DC Comics Relaunching Everything In June

[dornwolf]

Official title line up

http://www.comicbookresources.com/artic ... rice-point" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No writer/artist on them though. Gives you an idea on how the universe is set.

Surprised that Earth-2 made it and Batman Beyond

[ShadowTuga]

I like the renumbering on Action and 'Tec.
No creative teams (for the most part) announced makes me fear this a bit. But I give it to them, it's a solid line-up: strong properties, no dead-weights. But again, no creative teams annoucements before March 26th, I think.
Bimonthly sucks. It just sucks.

[dornwolf]

I like the renumbering on Action and 'Tec.
No creative teams (for the most part) announced makes me fear this a bit. But I give it to them, it's a solid line-up: strong properties, no dead-weights. But again, no creative teams annoucements before March 26th, I think.
Bimonthly sucks. It just sucks.

I never really thought about it but yeah no team announcements or promo art really to help sell it. The bimonthly I think is just temporary. It'll go like that till they get closer to the #1000 issues. They are starting those books again at the 2011 numbering, they aren't grouping the last couple of years in with them.

I'll also post the video that DC did where Geoff Johns talks about Rebirth. There's not a whole lot there except him explaining what he saw Green Lantern and Flash Rebirths being about and eating a massive piece of humble pie as well in my eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFXITBuLMA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The one piece of art they did reveal for Rebirth shows up at the end of the video. It's basically the standard Marvel-promo where the characters are silhouettes really but here's what can be made out:

A Superboy (wearing a jacket) - my thoughts, he's the pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois's son. He's shown way to small to be Conner
A Flash? - Who ever he is he looks like Jay or what will be Earth - 0 Jay with the WWI helmet
A Green Arrow/Azrael/Hoodie Guy - this ones least defined, the hood and the way the video talks tells me Grell style Arrow but Jean Paul Valley is missing or recently introduced so...
A Flash - this is definitely a Flash. Lightning bolt on the chest and everything. Style of costume implies the return of the actual Wally West, he's too tall to be proper Bart, and Wally is the only one to wear his hair free
A Female Green Lantern - The thing to do right now is push female characters (according to Marvel) so I'm thinking this is Power Ring that's in Justice League right now.
Supergirl - because well duh, tv show and no book to sell, not a good look

[Cyberstrike]

Can someone at Time Warner just fire DiDio, Lee, Harras, and Johns and get Kahn and Levitz back? Say what you will DC was a much better company when they were running things instead of the stupid 4.

I'm sorry but reverting to the original numbering for Action Comics and Dectective Comics is stupid. It's the main reason why Marvel comics are a pain to follow. They made a choice to cancel and restart those series over and reverting the numbering is pandering of the lowest order plus IMHO it robs Action Comics vol. 1 #1000 to be vol. 1 #1000 instead of being vol. 3 #50 or whatever number.

[dornwolf]

Can someone at Time Warner just fire DiDio, Lee, Harras, and Johns and get Kahn and Levitz back? Say what you will DC was a much better company when they were running things instead of the stupid 4.

I'm sorry but reverting to the original numbering for Action Comics and Dectective Comics is stupid. It's the main reason why Marvel comics are a pain to follow. They made a choice to cancel and restart those series over and reverting the numbering is pandering of the lowest order plus IMHO it robs Action Comics vol. 1 #1000 to be vol. 1 #1000 instead of being vol. 3 #50 or whatever number.

The thing is they will be Vol 1 #1000. They are literally relaunching those titles from the 2011 point. These last volumes won't count towards numbering. It doesn't bother me as much as they've only ever done this to Action and Detective once and they're scrapping that once now. Marvel, honestly I don't know why they don't champion switching to a 12 issue a year season format. That's usually how long a book there lasts before they relaunch anyway.

