Poll to settle the Alien v DMG debate!

[Ryan]

Are two completely separate companies really the same company even though they're clearly not? Was Alien who didn't publish Valiant books at the time responsible for DMG screwing up? All I'm gonna say is this thread has big "Why wasn't Obama in the White House on 9/11?" energy.

Except its a false argument because 0 people have said 'they're the same company'.

The real argument was about the (lack of) quality of Alien comics vs the (lack of) quality of DMG comics. But since people didn't want to honestly engage in that discussion, either because they like them but can't defend them or they just don't read them but want to promote them anyway, they shift the argument to something that it was never about. And here we are.

[ManofTheAtom]

Except its a false argument because 0 people have said 'they're the same company'.

When I said that they are not the same company the fool I blocked told me I'm insane and you said that there is no truth to the claim that they are separate entities. So at least two people argued that they are the same.

[ManofTheAtom]

They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm going to reiterate what I've said before.

The discussion that was taking place at the time between the fool I blocked and me had to do CORPORATE ownership, and the fact that Alien and DMG are TWO different companies.

What Ryan added to it had to do with Alien continuing the fictional narrative of the VALIANT Universe from where DMG left off by not rebooting and by hiring Hawkins as editor, hence his calling it "DMG 2.0."

Those are TWO entirely DIFFERENT discussions, but Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company exacerbated the issue.

It took a LONG time for Ryan to relent and accept this, but here we are again, with him denying ever stating that they are the same.

[Ryan]

Those are TWO entirely DIFFERENT discussions, but Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company exacerbated the issue.

Never once have I thought or said that.

You're delusional bro, no one wants to talk about this. Just talk about the comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

Those are TWO entirely DIFFERENT discussions, but Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company exacerbated the issue.

Never once have I thought or said that.

You're delusional bro, no one wants to talk about this. Just talk about the comics.

When I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) and remarked, once again, that Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups and that they weren't around when they happened because they had only recently become involved with publishing VALIANT comics, you responded to me that there is no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

So, here we are once again with you backtracking your words.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.
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[Ryan]

Those are TWO entirely DIFFERENT discussions, but Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company exacerbated the issue.

Never once have I thought or said that.

You're delusional bro, no one wants to talk about this. Just talk about the comics.

When I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) and remarked, once again, that Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups and that they weren't around when they happened because they had only recently become involved with publishing VALIANT comics, you responded to me that there is no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

So, here we are once again with you backtracking your words.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.
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That is not the same thing as saying "they are the same company". I've never said that or thought that, so please stop saying that I 'continually argue they are the same company".

Since you're having trouble grasping the difference between an opinion that 'they aren't completely separate entities' and 'they are the same company' here's an example:

Imagine if instead of VH2, Acclaim had licensed the Valiant characters out to a company called Future Comics. Future Comics then hires Bob Layton as EiC and continues the same continuity as VH1.

A reader could then have the valid opinion that "Future Comics is like VH1 2.0". Or "Future Comics and VH1 aren't completely separate entities" (EiC, continuity, style of comics would be similar). Publishing entities.

No sane person would then conclude that "you're saying Acclaim and Future Comics are the same company".

Get a grip man. Talk about the comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

Those are TWO entirely DIFFERENT discussions, but Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company exacerbated the issue.

Never once have I thought or said that.

You're delusional bro, no one wants to talk about this. Just talk about the comics.

When I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) and remarked, once again, that Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups and that they weren't around when they happened because they had only recently become involved with publishing VALIANT comics, you responded to me that there is no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

So, here we are once again with you backtracking your words.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.
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That is not the same thing as saying "they are the same company". I've never said that or thought that, so please stop saying that I 'continually argue they are the same company".

Since you're having trouble grasping the difference between an opinion that 'they aren't completely separate entities' and 'they are the same company' here's an example:

Imagine if instead of VH2, Acclaim had licensed the Valiant characters out to a company called Future Comics. Future Comics then hires Bob Layton as EiC and continues the same continuity as VH1.

A reader could then have the valid opinion that "Future Comics is like VH1 2.0". Or "Future Comics and VH1 aren't completely separate entities" (EiC, continuity, style of comics would be similar). Publishing entities.

No sane person would then conclude that "you're saying Acclaim and Future Comics are the same company".

