Resurgence of the VALIANT Universe

[Ryan]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

Intention, absolutely. Means, not at present.

I just mean all of the debates and arguments that have been had on this forum in recent months/years, me and I assume the others debating (syzhang, chiclo, vdude, etc.) are just debating from our honest opinions about the comics coming out.

It's not an honest debate if you're never going to actually read or evaluate the material from your own opinion/perspective. You have really interesting opinions and you're a smart dude, so all we would hope is that we're all debating and sharing our honest opinions, instead of some people debating with ulterior motives like trying to sell a product that even they wouldn't buy/consume.

I hope you get where I'm coming from, not trying to be a d!ck, I just think of the people on here as friends and friends have to be honest with each other.

[ManofTheAtom]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

Intention, absolutely. Means, not at present.

I just mean all of the debates and arguments that have been had on this forum in recent months/years, me and I assume the others debating (syzhang, chiclo, vdude, etc.) are just debating from our honest opinions about the comics coming out.

It's not an honest debate if you're never going to actually read or evaluate the material from your own opinion/perspective. You have really interesting opinions and you're a smart dude, so all we would hope is that we're all debating and sharing our honest opinions, instead of some people debating with ulterior motives like trying to sell a product that even they wouldn't buy/consume.

I hope you get where I'm coming from, not trying to be a d!ck, I just think of the people on here as friends and friends have to be honest with each other.

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

[Dallow Spicer1]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

Intention, absolutely. Means, not at present.

I just mean all of the debates and arguments that have been had on this forum in recent months/years, me and I assume the others debating (syzhang, chiclo, vdude, etc.) are just debating from our honest opinions about the comics coming out.

It's not an honest debate if you're never going to actually read or evaluate the material from your own opinion/perspective. You have really interesting opinions and you're a smart dude, so all we would hope is that we're all debating and sharing our honest opinions, instead of some people debating with ulterior motives like trying to sell a product that even they wouldn't buy/consume.

I hope you get where I'm coming from, not trying to be a d!ck, I just think of the people on here as friends and friends have to be honest with each other.

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

That’s fair enough. I’m glad you’re still involved in the forum even if you’re not in a place to the books. When you think about it $5 a book is a crazy luxury.

I’m willing Alien to turn things around. When they do a good thing then we should say so and support it, equally we need to let them know when they’re off base.

[ManofTheAtom]

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

So you've been the top cheerleader and defender of all things Alien/Valiant on this forum, and yet you have no intention of ever buying or reading the books yourself. That seems deceptive somehow

Intention, absolutely. Means, not at present.

I just mean all of the debates and arguments that have been had on this forum in recent months/years, me and I assume the others debating (syzhang, chiclo, vdude, etc.) are just debating from our honest opinions about the comics coming out.

It's not an honest debate if you're never going to actually read or evaluate the material from your own opinion/perspective. You have really interesting opinions and you're a smart dude, so all we would hope is that we're all debating and sharing our honest opinions, instead of some people debating with ulterior motives like trying to sell a product that even they wouldn't buy/consume.

I hope you get where I'm coming from, not trying to be a d!ck, I just think of the people on here as friends and friends have to be honest with each other.

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

That’s fair enough. I’m glad you’re still involved in the forum even if you’re not in a place to the books. When you think about it $5 a book is a crazy luxury.

I’m willing Alien to turn things around. When they do a good thing then we should say so and support it, equally we need to let them know when they’re off base.

Absolutely.

I will say that I am a bit troubled by the notion that they're using Silk to do a reboot.

I was one of the loudest voices here that said I didn't want Dinesh/VEI to do one but instead pick up from where VH 1 left off however many years had passed since X-O Manowar #68.

But, now, it's too late for that. VEI has lasted LONGER than VEI did, so that is what Alien should stick with.

While part of me does think that it's a bit doubtful that Alien has the control to do a reboot since they're merely licensing the characters, that is what the description of Resurgence makes it sound they're doing.

Based on what we've been told, part of me does think we might see some sort of reboot that restores part of VH 1, maybe even in the style of VH 2's intended '99 event which would have seen a mixture of VH 1 and VH 2 characters, though this time it would be VH 1 and VEI characters.

Not sure. I'm probably very wrong and it's just misdirection. Maybe, unlike when DC does such events, this time the heroes will win and there will be zero repercussions from the villain's attempt to rewrite the universe...

[Ryan]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

[ManofTheAtom]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

But I haven't participated in any discussion about the content of the comics.

[Ryan]

That’s fair enough. I’m glad you’re still involved in the forum even if you’re not in a place to the books. When you think about it $5 a book is a crazy luxury.

I’m willing Alien to turn things around. When they do a good thing then we should say so and support it, equally we need to let them know when they’re off base.

Totally, that's what everyone is doing, sharing their opinion on the comics. Some may love them, some may hate them, but this forum is for the fans to express that honestly.