[ShadowTuga]

I don't get why you would be upset about the back to old numbers move, CS. They are just adding 52 issues of these last 4 1/2 years to the old comics. Pandering? Maybe, but giving the fans what they want is good business. Action and Detective are the oldest relevant comics of today- they should be celebrated as that. My 2 cents.

And My opinion, subjective: this is the best move DC could do right now. Honestly, the more I read about this, the more I am on board. I'd actually be picking more DC comics, if I wasn't already on a budget (Earth-2, Suicide Squad, Harley, Deathstroke, Green Arrow, Flash, Titans and JL/JLA are all properties that I'd have as a regular read, if the writer/artists pairing was spot on). And if they go back to the old black and blue costume, I'll pick Nightwing immediately.
I don't see a LOT (in a bad way) of Bat-books like when the Nu52 started, it actually seems that Supes has more titles than Batman (The Super Man, Super Sons?????)
BUT AND BIG BUT: like I said, we need creative teams asap. I got to know if the guns are pointed right.

[grendeljd]

Can someone at Time Warner just fire DiDio, Lee, Harras, and Johns and get Kahn and Levitz back? Say what you will DC was a much better company when they were running things instead of the stupid 4.

I'm sorry but reverting to the original numbering for Action Comics and Dectective Comics is stupid. It's the main reason why Marvel comics are a pain to follow. They made a choice to cancel and restart those series over and reverting the numbering is pandering of the lowest order plus IMHO it robs Action Comics vol. 1 #1000 to be vol. 1 #1000 instead of being vol. 3 #50 or whatever number.

The thing is they will be Vol 1 #1000. They are literally relaunching those titles from the 2011 point. These last volumes won't count towards numbering. It doesn't bother me as much as they've only ever done this to Action and Detective once and they're scrapping that once now. Marvel, honestly I don't know why they don't champion switching to a 12 issue a year season format. That's usually how long a book there lasts before they relaunch anyway.

One of the articles I read about this 'rebirth' mentioned the numbering for Action & Detective, and they basically said Action was resuming at #957, where it had been stopped at #904 when they relaunched the New52's at #1. So to me, that means there isn't ever going to be Action #905-#956. Same for Detective... doesn't that mean the "Vol.2" numbering does count?

[dornwolf]

Can someone at Time Warner just fire DiDio, Lee, Harras, and Johns and get Kahn and Levitz back? Say what you will DC was a much better company when they were running things instead of the stupid 4.

I'm sorry but reverting to the original numbering for Action Comics and Dectective Comics is stupid. It's the main reason why Marvel comics are a pain to follow. They made a choice to cancel and restart those series over and reverting the numbering is pandering of the lowest order plus IMHO it robs Action Comics vol. 1 #1000 to be vol. 1 #1000 instead of being vol. 3 #50 or whatever number.

The thing is they will be Vol 1 #1000. They are literally relaunching those titles from the 2011 point. These last volumes won't count towards numbering. It doesn't bother me as much as they've only ever done this to Action and Detective once and they're scrapping that once now. Marvel, honestly I don't know why they don't champion switching to a 12 issue a year season format. That's usually how long a book there lasts before they relaunch anyway.

One of the articles I read about this 'rebirth' mentioned the numbering for Action & Detective, and they basically said Action was resuming at #957, where it had been stopped at #904 when they relaunched the New52's at #1. So to me, that means there isn't ever going to be Action #905-#956. Same for Detective... doesn't that mean the "Vol.2" numbering does count?

See there is so much crap flying right now who knows. I could've sworn that I read somewhere it was 2011 restart so I'm probably wrong.

[leonmallett]

DC heads on Twitter putting out a new image claiming that it's not a Reboot

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... never-was/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the flip side Alfred in Batman is missing his hand and possibly has it back by the relaunch. They've actually been pretty not commital

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... -spoilers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And writer rumor

Marguerite Bennett on Wonder Woman

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... ing-comic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The missing hand is going to be tough to hide if there's not a reboot... I thought this was going to be a major issue for Penny-One from then on, but yeah, pretty non.commital from what I'm seeing in the books.