Get a grip man. Talk about the comics.

Once again, context matters.

When I said that they are NOT the same company, the fool I blocked called me crazy and you said I was lying ("there is no truth to the claim").

You are arguing one thing that had NOTHING to do with the argument that was taking place.

You are focused on Alien Books continuing the fictional narrative of the VALIANT Universe from where DMG left off, while the discussion at the time had to do with CORPORATE ownership and whether or not Alien was liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter..

You accused me of lying when I said that they are not the same company, period.

[Ryan]

Once again, context matters.

When I said that they are NOT the same company, the fool I blocked called me crazy and you said I was lying ("there is no truth to the claim").

You are arguing one thing that had NOTHING to do with the argument that was taking place.

You are focused on Alien Books continuing the fictional narrative of the VALIANT Universe from where DMG left off, while the discussion at the time had to do with CORPORATE ownership and whether or not Alien was liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter..

You accused me of lying when I said that they are not the same company, period.

I stand by the statement "There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

Publishing entities. From the perspective of a reader who reads the comics. Many on here (you included) made it seem like Alien would be completely different, a whole new direction. That proved to be wrong IMO.

I have never said or thought that "DMG and Alien are the same company".

All I'm asking is you stop misquoting me, e.g. "Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company". That's total BS.

[ManofTheAtom]

Once again, context matters.

When I said that they are NOT the same company, the fool I blocked called me crazy and you said I was lying ("there is no truth to the claim").

You are arguing one thing that had NOTHING to do with the argument that was taking place.

You are focused on Alien Books continuing the fictional narrative of the VALIANT Universe from where DMG left off, while the discussion at the time had to do with CORPORATE ownership and whether or not Alien was liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter..

You accused me of lying when I said that they are not the same company, period.

I stand by the statement "There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

Publishing entities. From the perspective of a reader who reads the comics. Many on here (you included) made it seem like Alien would be completely different, a whole new direction. That proved to be wrong IMO.

I have never said or thought that "DMG and Alien are the same company".

All I'm asking is you stop misquoting me, e.g. "Ryan continually arguing that they are in fact the same company". That's total BS.

You said it in response to me telling the fool that I would not indulge his lunacy that they are the same company.

You inserted an argument about the fictional narratives into a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is liable for DMG *SQUEE* up the Kickstarter and used it to claim that they are the same entity.

These are two SEPARATE discussions, which you refuse to accept. You are continually arguing that they are the same. You just did it again.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

[Ryan]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

That doesn't make them the same corporate entity and doesn't make Alien liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter.

[Ryan]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

That doesn't make them the same corporate entity and doesn't make Alien liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter.

See this is where I don't see the connection. Who is making the argument that "they are the same corporate entity and they're liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter"?

I've never made either of those arguments.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

That doesn't make them the same corporate entity and doesn't make Alien liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter.

See this is where I don't see the connection. Who is making the argument that "they are the same corporate entity and they're liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter"?

I've never made either of those arguments.

Ryan, when I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) you responded that there is no truth to the claim (MY claim) that they are separate entities.

One more time, in the context of the discussion that was taking place the argument revolved around whether or not Alien and DMG are separate companies. YOUR contribution to that discussion was to DISAGREE with me when I said that they are not.

[Ryan]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

That doesn't make them the same corporate entity and doesn't make Alien liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter.

See this is where I don't see the connection. Who is making the argument that "they are the same corporate entity and they're liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter"?

I've never made either of those arguments.

Ryan, when I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) you responded that there is no truth to the claim (MY claim) that they are separate entities.

One more time, in the context of the discussion that was taking place the argument revolved around whether or not Alien and DMG are separate companies. YOUR contribution to that discussion was to DISAGREE with me when I said that they are not.

LOL let it go dude. In the context of THIS discussion I'm telling you my position EXACTLY and CLEARLY and you understand it. Ok, so you misinterpreted what I said 2 weeks ago because of the 'context'. What does that have to do with the discussion now?

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm going to say this again, if Alien had rebooted and hired someone other than Hawkins as editor your argument that they are not separate entities would have never been made.

Exactly.

Just like I would never argue that VH2 and post-BQ VH1 are similar entities, even though they were both owned by Acclaim. Different Editor in Chiefs, different continuities, completely different versions of the characters, different look and feel, different quality.

