Archer & Armstrong #12 Discussion

[Carson]

Man, this title is dangerously close to taking over my #2 slot. It just keeps getting better and better. The Ivar Rai #0 moments at the end made me so happy. Bring on those sentient cities!

[Baramos]

The Hypersphere resides in the 4th dimension, thus it is "outside" of time. That's why time seems to stand still for the people in it as far as aging goes. The orb-thingy that Ivar gets into allows his consciousness to interact with any point in the timestream because he's outside it, he can just pick where he goes using it as a connection. He can't actually physically interact with it, right? That's why he used Archer to accomplish what he needed done to prevent the Boon from destroying everything again.

As for dropping nuggets about the fate of characters like Bloodshot, for all we know Archer lives to be 80 years old and this confrontation doesn't happen until he's 75. It's not quite the same as knowing Shadowman dies in 1999 in the original Shadowman because despite my best hopes, I doubt we'll reading this Valiant universe in 2085 or whatever. As for it telling us stuff about the timeline, if/when they ever get Rai into this new Valiant universe, I have the feeling a lot of things are going to "spoiled"--but the how/why will remain a mystery!

[greg]

As for dropping nuggets about the fate of characters like Bloodshot, for all we know Archer lives to be 80 years old and this confrontation doesn't happen until he's 75. It's not quite the same as knowing Shadowman dies in 1999 in the original Shadowman because despite my best hopes, I doubt we'll reading this Valiant universe in 2085 or whatever. As for it telling us stuff about the timeline, if/when they ever get Rai into this new Valiant universe, I have the feeling a lot of things are going to "spoiled"--but the how/why will remain a mystery!

If Ivar has seen Obadiah destroy Bloodshot, he would know about how old Obadiah was when he did it.
Ivar must believe Obadiah is already about that age... not decades from now.

[BugsySig]

As for dropping nuggets about the fate of characters like Bloodshot, for all we know Archer lives to be 80 years old and this confrontation doesn't happen until he's 75. It's not quite the same as knowing Shadowman dies in 1999 in the original Shadowman because despite my best hopes, I doubt we'll reading this Valiant universe in 2085 or whatever. As for it telling us stuff about the timeline, if/when they ever get Rai into this new Valiant universe, I have the feeling a lot of things are going to "spoiled"--but the how/why will remain a mystery!

If Ivar has seen Obadiah destroy Bloodshot, he would know about how old Obadiah was when he did it.
Ivar must believe Obadiah is already about that age... not decades from now.

Unless Obie doesn't age? Or Ivar could have just been confused coming out of the time stream after "forever".

Brings up another question: Will we eventually see a time traveling Ivar, or are his time traveling days over now that Obie released him? It would be interesting to follow an Ivar who knows the future and tries to either change it or make it come to fruition, but then he wouldn't be "Time Walking"...

[jmatt]

The Hypersphere resides in the 4th dimension, thus it is "outside" of time. That's why time seems to stand still for the people in it as far as aging goes. The orb-thingy that Ivar gets into allows his consciousness to interact with any point in the timestream because he's outside it, he can just pick where he goes using it as a connection.

Well, time is the fourth dimension but I get your meaning. That's an interesting explanation.

[lorddunlow]

As for dropping nuggets about the fate of characters like Bloodshot, for all we know Archer lives to be 80 years old and this confrontation doesn't happen until he's 75. It's not quite the same as knowing Shadowman dies in 1999 in the original Shadowman because despite my best hopes, I doubt we'll reading this Valiant universe in 2085 or whatever. As for it telling us stuff about the timeline, if/when they ever get Rai into this new Valiant universe, I have the feeling a lot of things are going to "spoiled"--but the how/why will remain a mystery!

If Ivar has seen Obadiah destroy Bloodshot, he would know about how old Obadiah was when he did it.
Ivar must believe Obadiah is already about that age... not decades from now.

Unless Obie doesn't age? Or Ivar could have just been confused coming out of the time stream after "forever".

Brings up another question: Will we eventually see a time traveling Ivar, or are his time traveling days over now that Obie released him? It would be interesting to follow an Ivar who knows the future and tries to either change it or make it come to fruition, but then he wouldn't be "Time Walking"...