Thanks for the heads-up, wolf.

After dropping DC books except Astro City, I have since picked up Batman via collected editions:I thought Alfred losing his hand was a very cheap shock moment and yet another sign that the Synder hype was more evidence of a deeper problem - that in painting the character into that story corner, like many modern writers Snyder is not a custodian in the same way writers in the past were. Too many writers seem too determined to make such an indelible mark through the tear it down approach, which is what divides and divides over and over. The Alfred thing is a very small part of that compared to the Joker retcons, but underlines the point.

[dornwolf]

DC heads on Twitter putting out a new image claiming that it's not a Reboot

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... never-was/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the flip side Alfred in Batman is missing his hand and possibly has it back by the relaunch. They've actually been pretty not commital

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... -spoilers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And writer rumor

Marguerite Bennett on Wonder Woman

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... ing-comic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The missing hand is going to be tough to hide if there's not a reboot... I thought this was going to be a major issue for Penny-One from then on, but yeah, pretty non.commital from what I'm seeing in the books.

Thanks for the heads-up, wolf.

After dropping DC books except Astro City, I have since picked up Batman via collected editions:I thought Alfred losing his hand was a very cheap shock moment and yet another sign that the Synder hype was more evidence of a deeper problem - that in painting the character into that story corner, like many modern writers Snyder is not a custodian in the same way writers in the past were. Too many writers seem too determined to make such an indelible mark through the tear it down approach, which is what divides and divides over and over. The Alfred thing is a very small part of that compared to the Joker retcons, but underlines the point.

Honestly I don't hold Snyder all the high. He wrecked Mr.Freeze and warped Dick's backgrounds. I feel he's honeslty getting like Geoff Johns did, stick around long enough and make a huge change that sticks so that you have a lasting legacy and mark on the character. I miss writers like Peter David whose runs became legendary not because of length or additions to canon but because of pure quality and ability.

[Cyberstrike]

DC heads on Twitter putting out a new image claiming that it's not a Reboot

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... never-was/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the flip side Alfred in Batman is missing his hand and possibly has it back by the relaunch. They've actually been pretty not commital

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... -spoilers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And writer rumor

Marguerite Bennett on Wonder Woman

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/15/ ... ing-comic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The missing hand is going to be tough to hide if there's not a reboot... I thought this was going to be a major issue for Penny-One from then on, but yeah, pretty non.commital from what I'm seeing in the books.

Thanks for the heads-up, wolf.

After dropping DC books except Astro City, I have since picked up Batman via collected editions:I thought Alfred losing his hand was a very cheap shock moment and yet another sign that the Synder hype was more evidence of a deeper problem - that in painting the character into that story corner, like many modern writers Snyder is not a custodian in the same way writers in the past were. Too many writers seem too determined to make such an indelible mark through the tear it down approach, which is what divides and divides over and over. The Alfred thing is a very small part of that compared to the Joker retcons, but underlines the point.

Honestly I don't hold Snyder all the high. He wrecked Mr.Freeze and warped Dick's backgrounds. I feel he's honeslty getting like Geoff Johns did, stick around long enough and make a huge change that sticks so that you have a lasting legacy and mark on the character. I miss writers like Peter David whose runs became legendary not because of length or additions to canon but because of pure quality and ability.

I agree that writers like Peter David can find new ways to make characters like the Hulk and Supergirl cool and relevant to a new generation without junking the history of characters the same with Mark Waid's run The Flash which is still for my money the best run on any version of the Flash by any writer because he was able to take Wally West and IMHO made him a true heir to Barry Allen and he expanded the mythos of The Flash to such a degree that I feel the current CW TV show is more closer to Waid's run than it will ever be to Johns' run.

