star Wars like the Special Editions. Some don't.
Same will/is happening with the Harbinger HC.
The thing is...Some Star Wars fans DO NOT acknowledge the existence of the Special Editions.
Will the same be said for the Harbinger HC???? |
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leonmallett
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| jedimarley wrote: | | leonmallett wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | muzzsucker wrote: | | much like the Star Wars special editions. |
If you're compairing the harbinger HC to the Star Wars Special Edition. Then the new valiant will fail to the true OG Valiant fans.
Just like the Special editions did with the OG Star Wars fans.
And. OG Star Wars fans didn't care to much for the prequels that Lucas did. Did they?
I just don't get it. Just like Lucas, Valiant is Fcking with perfection. There was no reason to change the coloring.
Just like when Lucas changed the Cantina seen. Didn't change the story, but it ruined the look and feel to the movie.
But who are we kidding. Just like the Special Editions were made to attract new Star Wars fans. The younger, more Special effect oriented crowd.
The Harbinger HC isn't for us. It's to attract new readers. The new generation of comic book fans. They need this look to compete with Marvel and DC. |
I have to disagree with the Star Wars analogy and generalisation. I saw the original films in the cinema (Empire I saw twice) and later had them on video. I love the Empire Strikes Back. I watched it dozens of times before the 90's re-release. I own the original trilogy Special Edition DVDs and don't have an issue with the way Empire was re-done. Equally I feel that Star Wars/A New Hope benefitted from the Han and Jabba scene and the Biggs footage being added back in, especially as I had become familiar with both from reading the novelisation of the first film a few times (although I agree about the cantina mistake). The point is I am an 'old school' Star Wars fan and I accept the changes, and even feel my viewing of Empire at least has been enhanced. I even like Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith (although neither comes close to Star Wars/A New Hope or the Empire Strikes Back). |
You just made my argument for me.
Some 'Old School" Star Wars like the Special Editions. Some don't.
Same will/is happening with the Harbinger HC.
The thing is...Some Star Wars fans DO NOT acknowledge the existence of the Special Editions.
Will the same be said for the Harbinger HC???? |
Time will tell. I cannot lay claim to being an 'old school' VALIANT fan, so the reaction will be interesting. It just seemed you were arguing that all old school SW fans disliked the SE versions. Sorry if I misinterpreted that.
Re the colouring - was the old colouring reproducible still? I assume that VEI have the films of the original pages - is this the case? |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | There was no reason to change the coloring....It's to attract new readers. |
Another possibility is that it wasn't possible to reprint without recoloring.
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| magnusr wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | There was no reason to change the coloring....It's to attract new readers. |
Another possibility is that it wasn't possible to reprint without recoloring.
/Magnus |
If not?? They know where to find JJ.
Fact is. That would be a GREAT selling point....."Newly re-colored by Janet Jackson" |
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I like the SE versions. But now that I have the choice to either watch the original theatrical versions or the SE editions on DVD..I'll choose the originals.
Same will go for the Harbinger HC. If I'm not thrilled with the 'New Look'...
I'll re-read the originals. |
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I like the SE versions. But now that I have the choice to either watch the original theatrical versions or the SE editions on DVD..I'll choose the originals.
Same will go for the Harbinger HC. If I'm not thrilled with the 'New Look'...
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I still have my OG remastered box-set on VHS that I refuse to part with. The SE disgusted me, but I have a begrudging acceptance of it now. I don't love it, but what are you gonna do. I don't feel the same way about the HC, it is what has to be done. The younger modern reader demands the newer style of coloring. Let it be. And as someone said before, as long as the stories are of the same quality I am in. |
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Daniel Jackson
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| jedimarley wrote: | | leonmallett wrote: | It just seemed you were arguing that all old school SW fans disliked the SE versions. Sorry if I misinterpreted that.
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I like the SE versions. But now that I have the choice to either watch the original theatrical versions or the SE editions on DVD..I'll choose the originals.
Same will go for the Harbinger HC. If I'm not thrilled with the 'New Look'...
I'll re-read the originals. |
I like that idea, but were talking about recoloring 7entire issues plus the new story by Shooter. I imagine it would be hard for Janet to do that kind of volume and keep up with whatever she's currently doing. Not to mention the extra cost. |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | magnusr wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | There was no reason to change the coloring....It's to attract new readers. |
Another possibility is that it wasn't possible to reprint without recoloring.
