Valiant Summit 2016 Discussion Thread

[agent_graves]

Generation Zero!!!

[Elveen]

I like the t shirt.

[ShadowTuga]

In spoilers so I won't bother anyone. Mind you... this is MY opinion. You have yours. If they are different, cool. Different strokes.
Disappointing all around.

Faith does not appeal to me. This character works best when it is immersed in seriou stuff and broken people. Apparently, she is also now the Wolverine of VEIalong with Ninja-K. 2 ongoings IS A BIT TOO MUCH when you have 10 titles tops.

Could not care less for Gen Zero ongoing (teen psiots for hire?), but it's FVL. Will, at least, try,

Bloodshot U.S.A makes me giggle for it's silly title, but the story might be cool and bring more readers. Curious about it, but *SQUEE*, that title is horrible, no offense to the US of A. Or our beloved Bloodshot.

Renegades. This better be the mother of all surprises. "I DON'T WANT" anybody else to write these characters, specially a writer that so far only gave us comedic stuff. We'll see, but I'm honestly fearing the worst. And 2 ongoings with a group of teenage psiots.

Britannia has me intrigued. Prob the only thing I really want to read asap. Along with Stalinverse. That seems crazy, in a good way.

Savage is IMHO, pandering to the Turok fans. I have 0 expectations about it. Maybe, it will be a HUGE surprise.

I will still be all-in, but Renegades better wowowowow me. If it sucks I will resent Valiant, i'm sure. Specially, when there's no Dysart in the near future...

[Shadowman99]

'k, my personal take on it all is this:

- Harbinger: Disappointed that Dysart's not put this next Harbinger chapter together, but I'm definitely giving Roberts a fair shot: it'd be wrong to put a bullet in the title before it's been read. Hell, it might be *SQUEE* amazing by the time Roberts wraps it up, who can say?

- Gen 0: Was never as excited by Gen 0 as some, but I'll read the title and hopefully it'll be entertaining.

- Disappointed Shadowman's not back on the scene for at least another 12 months (okay okay, cameo in Stalinverse, so what?)

- Stalinverse: Bit worrying that Kindt wants the Stalinverse to be the *actual* VU. If it's some projection by Divinity that lasts a four-issue run or whatever that's fine I guess, but I don't want this being a long-term thing. How's that going to crossover into the other titles during it's run though, if at all?

- BS:USA: This is 'Reborn' again but with more nanite-infected people to kill isn't it? Crain's cover rocks without a doubt. And as for the 'Hulk' variant - I think it's just Darick Robertson's style, BS doesn't look 'Hulk' to me at all. As much as it annoys me as an 'ongoing' reader that this event isn't canon, it's good that VEI is trying to catch new readers with a standalone series, so all in all I'm for it

- Faith ongoing: Only read the first issue of her mini to date, little to say on this.

- Savage: Interesting concept, obviously heavily Turok-based, but that's okay. That *SQUEE* stupid haircut needs to GO, pronto. Makes his head look deformed.

- Britannia: Disappointed in this one. My guess was on Britannia being some kick-*SQUEE* English female superhero, so hearing that it's actually a Roman-era supernatural detective story was a bit of a letdown because of my preconceptions. I'll read the title, but I'm nowhere near as excited about it as I was prevously.

- Savage and Britannia being 'disconnected' from the rest of the VU: Yep, looks this way. Not a problem for me personally, but it's bound to upset fans that want a 'tighter, more connected' universe.

- Rai: Ongoing after 4001AD amongst this lot?

[Keith]

So was Bloodshot USA originally supposed to be titled Bloodshot War? That was part of the original teases, and I think Warren even slipped and called it Bloodshot War during the summit.

[ShadowTuga]

Bloodshot USA makes me think of Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Just sayin'.

Bloodshot War is a better title.

[bygranddesign]

I share some of your concerns shadowtuga

Will there be enough differentiation between Gen Zero and Renegades?

Although the concept for the Gen Zero series doesn't seem too groundbreaking -- I have faith in FVL.

I'm worried a little about Harbinger: Renegades, mainly because i'm just not familiar with Rafer (haven't read the new A&A yet).

I'm 'OK' with Dysart not being involved in either of those titles as long as I get a Dysart Psi-Lords title. That's the book he should be doing next as that is the next big step in the Harbinger story.

[Keith]

I love that the art from Divinity III we are seeing is so far along. Dinesh has been teasing some of that for awhile, so much so that I just assumed it was from Divinity II! They have these suckers extremely well scheduled!

I don't know, while watching, the camera zoomed in on the art, from what I could see, other than the cover for Divinity lll StalinVerse, all the art was from Divinity ll #2, which comes out next week, and has a scene where, Myshka shows Abram this Future!

Photobucket has been acting up on me today, like it's got a virus or something. But if you can, go ahead and post the pics they released today, it'll be cool for everybody to see. To the point though, either way, it's a win-win for US....

