Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[Ryan]

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

You post every single press release from Alien/DMG on this board and yet you don't bother to read a single one of their comics. That's a shill.

[ManofTheAtom]

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

You post every single press release from Alien/DMG on this board and yet you don't bother to read a single one of their comics. That's a shill.

I'm posting news about upcoming VALIANT comics on a VALIANT msg board.

[Ryan]

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

You post every single press release from Alien/DMG on this board and yet you don't bother to read a single one of their comics. That's a shill.

I'm posting news about upcoming VALIANT comics on a VALIANT msg board.

But you don't read VALIANT comics so why bother

[ManofTheAtom]

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

You post every single press release from Alien/DMG on this board and yet you don't bother to read a single one of their comics. That's a shill.

I'm posting news about upcoming VALIANT comics on a VALIANT msg board.

But you don't read VALIANT comics so why bother

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

[Ryan]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

[ManofTheAtom]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

[Ryan]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

So you're only basing your judgment on how the people on here react and what you can glean about the plot from reviews? Why not just read them?

The idea that a comic book line that's published over 20 full length comics and concluded can't be judged in any way yet is silly.

[ManofTheAtom]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

So you're only basing your judgment on how the people on here react and what you can glean about the plot from reviews? Why not just read them?

The idea that a comic book line that's published over 20 full length comics and concluded can't be judged in any way yet is silly.

Because it's not just 20 comics, it's all the comics that came after Starlinverse where I left off plus those 20+ comics.

[syzhang28]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

I want to catch up from where I left off, but haven't had the time to do it.

If you have time to post on Valiant comics message board, you have time to read ONE Alien-Valiant comic. I can't imagine how these new comics are so important to you, but somehow not important enough to carve out 5 minutes to read one. Literally, they aren't long reads.

Because they aren't important to him. He's just an internet troll or a wannabe writer. Those are the two types of people that argue all day on the internet but don't actually do any reading.

[syzhang28]

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

Read the comics, have an opinion. People are entitled to have their opinions on this board. If you disagree, read the comics and dispute their opinions with facts from READING THE COMICS.

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

lol, just read a damn comic man. What's the big deal here?

[syzhang28]

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

You post every single press release from Alien/DMG on this board and yet you don't bother to read a single one of their comics. That's a shill.

I'm posting news about upcoming VALIANT comics on a VALIANT msg board.

But you don't read VALIANT comics so why bother

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Literally laughed out loud at this. I'm starting to think Ryan is right. I hope you're at least getting paid by Alien to shill.

[Ryan]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

So you're only basing your judgment on how the people on here react and what you can glean about the plot from reviews? Why not just read them?

The idea that a comic book line that's published over 20 full length comics and concluded can't be judged in any way yet is silly.

Because it's not just 20 comics, it's all the comics that came after Starlinverse where I left off plus those 20+ comics.

That sounds like your own completionist OCD. Most people can just pick up a comic that costs $5-10, read it, and decide what they thought about it.

If a comic book requires reading 7 years of back issues to be good, then its not good.

How are you going to judge Resurgence if you need to get 7 years of back issues in order to read it? Sounds like you're going to just have to base your opinion on what others are saying.

[Ryan]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

I want to catch up from where I left off, but haven't had the time to do it.

If you have time to post on Valiant comics message board, you have time to read ONE Alien-Valiant comic. I can't imagine how these new comics are so important to you, but somehow not important enough to carve out 5 minutes to read one. Literally, they aren't long reads.

Because they aren't important to him. He's just an internet troll or a wannabe writer. Those are the two types of people that argue all day on the internet but don't actually do any reading.

Think you hit the nail on the head there.

[syzhang28]

If a comic book requires reading 7 years of back issues to be good, then its not good.

strong agree. comics that are just about other comics are not good comics. VH1 and VEI both knew that.

[ManofTheAtom]

It's not for my benefit, it's for the benefit of others to keep them informed on what's coming out.

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

So you're only basing your judgment on how the people on here react and what you can glean about the plot from reviews? Why not just read them?

The idea that a comic book line that's published over 20 full length comics and concluded can't be judged in any way yet is silly.

Because it's not just 20 comics, it's all the comics that came after Starlinverse where I left off plus those 20+ comics.

That sounds like your own completionist OCD. Most people can just pick up a comic that costs $5-10, read it, and decide what they thought about it.

If a comic book requires reading 7 years of back issues to be good, then its not good.

How are you going to judge Resurgence if you need to get 7 years of back issues in order to read it? Sounds like you're going to just have to base your opinion on what others are saying.

Where the characters are now is not where they were when Stalinverse ended. In order to understand the current status quo it is important to read what came before.

Back then Jack was Magpie or somesuch, chained by Darque.

[ManofTheAtom]

Ryan, you asked me to come back to the board, but if all you and that imbecile I put on ignore are going to do is insult me I don't see much point sticking around.

You're the ones who wasted time arguing that Alien and DMG are the same company because one hired the other's staff and the comics they publish continue the same narrative threads even though in the real world one has nothing to do with the other.

They are owned by different people, they were created in different countries, etc.

The shared staff and continuity between comics does not make them the same, yet you two keep insisting that they are for reasons only you comprehend.

If Alien didn't publish VALIANT comics, it would still exist.

[syzhang28]

Yeah that's a totally normal thing to do. I love going to message boards of comic book lines I don't read and posting press releases just to keep their fans informed

The fact remains that now Alien has released over 20 comics we're able to see with our own eyes that they aren't a radical departure at all from what 'DMG' had been putting out before. If anything, the main difference is that they're using lesser-known artists.