/Magnus |
If not?? They know where to find JJ.
Fact is. That would be a GREAT selling point....."Newly re-colored by Janet Jackson" |
A great selling point for who? Seriously WE love JJ colors thats for sure but outside of this group the average Comic fan has no idea who Janet is and wouldn't care...
not enough to sway someone buying the HC, again outside this group...they will either buy it or not.
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 so much controversy over recoloring.
IMO
There is no reason for ME as a VALIANT fan to purchase the Harbinger HC because I've read and own the whole story line.
In terms of marketing the book, you want to offer the old VALIANT readers reasons to purchase the HC, such as new digital coloring (the current standard) and a new Harada origin story.
As Greg stated the original coloring will always be there in the original printing.
If you don't like the new coloring don't buy it (yeah right ).
I like the new coloring, which is reason enough for me to purchase the HC.
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I like the SE versions. But now that I have the choice to either watch the original theatrical versions or the SE editions on DVD..I'll choose the originals.
Same will go for the Harbinger HC. If I'm not thrilled with the 'New Look'...
I'll re-read the originals. |
I still have my OG remastered box-set on VHS that I refuse to part with. The SE disgusted me, but I have a begrudging acceptance of it now. I don't love it, but what are you gonna do. I don't feel the same way about the HC, it is what has to be done. The younger modern reader demands the newer style of coloring. Let it be. And as someone said before, as long as the stories are of the same quality I am in. |
I have that same set but I refuse to be an OG Lucas flunkie.
We all know that Londo Mollari is the original gangsta anyways. |
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| betterthanezra wrote: | A great selling point for who? Seriously WE love JJ colors thats for sure but outside of this group the average Comic fan has no idea who Janet is and wouldn't care...
not enough to sway someone buying the HC, again outside this group...they will either buy it or not.
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Everyone of us here, on this site, has posted at least once that the coloring technique is one of the reasons that we fell in love with early Valiant.
Who's to say that that couldn't happen again?
You want Valiant to blend with what's already out there?
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When I mentioned the special editions I was talking about the enhancements. No one believes that Greedo should shoot first  I'm talking about the updated lightsaber effects and sounds, the death star explosion, the upgrade to 5.1 surround sound etc. etc. etc.
As far as we know this HC will be the very same story but with technical upgrades. For me thats exciting.
I remember a very similar debate about the digital coloring in the Sandman Absolute editions on the newsarama boards and the general consensus was that hand coloring had seen its day. I love sandman to bits but seeing the new Absolute edition made me fall in love again. The story has so much more depth now, layers I hadn't seen before because hand coloring only allows so much to be done were now visible. The story was deepened. My hope is that the same thing happens here. |
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| And the beat goes on. Valiant has to compete with other companies than just Marvel and DC, When you look at the fact that a typical comic book is $4.00 these days, if they go back to a style that is considered "Weak" or "Old School" it would be company suicide. They have to compete with companies like IDW and Image, if you like those companies or not. To the main comic collector groups out there Valiant will be the new kid on the block or that crappy company with all those twenty five cent bin books. If Valiant does not compete to that level, they will be proving the naysayers right. I hate to say that as most of you are more than likely hateing to hear it but it is the truth. In order for Vakiant to be successful they have to be at the same level lookwise as everyone else. Hopefully they will make the dedicated fans from the past and a new set of curious fans happy as well. |
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| manningfan wrote: | | They have to compete with companies like IDW. |
I'd be perfectly ok with paying $3.99 for a VALIANT comic if they offered the same kind of quality as IDW's comics (I'd be happier if they could offer that kind of quality for $2.50...). |
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| manningfan wrote: | | And the beat goes on. Valiant has to compete with other companies than just Marvel and DC, When you look at the fact that a typical comic book is $4.00 these days, if they go back to a style that is considered "Weak" or "Old School" it would be company suicide. They have to compete with companies like IDW and Image, if you like those companies or not. To the main comic collector groups out there Valiant will be the new kid on the block or that crappy company with all those twenty five cent bin books. If Valiant does not compete to that level, they will be proving the naysayers right. I hate to say that as most of you are more than likely hateing to hear it but it is the truth. In order for Vakiant to be successful they have to be at the same level lookwise as everyone else. Hopefully they will make the dedicated fans from the past and a new set of curious fans happy as well. |
I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high...So are cover prices. If Valiant Entertainment can put out a quality product thats at a competitive price thats all were asking for...