I'm also glad MOTA is involved in the forum, and hope he always continues. Just want to see his real opinion on the comics, hopefully he'll get some of them soon.

[Ryan]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

But I haven't participated in any discussion about the content of the comics.

What is this topic about? Hyping the upcoming releases of a line you're not reading.

[ManofTheAtom]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

But I haven't participated in any discussion about the content of the comics.

What is this topic about? Hyping the upcoming releases of a line you're not reading.

But I'm not discussing the content. My point is giving Alien a chance, not discarding them because of DMG's screw ups.

[Ryan]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

But I haven't participated in any discussion about the content of the comics.

What is this topic about? Hyping the upcoming releases of a line you're not reading.

But I'm not discussing the content. My point is giving Alien a chance, not discarding them because of DMG's screw ups.

Cool, well there's plenty of books out now so everyone is giving them a chance based on the content of the books. That's where the discussion is now.

[ManofTheAtom]

I would, and intend to, buy it when it's something I can afford to do.

Notice that I haven't tried to sell anyone on any actual content, just made a case for giving Alien a chance rather than outright trash them based on what DMG did or for not being Dinesh.

Cool, I understand that. Just like I don't have the means to buy the new DC/Milestone relaunch. So I wouldn't go onto a Milestone forum and try to hype it to people without reading it. It just comes off as having ulterior motives, and not engaging in an honest debate like everyone else on the forum is trying to do.

But I haven't participated in any discussion about the content of the comics.

What is this topic about? Hyping the upcoming releases of a line you're not reading.

But I'm not discussing the content. My point is giving Alien a chance, not discarding them because of DMG's screw ups.

Cool, well there's plenty of books out now so everyone is giving them a chance based on the content of the books. That's where the discussion is now.

Cool.

[Bl00dsh0t]

I'm only three issues in (Faith, Valiant, and XO) to this and I'm really enjoying the stories so fall. There's definitely a connected feeling to the broader Valiant universe so far and I honestly think the art and first issues of those three comics I mentioned are pretty good. I was all in on Valiant back in 2012 from Bloodshot #1 all the way to the DMG debacle, this feels different now and I can't wait to read more of my favorite characters.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm only three issues in (Faith, Valiant, and XO) to this and I'm really enjoying the stories so fall. There's definitely a connected feeling to the broader Valiant universe so far and I honestly think the art and first issues of those three comics I mentioned are pretty good. I was all in on Valiant back in 2012 from Bloodshot #1 all the way to the DMG debacle, this feels different now and I can't wait to read more of my favorite characters.

Very cool.

[Cyberstrike]

1. Faith Returns: Didn’t read
2. Rai: Book of the Darque: Very good
3. Brittania: Great Fire of Rome:Very good
4. Livewire & Secret Weapons: Mediocre
5. Bloodshot Reloaded Unleashed: Nope
6. The Valiants: Ok first issue, hope it improves
7. XO Invictus: Decent, worth reading
8. Punk Mambo: Didn’t read

The good:
- Return to continuity
- Better than DMG
- Paper stock
- Good intentions

The not so good:
- Whoever is making decisions on hiring talent and which characters to release books on doesn’t understand what the fans are after. It’s too hit and miss.
- Why are fans asked to pay $13.99 for one shots by creators we’ve never heard of about B level characters (Livewire & the secret weapons)?
- $4.99 books.
- manga style art on the faces make the characters look generic

Going forwards I’d like to see $13.99 one shots only if there’s a top creator on an A level character. I doubt there’s money for A level creators so let’s give fans a chance to see if they like issue #1 at a standard price rather than having to commit to $13.99.
Reduce the price for individual issues to $3.99 and reduce the paper stock quality. For example, Void Rivals (image) is perfectly acceptable paper quality.
Most importantly, change whoever is making creative decisions. Ninjak was terrible, Bloodshot poor, Livewire is a supporting character not worth an expensive one shot, Punk Mambo is a supporting character not worth a one shot and is there still a market for Faith?

It’s not all doom and gloom but more consistency needed.

Steven Grant has been doing comics for decades. He's hardly someone no one has never heard of.

Is he well known enough to splash $13.99 down on? If you read Livewire and the Secret Weapons then was is worth the money?

The cost is high, no doubt. I do wish Alien's comics were more affordable.

I haven't read it, unfortunately. Haven't had the time or means to get back into comics lately, other than working on making my own.

Unless the page count is at 100 pages of story and art at a bare minimum the $13.99 price tag is a possible self-inflicted wound that could be lethal. While Steven Grant is a writer of some renown, but he's not what I could call a "big name" or "legendary" talent.

[ManofTheAtom]

Unless the page count is at 100 pages of story and art at a bare minimum the $13.99 price tag is a possible self-inflicted wound that could be lethal. While Steven Grant is a writer of some renown, but he's not what I could call a "big name" or "legendary" talent.

Indeed.