Alien and DMG - Same lead editor, same continuity, similar quality. For me, as a reader, that makes them not 'completely separate entities'. It's my opinion from reading the material, feel free to disagree, but argue based on examples from the comics.

That doesn't make them the same corporate entity and doesn't make Alien liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter.

See this is where I don't see the connection. Who is making the argument that "they are the same corporate entity and they're liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups with the Kickstarter"?

I've never made either of those arguments.

Ryan, when I told the fool that I wasn't going to indulge his lunacy of blaming one company (Alien) for the failings of another (DMG) you responded that there is no truth to the claim (MY claim) that they are separate entities.

One more time, in the context of the discussion that was taking place the argument revolved around whether or not Alien and DMG are separate companies. YOUR contribution to that discussion was to DISAGREE with me when I said that they are not.

LOL let it go dude. In the context of THIS discussion I'm telling you my position EXACTLY and CLEARLY and you understand it. Ok, so you misinterpreted what I said 2 weeks ago because of the 'context'. What does that have to do with the discussion now?

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

[Ryan]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

[Ryan]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

Why is someone having an opinion you don't agree with a fiasco? What do you know about comic book business models?

Oh I get it. I remember you saying that Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe. Is that what this is all about? Your desire for Alien to be Marvel-lite?

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

Why is someone having an opinion you don't agree with a fiasco? What do you know about comic book business models?

Oh I get it. I remember you saying that Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe. Is that what this is all about? Your desire for Alien to be Marvel-lite?

This is not about opinions. Alien and DMG being different companies is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You put forth that there is no truth to that claim and now are trying to backtrack from ever saying it.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

[Ryan]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

Why is someone having an opinion you don't agree with a fiasco? What do you know about comic book business models?

Oh I get it. I remember you saying that Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe. Is that what this is all about? Your desire for Alien to be Marvel-lite?

This is not about opinions. Alien and DMG being different companies is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You put forth that there is no truth to that claim and now are trying to backtrack from ever saying it.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

You said Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe, now you're backtracking. Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

[ManofTheAtom]

I didn't misinterpret anything; when I said I wasn't going to indulge the fool's lunatic belief that Alien and DMG are the same company you responded to me that there is no truth to what I was saying.

What makes it relevant to THIS discussion is that it disproves your claim that no one ever said they were. You and the fool did.

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

Why is someone having an opinion you don't agree with a fiasco? What do you know about comic book business models?

Oh I get it. I remember you saying that Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe. Is that what this is all about? Your desire for Alien to be Marvel-lite?

This is not about opinions. Alien and DMG being different companies is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You put forth that there is no truth to that claim and now are trying to backtrack from ever saying it.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

You said Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe, now you're backtracking. Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Ryan, that's just you continuing an ad hominem attack because you cannot disprove the argument that Alien and DMG are different companies.

This all started because that fool said I was insane for saying it and you claimed that they are the same entity. At many points you've conceded your mistake, but today for some reason you're now denying ever saying it in the first place. What has that gained you?

[Ryan]

LOL thanks for the laugh

Ryan, no one here is making jokes.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool told me I'm crazy and you called me a liar. Now you're trying to backtrack that by claiming that no one ever said they were.

You and he did, period. That is what started this fiasco, nothing else.

Why is someone having an opinion you don't agree with a fiasco? What do you know about comic book business models?

Oh I get it. I remember you saying that Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe. Is that what this is all about? Your desire for Alien to be Marvel-lite?

This is not about opinions. Alien and DMG being different companies is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You put forth that there is no truth to that claim and now are trying to backtrack from ever saying it.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

You said Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe, now you're backtracking. Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Ryan, that's just you continuing an ad hominem attack because you cannot disprove the argument that Alien and DMG are different companies.

This all started because that fool said I was insane for saying it and you claimed that they are the same entity. At many points you've conceded your mistake, but today for some reason you're now denying ever saying it in the first place. What has that gained you?

Admit that Iron Man and X-O aren't in the same universe, or we can't move forward with this discussion.

[ManofTheAtom]

Admit that Iron Man and X-O aren't in the same universe, or we can't move forward with this discussion.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine you're bringing up something that was said a while ago that, clearly, stayed with you.

Either way, I don't address ad hominem attacks.