Ahhhhh ... My bad, I thought that art was for Div III. Now I get it, she is showing him the future. Excellent. Next issue of Div II can't come fast enough!!

[bygranddesign]

Britannia is an interesting concept that definitely has me intrigued

But it's not the important new female superhero icon everyone was speculating about

is the new female superhero icon War Mother then?

[ShadowTuga]

I share some of your concerns shadowtuga

Will there be enough differentiation between Gen Zero and Renegades?

Although the concept for the Gen Zero series doesn't seem too groundbreaking -- I have faith in FVL.

I'm worried a little about Harbinger: Renegades, mainly because i'm just not familiar with Rafer (haven't read the new A&A yet).

I'm 'OK' with Dysart not being involved in either of those titles as long as I get a Dysart Psi-Lords title. That's the book he should be doing next as that is the next big step in the Harbinger story.

Now, you get my disappointmet, bro. I have faith in VEI, but "No JD For Me" puts a bitter taste in my mouth when analysing what's coming next.

Like you and I said, one book it's FVL and the other one is by RR, who surprised the s*** out of my head with issue #2. The man can write and he's apparently respectful of what has been before (something that A+A #1 failed completely in doing, IMHO). A case of wait and see.

But yeah, 2 ongoings with teen psiots- this is the X-Men era of Valiant!!!!

[depluto]

I could not be happier with this. A great mix of old and new, then and now ... and the Renegades are back in play. These are great times!

[Donovan]

Looking forward to Savage and Britannia!

Bloodshot USA will be fun too - I was immediately reminded of this 5 year old event from the House of Ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Island" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jeremycoe]

I'm excited for what's to come. As far as disappointment about lack of Dysart, I'm pretty sure that's entirely on Dysart. I'm sure if he wanted to write the new Renegades series he would be writing it.

[Joshua]

Excited for everything. I'm glad they abranching out more and doing more books with new characters. Really looking forward to Gen 0, Brittania and Savage.

[Phoenix8008]

I'm excited for what's to come. As far as disappointment about lack of Dysart, I'm pretty sure that's entirely on Dysart. I'm sure if he wanted to write the new Renegades series he would be writing it.

I remember hearing something not long ago (from an interview with Dysart, or a twitter conversation maybe??) where it sounded like he was taking a bit of a break for awhile, but assured them that he would be back and writing for Valiant again. Someone else posted recently that he was over in Africa or something currently I believe?

I'm also bummed that he's not going to be the voice for the next Harbinger series, but I'm plenty willing to give a shot to Mr. Roberts and see how it goes. In general, I'm excited about all of it, even though I wonder at the disconnected nature of Savage and Brittania. Savage at least is in the present day and could easily get 'rescued' from his dino island to become linked with the rest of the universe. I heard on another site that Brittania is a mini series. Is that the only one of these announced series that is a mini?

[ShadowTuga]

I'm excited for what's to come. As far as disappointment about lack of Dysart, I'm pretty sure that's entirely on Dysart. I'm sure if he wanted to write the new Renegades series he would be writing it.

I remember hearing something not long ago (from an interview with Dysart, or a twitter conversation maybe??) where it sounded like he was taking a bit of a break for awhile, but assured them that he would be back and writing for Valiant again. Someone else posted recently that he was over in Africa or something currently I believe?

I'm also bummed that he's not going to be the voice for the next Harbinger series, but I'm plenty willing to give a shot to Mr. Roberts and see how it goes. In general, I'm excited about all of it, even though I wonder at the disconnected nature of Savage and Brittania. Savage at least is in the present day and could easily get 'rescued' from his dino island to become linked with the rest of the universe. I heard on another site that Brittania is a mini series. Is that the only one of these announced series that is a mini?

They are all minis, except for Renegades and Gen Zero.

EDIT- And Faith but this was well known before.

[Phoenix8008]

I'm excited for what's to come. As far as disappointment about lack of Dysart, I'm pretty sure that's entirely on Dysart. I'm sure if he wanted to write the new Renegades series he would be writing it.

I remember hearing something not long ago (from an interview with Dysart, or a twitter conversation maybe??) where it sounded like he was taking a bit of a break for awhile, but assured them that he would be back and writing for Valiant again. Someone else posted recently that he was over in Africa or something currently I believe?

I'm also bummed that he's not going to be the voice for the next Harbinger series, but I'm plenty willing to give a shot to Mr. Roberts and see how it goes. In general, I'm excited about all of it, even though I wonder at the disconnected nature of Savage and Brittania. Savage at least is in the present day and could easily get 'rescued' from his dino island to become linked with the rest of the universe. I heard on another site that Brittania is a mini series. Is that the only one of these announced series that is a mini?

They are all minis, except for Renegades and Gen Zero.

Ooooookay. And Faith I guess, which we knew was an ongoing. And we knew Divinty III would be a mini. So I can understand Savage being a mini too. Are we for sure that Bloodshot USA is a separate mini instead of just the next arc in Bloodshot Reborn after Bloodshot Island? And if it is a separate mini, does that mean that BSR is ending or are they running them both concurrently?