[Cyberstrike]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

[dornwolf]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

Honestly DC in general is trying to revive the silver age but without all the silver age over the top aspects. They want Hal and Barry and Superman separated from Lois but they ruff it up with the modern age. As much as I'm intrigued by whats to come one must always remember that for all the talk Geoffs doing he literally helped DC put itself in such a position they are in right now.I think the funniest moment from a few years ago was when Geoff went on Twitter and said how much he missed the JSA and their Legacies. Glossing over the fact he had done all of it.

On the other hand theres nothing wrong with exploring the past stories, the biggest problem for the New 52 is that it doesn't feel connected at all within the universe. So bringing back aspects that are needed won't be too bad.

[Cyberstrike]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

Honestly DC in general is trying to revive the silver age but without all the silver age over the top aspects. They want Hal and Barry and Superman separated from Lois but they ruff it up with the modern age. As much as I'm intrigued by whats to come one must always remember that for all the talk Geoffs doing he literally helped DC put itself in such a position they are in right now.I think the funniest moment from a few years ago was when Geoff went on Twitter and said how much he missed the JSA and their Legacies. Glossing over the fact he had done all of it.

On the other hand theres nothing wrong with exploring the past stories, the biggest problem for the New 52 is that it doesn't feel connected at all within the universe. So bringing back aspects that are needed won't be too bad.

That is a major problem with Johns, he seems to think that every character created after 1980 that he didn't co-create are unworthy to be part of the DCU. And he has helped to wipe out the legacies of characters like Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Linda Danvers, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, and Young Justice but not realizing that for many fans in my age group (and younger) that read comics or watch the cartoons from the 90s on that these are the Flash, Green Lantern, Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, and the Teen Titans that we know and love and that by wiping them out to get older fans is doomed to failure in the long term.

[Sven the Returned]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

Honestly DC in general is trying to revive the silver age but without all the silver age over the top aspects. They want Hal and Barry and Superman separated from Lois but they ruff it up with the modern age. As much as I'm intrigued by whats to come one must always remember that for all the talk Geoffs doing he literally helped DC put itself in such a position they are in right now.I think the funniest moment from a few years ago was when Geoff went on Twitter and said how much he missed the JSA and their Legacies. Glossing over the fact he had done all of it.

On the other hand theres nothing wrong with exploring the past stories, the biggest problem for the New 52 is that it doesn't feel connected at all within the universe. So bringing back aspects that are needed won't be too bad.

That is a major problem with Johns, he seems to think that every character created after 1980 that he didn't co-create are unworthy to be part of the DCU. And he has helped to wipe out the legacies of characters like Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Linda Danvers, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, and Young Justice but not realizing that for many fans in my age group (and younger) that read comics or watch the cartoons from the 90s on that these are the Flash, Green Lantern, Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, and the Teen Titans that we know and love and that by wiping them out to get older fans is doomed to failure in the long term.

There is no friggin way Marvel and DC are not doomed long term. Just look at when they were founded. They had a great run.

[dornwolf]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

Honestly DC in general is trying to revive the silver age but without all the silver age over the top aspects. They want Hal and Barry and Superman separated from Lois but they ruff it up with the modern age. As much as I'm intrigued by whats to come one must always remember that for all the talk Geoffs doing he literally helped DC put itself in such a position they are in right now.I think the funniest moment from a few years ago was when Geoff went on Twitter and said how much he missed the JSA and their Legacies. Glossing over the fact he had done all of it.

On the other hand theres nothing wrong with exploring the past stories, the biggest problem for the New 52 is that it doesn't feel connected at all within the universe. So bringing back aspects that are needed won't be too bad.

That is a major problem with Johns, he seems to think that every character created after 1980 that he didn't co-create are unworthy to be part of the DCU. And he has helped to wipe out the legacies of characters like Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Linda Danvers, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, and Young Justice but not realizing that for many fans in my age group (and younger) that read comics or watch the cartoons from the 90s on that these are the Flash, Green Lantern, Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, and the Teen Titans that we know and love and that by wiping them out to get older fans is doomed to failure in the long term.