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"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
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| jedimarley wrote: | | betterthanezra wrote: | | I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high... |
"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
This is the quality you speak of???? |
I think he means production values, not content. |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | betterthanezra wrote: | | I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high... |
"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
This is the quality you speak of???? |
Not counting THOSE things I mean
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"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
This is the quality you speak of???? |
Maybe he was listening to Rita Coolidge or watching *SQUEE*. |
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| betterthanezra wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | betterthanezra wrote: | | I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high... |
"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
This is the quality you speak of???? |
Not counting THOSE things I mean
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All Dino has to do is the opposite of Zoom Suite and he'll succeed. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | betterthanezra wrote: | | I think most of us can agree that quality in the industry is at an all time high... |
"All time high"???????????????
Late books?
Poor writing????
The resurgence of the variant covers??
This is the quality you speak of???? |
I think he means production values, not content. |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
Yes, I'm afraid so.
Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!! |
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| whovianone wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
Yes, I'm afraid so.
Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!! |
You've gone a little overbaoard . . . Now you're just being picky . . . .
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
Yes, I'm afraid so.
Many books have as many as 10 variants. IDW is pretty bad abuot it. But, Avatar puts out as many as 12 for each book. Different artists, varying ratios, and some have leather, foil, holograms, gold, etc. And it's the same content!!!! |
You've gone a little overbaoard . . . Now you're just being picky . . . .
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Just wanted to weigh in - those preview pages are better than I could have hoped for.
I can't wait to see the entire book! |
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| jmpet wrote: | >I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<
Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late *VALIANT (1991-1996)* comics- the coloring sucked.
Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.
For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.
Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.
I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.
BAH! |
If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada. |
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| leonmallett wrote: | | jmpet wrote: | >I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<
Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late *VALIANT (1991-1996)* comics- the coloring sucked.
Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.
For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.
Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.
I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.
BAH! |
If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada. |
Sure there is.
Not many would buy this is if wasn't for the new/unseen story. |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | leonmallett wrote: | | jmpet wrote: | >I think part of the problem which some people may be having with the new colors isn't really about the colors at all, but at seeing their memories/experiences of the original Valiant U. change...Me, I'm supporting it.<
Seeing page one reminded me of when I visited Atomic Paintbrush and they were so proud to show me how they can color a book in three days. I looked at the thing and it sucked. Then I interviewed the colorists and half of them were fired watercolorists and the other half were computer geeks. You all remember late *VALIANT (1991-1996)* comics- the coloring sucked.
Now I don't expect them to reprint the originals (and as you said, they can't because they don't have them), but I expected the next level of watercoloring technology- not the same cartooney whitewash-coloring as every other comic book these days.
For example. Remember the early 90's when CGI first came out? Sure it was CGI but it looked cheesy- Lawnmower Man, Lord of Illusion, etc... Now look at LOTR and this is how CGI should be done- it should look real.
Reprinting Harbinger with computer colors only detracts from the book. Now this is perfectly fine if you expect to then come out with something else/something new but none of us have heard this- there is no info on any new comics at all from these guys.
I remember several years ago they were reprinting a Rai TPB and from all I have seen, this Harbinger TPB appears to be nothing more than their attempt to keep their trademarks alive.
BAH! |
If it was simply about keeping the trademarks alive, then there wouldn't be the need (and associated cost) of including the new (or is it just never-before-seen?) origin of Harada. |
Sure there is.
Not many would buy this is if wasn't for the new/unseen story. |
This is a great point to bring up. I hope that the story is worth the purchase.
As for the Varaint covers comeback, that is the one big thing I think I hate the most about comics these days. I hated them in the mid to late nineties and I hate them now. It is what helped lead to the huge crash before and I hope that it doesn't happen again. Other than that as far as quality in looks and production value, comics in general are at an all time high. I miss the days of seventy five cents though. |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.
Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.  |
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| Second_Death wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.
Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives. |
That's Zoom Suit #4 variant. |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.
Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives. |
That's Zoom Suit #4 variant. |
WOW - another Zoom Suit variant I have to find? 
I think Taddeo is a nice guy and all, but he went WAY overboard with his variants! I can see one variant of issue #1 or of special issues once a year or so, but he had multiples of each issue. A bit hard for collectors to keep up with. 
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.
Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives. |
That's Zoom Suit #4 variant. |
Its been done? |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | manningfan wrote: | | They have to compete with companies like IDW. |
I'd be perfectly ok with paying $3.99 for a VALIANT comic if they offered the same kind of quality as IDW's comics (I'd be happier if they could offer that kind of quality for $2.50...). |
The same here.
I like the new colors but it's still an issue of money for me.
| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
IDW is really bad on alternate covers almost every issue of all their various Angel, Spike, and Transformers mini-series has had an alternate cover in same freaking ratio 50/50 and DC is just as bad. Marvel is doing alternate dusk jackets for most of their hardcovers. |
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| Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Second_Death wrote: | | jedimarley wrote: |
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You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue. |
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.
DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League. |
Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.
Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives. |
That's Zoom Suit #4 variant. |
Its been done? |
35+ variant issues for a four issue mini-series....You're bound to run out of ideas. |
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Only support what you like.
If it's bad. F them.
If it's good. Support them.
But please. Lets not support then blindly.
We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we? |
Amen. Comics aren't a charity, they're a business. If a company makes a product that appeals to enough consumers it'll make it. If it doesn't it won't. It's that simple. No collection plates needed. |
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| greg wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | greg wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out. |
Your loss... personally, I like a blue sky. |
What did I lose?
I personally prefer old Valiant comics colored like Valiant Comics and not like the later Acclaim Comics, but each to their own. |
"Sitting this one out"... sounds like you've got to make a choice.
You don't. You can have it both ways. The old is there forever. But so will be the new.
The future of Valiant will be digital coloring.
It's 2007... hand-painted watercolors aren't coming back.
What is back is the early Valiant stories... Harbinger, for sure.
What is back is a new story by Jim Shooter.
What is not back is hand-painted watercolors.
If the thing that keeps you "sitting it out" is the digital coloring,
you might as well give up on the future of Valiant now. It's not 1991.
...and when you look at the originals, for all of their glory... they weren't perfect.
For example, a sky should be blue. Water? Blue.
A highway? Black. Those lines in the middle of a highway? Yellow.
The original art (by Janet) is FANTASTIC, and since I own some, I know that nothing
compares to the original art. But the printed pages didn't always show her skill.
It's like upgrading to an HD TV, but refusing to watch anything but VHS.
How does progress make progress without progress? |
Wow, when did i ever say i was sitting this one out because of the colors?
It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in. |
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.
Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.
In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.
Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars? |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in. |
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.
Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.
In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.
Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars? |
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care. |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in. |
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.
Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.
In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.
Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars? |
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care. |
Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.
I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.
We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh. |
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Todd Luck
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in. |
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.
Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.
In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.
Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars? |
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care. |
Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.
I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.
We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh. |
Around where I live they don't call it the 50 cent bin, they call it the Valiant section |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in. |
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.
Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.
In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.
Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars? |
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care. |
Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.
I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.
We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh. |
Around where I live they don't call it the 50 cent bin, they call it the Valiant section |
That's because the Youngblood box is 10 cents, right? |
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Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier:
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/headlines/details.php?id=2981
Harbinger #1 - Page One
Harbinger #1 - Page Two
Harbinger #1 - Page Three
Harbinger #1 - Page Four
Harbinger #1 - Page Five
Harbinger #1 - Page Six
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magnusr
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| greg wrote: | | Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier |
I had my wife comment on them. She preferred the second image in each pair as "the first look like it was done on a computer and the second look more natural". Then again, she's not a typical comic book buyer. To be precise, she's not a comic book buyer at all. As for me, if I am to find a complaint, I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version.
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| magnusr wrote: | | greg wrote: | | Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier |
I had my wife comment on them. She preferred the second image in each pair as "the first look like it was done on a computer and the second look more natural". Then again, she's not a typical comic book buyer. To be precise, she's not a comic book buyer at all. As for me, if I am to find a complaint, I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version.