[Phoenix8008]

Doing detective work, it looks like BS USA starting in October would fit perfectly as the start of the next story arc since solicits show that the August issue is the next to the last issue in the Bloodshot Island arc.

[jeremycoe]

Doing detective work, it looks like BS USA starting in October would fit perfectly as the start of the next story arc since solicits show that the August issue is the next to the last issue in the Bloodshot Island arc.

I asked Warren Simons about this on twitter, but he hasn't responded.

[nonplayer]

Bloodshot USA makes me think of Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Just sayin'.

Bloodshot War is a better title.

I don't agree the term "war" is now over used one more thing that come out with war in the title I'm calling BS and I don't mean Bloodshot. To date We have xo ManOwar, xo war, war mother, eternal warrior, war monger,
Coming up we may have more war in the works. Ww or "world war" gin-gr. War of the brothers,
I'm tired or the word war it's over used.

[nonplayer]

[/quote]
Ooooookay. And Faith I guess, which we knew was an ongoing. And we knew Divinty III would be a mini. So I can understand Savage being a mini too. Are we for sure that Bloodshot USA is a separate mini instead of just the next arc in Bloodshot Reborn after Bloodshot Island? And if it is a separate mini, does that mean that BSR is ending or are they running them both concurrently?[/quote]

Bloodshot Usa was supposed to be the next ark of bloodshot Reborn after the island getaway. It talks about that in the article someone posted. Also they call project rising spirit project rising sun.
I don't like mini's as much I'd prefer to have each comic be one story than always four issue arcs.

[Shadowman99]

Britannia is an interesting concept that definitely has me intrigued

But it's not the important new female superhero icon everyone was speculating about

is the new female superhero icon War Mother then?

War Mother is currently only set for a single one-shot issue, and it sounds as if there aren't any immediate plans for the character beyond the one-shot unless she proves popular with the punters, so my bet is 'probably not'

Also agree that the plot for Gen 0 doesn't sound all that exciting: "Gen 0 integrate with society..." wow, thrilling stuff Well, someone gets kidnapped right off the bat so hopefully that should get sparks flying soon enough

[Bl00dsh0t]

I tend to alternate between being excited and disappointed about these 2016 releases.

I'm not 100% committed to any as yet though they all COULD tempt me.

Was hoping for some Shadowman announcement, Divinity as an ongoing, Dysart on Psi Lord and / Habry. More supernatural stories to fit in with the Darque corner of the Valiant U...

Gen Zero is about 2yrs too late imho. Been waiting since HW and AH. Heat's died off.

[grendeljd]

A very interesting mix of titles to be sure...

I think it goes without saying that Divinty III will be something cool to look forward to.

Personally I'm really happy to see two Psiot based books coming out (I guess it's three if you include Faith's ongoing, but I think that will have a very different vibe to the two 'team' books). I'm a big fan of that corner of the VU. And with Imperium coming to a close, we need something new to represent that facet. I'm pretty disappointed that Josh Dysart isn't going to be writing either of them, but I'm still excited regardless.

Some people have mentioned hoping Dysart will be doing a new PSI-Lords series - that would be utterly amazing and a perfect concept for him to do (especially considering his Fall Of Harbinger story). Add my name to the list of hopeful fans for this.

Gen Zero sounds great to me - I have the utmost confidence in FVL handling that series, especially after reading that newsarama interview with FVL. As for Harbinger: Renegades - I've wanted to see the original Harbinger kids back in action as well, I primarily hope it isn't a bit of a ham-fisted reunion story. I'm not going to pre-judge before it comes out though - Rafer is still relatively unknown, but that simply means we don't know what all he is capable of yet. And saying Renegades is gonna be anything like A+A is like saying JJ Abrams is gonna do a ton of lens flares in Star Wars just because he chose that style for his Star Trek films. Ridiculous. I'm happy to wait & see what Rafer has planned.

Brittania doesn't sound especially interesting on the surface as of yet & Milligan hasn't had a great track record on Valiant properties to date (IMO), but I'll be checking it out regardless with an open mind.

Same goes for Savage. I've never been a fan of Turok, didn't care if the property returned to VEI, and don't have much interest in seeing something that replaces that concept. However, B. Clay Moore is a solid writer and Lewis Larosa is gonna kill it on art duties alongside Clayton Henry, so again I'm happy to give it a chance with an open mind.

The Bloodshot series sounds like more fun action, I'll be along for the ride. Curious to see if it's a replacement title for BS:Reborn or not - it does line up with the end of the Bloodshot Island arc.

[Shadowman99]

Gen Zero is about 2yrs too late imho. Been waiting since HW and AH. Heat's died off.

I agree.

Having already left it so long I suppose the choice Valiant had at this point in time was to either abandon the IP altogether, or simply put the Gen 0 kids out there again one way or another regardless of the time gap. When one needs to keep an IP active there's really only one option I suppose