There is no friggin way Marvel and DC are not doomed long term. Just look at when they were founded. They had a great run.

Well DC is experiencing the long term pain part of New 52's short term gain.

[dornwolf]

So Bleeding Cool has this

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/22/ ... dan-didio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought was, "whose getting raped this time?"

[ShadowTuga]

So Bleeding Cool has this

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/22/ ... dan-didio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought was, "whose getting raped this time?"

I swear I thought about Plastic Man and Ivy.

[Cyberstrike]

So Bleeding Cool has this

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/22/ ... dan-didio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought was, "whose getting raped this time?"

No, it doesn't.

Edit: It could be that one of the Trinity (Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman) will come out as gay or bisexual.

[ShadowTuga]

Well, I've already put 'Tec again in my pull. I'm a proud Snyder fan, I'll follow the man wherever he's writing Batman stories.
I DO hope that bimonthly will be just a temporary thing to boost (even more) the first issues. As soon as more books are announced throughout the fall and prob winter, I can easily see the bimonthly on some titles go Ciao.
But you win this round, DC. 'Tec was always a big mess since Nu52, with a few pearls in there (Manapul, Buccellato, Layman) but due to this "back-to-old-numbers" thing, my OCD can't let me have a gap between #44 and #934.
Plus, I get to read Tomasi's take on Bat-Gordon. No harm in there at all.

[mateo107]

I might check out Action Comics again now that it's being renumbered, hoping that it might have the real Superman back. But I have no problem not having New 52 Action Comics #1-52 in my collection.

[Sven the Returned]

Here is an interesting article about Geoff Johns' comments on DC: Rebirth, I'm not 100% sure that I agree with all of it but it's a still a fascinating read.

Honestly DC in general is trying to revive the silver age but without all the silver age over the top aspects. They want Hal and Barry and Superman separated from Lois but they ruff it up with the modern age. As much as I'm intrigued by whats to come one must always remember that for all the talk Geoffs doing he literally helped DC put itself in such a position they are in right now.I think the funniest moment from a few years ago was when Geoff went on Twitter and said how much he missed the JSA and their Legacies. Glossing over the fact he had done all of it.

On the other hand theres nothing wrong with exploring the past stories, the biggest problem for the New 52 is that it doesn't feel connected at all within the universe. So bringing back aspects that are needed won't be too bad.

That is a major problem with Johns, he seems to think that every character created after 1980 that he didn't co-create are unworthy to be part of the DCU. And he has helped to wipe out the legacies of characters like Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Linda Danvers, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, and Young Justice but not realizing that for many fans in my age group (and younger) that read comics or watch the cartoons from the 90s on that these are the Flash, Green Lantern, Supergirl, Batgirl, Robin, and the Teen Titans that we know and love and that by wiping them out to get older fans is doomed to failure in the long term.

There is no friggin way Marvel and DC are not doomed long term. Just look at when they were founded. They had a great run.

Well DC is experiencing the long term pain part of New 52's short term gain.

Or maybe they are just delaying the inevitable. There is no way people won't get tired of their ususal stories and there is no way they won't end up repeating the same stories again and again with the same top selling characters.

[dornwolf]

Okay DC's big push with Rebirth is that it's "not a reboot and never was" apparently though writers/artists aren't aware of that. One of the reasons we don't have teams on books yet...they've been apparently told to pitch everything and anything under the sun. From Reboots, to just relaunches, refreshes. Call it what ever you want but I feel this is like the New 52 launch all over again. Starting so far behind the 8 ball that everything launches in just utter *SQUEE* condition.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/26/ ... -creators/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mateo107]

So shipping comics twice a month, is this "Rebirth" or "Birthquake"?

[dornwolf]

So shipping comics twice a month, is this "Rebirth" or "Birthquake"?

No this is Marvel