So if you liked '50%' of DMG like ferg, you might find something to like in Alien. If you thought DMG comics were a bunch of 'F-ups', then there's nothing that Alien has done that would change that.

I'm reserving judgement until after Resurgence concludes.

So you're only basing your judgment on how the people on here react and what you can glean about the plot from reviews? Why not just read them?

The idea that a comic book line that's published over 20 full length comics and concluded can't be judged in any way yet is silly.

Because it's not just 20 comics, it's all the comics that came after Starlinverse where I left off plus those 20+ comics.

That sounds like your own completionist OCD. Most people can just pick up a comic that costs $5-10, read it, and decide what they thought about it.

If a comic book requires reading 7 years of back issues to be good, then its not good.

How are you going to judge Resurgence if you need to get 7 years of back issues in order to read it? Sounds like you're going to just have to base your opinion on what others are saying.

Where the characters are now is not where they were when Stalinverse ended. In order to understand the current status quo it is important to read what came before.

Back then Jack was Magpie or somesuch, chained by Darque.

dude, they threw all that away, defiled it or ignored it. Reading it all is not going to give you a clear progression of character or plot. They didn't build that. They stumbled around making poor choices and now we're here. You 100% can pick up a comic. Frankly, even if they did do all that, you should be able to just pick up a comic and read, if that comic is good.

[ManofTheAtom]

syzhang28, I'm never going to see what you whine about, so you can stop quoting me.

[syzhang28]

Ryan, you asked me to come back to the board, but if all you and that imbecile I put on ignore are going to do is insult me I don't see much point sticking around.

You're the ones who wasted time arguing that Alien and DMG are the same company because one hired the other's staff and the comics they publish continue the same narrative threads even though in the real world one has nothing to do with the other.

They are owned by different people, they were created in different countries, etc.

The shared staff and continuity between comics does not make them the same, yet you two keep insisting that they are for reasons only you comprehend.

If Alien didn't publish VALIANT comics, it would still exist.

If DMG didn't want to publish Valiant comics then it wouldn't, no matter what alien wants. Hence...same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

syzhang28, I'm never going to see what you whine about, so you can stop quoting me.

[syzhang28]

syzhang28, I'm never going to see what you whine about, so you can stop quoting me.

nah. I'm gonna do me. You do you.

[Ryan]

Ryan, you asked me to come back to the board, but if all you and that imbecile I put on ignore are going to do is insult me I don't see much point sticking around.

You're the ones who wasted time arguing that Alien and DMG are the same company because one hired the other's staff and the comics they publish continue the same narrative threads even though in the real world one has nothing to do with the other.

They are owned by different people, they were created in different countries, etc.

The shared staff and continuity between comics does not make them the same, yet you two keep insisting that they are for reasons only you comprehend.

If Alien didn't publish VALIANT comics, it would still exist.

Insulting is not the intention. We all have different opinions on this board and argue at times, people shouldn't take it personally. I just think people should post their honest opinions and not represent an opinion based on a hidden agenda. That's dishonest.

If you just like the people at Alien because you think they're nice people and you want to work with them, then just say that.

Don't make up weird viewpoints to argue just because you think you need to defend them from all criticism on this board. That's phony and disrespectful to the people on this board.

[Ryan]

dude, they threw all that away, defiled it or ignored it. Reading it all is not going to give you a clear progression of character or plot. They didn't build that. They stumbled around making poor choices and now we're here. You 100% can pick up a comic. Frankly, even if they did do all that, you should be able to just pick up a comic and read, if that comic is good.

You should at least read this one, because it's spot on and very relevant to the discussion.

[Ryan]

Again, criticism of the comics is not personal criticism of the people involved.

The fans on this board have every right to have critical opinions and standards for the comics they buy. The fans are the ones have invested the time, money, and interest to keep these characters alive enough that there are actual paying jobs for the people at Alien.

Just like when someone goes to see a movie, they have every right to have an opinion if it was worth their 2 hours and $15. That's the entertainment business.

[ManofTheAtom]

Ryan, you asked me to come back to the board, but if all you and that imbecile I put on ignore are going to do is insult me I don't see much point sticking around.

You're the ones who wasted time arguing that Alien and DMG are the same company because one hired the other's staff and the comics they publish continue the same narrative threads even though in the real world one has nothing to do with the other.

They are owned by different people, they were created in different countries, etc.

The shared staff and continuity between comics does not make them the same, yet you two keep insisting that they are for reasons only you comprehend.

If Alien didn't publish VALIANT comics, it would still exist.

Insulting is not the intention. We all have different opinions on this board and argue at times, people shouldn't take it personally. I just think people should post their honest opinions and not represent an opinion based on a hidden agenda. That's dishonest.

If you just like the people at Alien because you think they're nice people and you want to work with them, then just say that.

Don't make up weird viewpoints to argue just because you think you need to defend them from all criticism on this board. That's phony and disrespectful to the people on this board.

What's his name has spent the last two days doing nothing more than insulting me for saying that Alien and DMG are two different companies, a fact that in the real world is not that difficult to understand.

Firstly, I never brought up wanting to work for Alien. That's what that imbecile said.

Secondly, all I've done is insist that people judge Alien for what they do, not for DMG's *SQUEE*.

DMG is the one that *SQUEE* up the KS, not Alien, yet for months prior to the launch of their first comic all people would do is continue to hold them accountable for an entirely different company's *SQUEE* up.