You beat me to that argument!

[mateo107]

Will we eventually see a time traveling Ivar, or are his time traveling days over now

but even if he stopped time traveling in the present, he's still always out there in the past and future...

[bygranddesign]

Unless Obie doesn't age? Or Ivar could have just been confused coming out of the time stream after "forever".

You beat me to that argument!

I think this could be a possibility also. When Kay the Geomancer looked at Obie's code .. she saw the infinity symbol. I think Obie is only at the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. He might be able to learn anything ... including the ability to stop aging. He might just be a Solar type character in the future if he is able to tap into the full potential of the mind including every possible PSIOT ability

[lorddunlow]

Unless Obie doesn't age? Or Ivar could have just been confused coming out of the time stream after "forever".

You beat me to that argument!

I think this could be a possibility also. When Kay the Geomancer looked at Obie's code .. she saw the infinity symbol. I think Obie is only at the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. He might be able to learn anything ... including the ability to stop aging. He might just be a Solar type character in the future if he is able to tap into the full potential of the mind including every possible PSIOT ability

I so hope this is where they are taking Archer. I would love a super-powered, nearly omnipotent character. I miss Solar.

[Keith]

Could Archer himself be sustaining the Faraway?

The 7 Sages refered to the Faraway as the place created to protect Archer's Word... going off memory here, so bear with me... and they motioned toward a pedestal with a notebook on it. What if it's more than that?

In Christianity, Jesus is often refered to as the word made flesh. What if a similar description is applied to Archer? What if it's actually Archer they are talking about, and the Faraway is where his incredibly powerful remains are stored and protected from whatever is going on in the 4th Harbinger War? And because his remains are so powerful, they are what sustains everything?

What if the Boon, in some crazy way, is actually Archer's tomb?

<passes the peace pipe and it's happy bud to the next recipient>

[lorddunlow]

I don't think this will be the case, but it's a very interesting (and totally possible) theory.

[The Dirt Gang]

<passes the peace pipe and it's happy bud to the next recipient>

Nice theory!

But the above is what really caught my eye. VEI really needs to be pushing their "stuff" in the streets. A couple of suggestions should they choose this market.

"Archer's Budstrong - it will have you feeling infinite."

"Quantum Weedies - it's not paranoia, you are actually being followed."

"Budshots - They'll make you out of your mind." *side effects include massive meat consumption

[lorddunlow]

<passes the peace pipe and it's happy bud to the next recipient>

Nice theory!

But the above is what really caught my eye. VEI really needs to be pushing their "stuff" in the streets. A couple of suggestions should they choose this market.

"Archer's Budstrong - it will have you feeling infinite."

"Quantum Weedies - it's not paranoia, you are actually being followed."

"Budshots - They'll make you out of your mind." *side effects include massive meat consumption

Your creative weird juices are flowing today, aren't they?

[The Dirt Gang]

<passes the peace pipe and it's happy bud to the next recipient>

Nice theory!

But the above is what really caught my eye. VEI really needs to be pushing their "stuff" in the streets. A couple of suggestions should they choose this market.

"Archer's Budstrong - it will have you feeling infinite."

"Quantum Weedies - it's not paranoia, you are actually being followed."

"Budshots - They'll make you out of your mind." *side effects include massive meat consumption

Your creative weird juices are flowing today, aren't they?

I'm lobbying hard for VEI to hire me as head of new markets. I'd love a new job. Oddly all of my new markets revolve around pills.

[betterthanezra]

I finally caught up to this issue in my reading and stayed away from this thread till i did...

MIND fraking BLOWN

Wow not only is this issue so full of stuff in it the book has been exceeding my expectations each and every issue. This is turning into one of my favorite books.

I can't read #13 till next Tuesday and it's killing me!!!

-Brian

[lorddunlow]

I finally caught up to this issue in my reading and stayed away from this thread till i did...

MIND fraking BLOWN

Wow not only is this issue so full of stuff in it the book has been exceeding my expectations each and every issue. This is turning into one of my favorite books.

I can't read #13 till next Tuesday and it's killing me!!!

-Brian

You are definitely in for a treat.