/Magnus |
I never liked Weasels old approach with the strange squiggles. I really like the new one with the ghost effect. I also really like the last panel on page two. I never noticed the eggbreakers in the background before! |
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magnusr
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"Jim Shooter himself approved continuity corrections in Harbinger issues #0 - 7 that allows the hardcover collection to present the origin story more cohesively than it originally appeared in 1992."
This got my attention (even more than before, that is)
Some interesting technical info as well.
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magnusr
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| acc205 wrote: | | I never liked Weasels old approach with the strange squiggles. |
It's like the strobe effect you get in real life when something's too quick.
| Quote: | | I also really like the last panel on page two. I never noticed the eggbreakers in the background before! |
I totally agree that the new coloring does a better job of bringing out the eggbreakers, who are an important part of that panel.
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greg
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| magnusr wrote: | | I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version. |
I just realized that Weasel's arrival and exit are on page three.
How far did Pete throw her?   |
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Another thing to consider is paper stock my old copy of the Harbinger trade paper back is printed on slightly better paper stock (I call it Baxter paper for some weird reason) than most comics being published in single issue form in 90's were.
Almost all the hardcovers hell even most of the trades and a lot single issues are printed on the thick glossy paper now of days.
I would assume is how this new Harbinger hardcover would be printed on the thick glossy paper stock and not the Baxter paper that the
old tpbs back in the 90s were.
IMHO I don't think that the old colors would look as good as they on that thick glossy paper, than they did on the old Baxter paper. |
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leonmallett
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| Cyberstrike wrote: | Another thing to consider is paper stock my old copy of the Harbinger trade paper back is printed on slightly better paper stock (I call it Baxter paper for some weird reason) than most comics being published in single issue form in 90's were.
Almost all the hardcovers hell even most of the trades and a lot single issues are printed on the thick glossy paper now of days.
I would assume is how this new Harbinger hardcover would be printed on the thick glossy paper stock and not the Baxter paper that the
old tpbs back in the 90s were.
IMHO I don't think that the old colors would look as good as they on that thick glossy paper, than they did on the old Baxter paper. |
When did Baxter books stop? There was the second titans book and this was followed by the second LoSh book on premium paper, but then we got the glossy stuff in the 90's. What happened? |
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Crap, no crossovers with Star Wars. |
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Chiclo
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A Jedi sees Pete getting someone to do something by speaking commands to him and mistakes it for a Jedi Mind Trick...
Set it pre-Phantom Menace. They think he might be the one who is foretold to bring balance to the force... |
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| Chiclo wrote: |
A Jedi sees Pete getting someone to do something by speaking commands to him and mistakes it for a Jedi Mind Trick...
Set it pre-Phantom Menace. They think he might be the one who is foretold to bring balance to the force... |
Oy...
Btw, Anakin did bring balance to the force. He killed everyone and then had two kids, a Sith (Luke) and a Jedi (Leia)... perfect balance. |
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Chiclo
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That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!
Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!
It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO! |
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| Chiclo wrote: | That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!
Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!
It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO! |
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Dr. Solar
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| Chiclo wrote: | That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!
Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!
It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO! |
I just got a little flushed reading that and had to sit down. |
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| Some of the new coloring seems to look better than others. I'll have to wait on the finished product to fully comment. |
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| manningfan wrote: | | Some of the new coloring seems to look better than others. I'll have to wait on the finished product to fully comment. |
Same here. I will agree with Magnus about page three though. |
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| Though I don't have a problem with the old issues, this TPB looks real nice. It's an easy way for me to and 8 issues I don't currently have. Here's hoping we get more of these. Especially Pre-Unity. Hint.. Hint.. |
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| schi0249 wrote: | | Though I don't have a problem with the old issues, this TPB looks real nice. It's an easy way for me to and 8 issues I don't currently have. Here's hoping we get more of these. Especially Pre-Unity. Hint.. Hint.. |
Nine... nine issues
0-7 and the new one |
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| leonmallett wrote: | | When did Baxter books stop? There was the second titans book and this was followed by the second LoSh book on premium paper, but then we got the glossy stuff in the 90's. What happened? |
Somewhere in between, DC switched to "New Format" books, too. Remember those? |
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