Shooter and the new Valiant

[ManofTheAtom]

Well find me an original premise in literature in the last 50 years and I'll find you...ummm, I guess well read.

I don't imagine it is a huge stretch to understand that everyone's Valiant experience was/is/has been/will be different.

Thats why when it comes to restarting Valiant there isn't one clear cut resolution.

Accidental imitation of a work of literature is one thing (no one-individual can be expected to read every book, watch every movie, be aware of every play, etc, etc).

Clear-cut plagiarism is quite another.

[Cyberstrike]

The Second Life of Dr. Mirage was a great concept but at best it was an average title.
Even at it's best it is was still no where good as Solar, Man of the Atom #0-#14 IMHO, now if Valiant had a writer the caliber of Alan Moore, Jim Shooter, Peter David, or even Jay Faber (writers who focus on the characters and drama and not the action/science/mystical aspects) then Valiant would have a classic.

I don't think many people here would buy a Second Life of Doctor Mirage hardcover to justify the cost of producing one. Now maybe if VEI were to release it as a series of low cost digest sized TPBs it might sell. To be quite honest however I don't think that every Valiant series deserves a hardcover.

I thought that DM was one of the few Post Shooter books that strived to adhere to the notion that it took place in a real world setting, specially with how it handled the relationship between Carmen and Hwen.

I hope they do an hc, DM was one of my favorite VALIANT titles

I think of hardcovers as the same 2 disc deluxe versions of DVDs and simply put not ever series is worth the money to make a hardcover collection and that would make a profit.

If VEI does do a The Second Life of Dr. Mirage collection I doubt it'll
be a hardcover. A digest sized TPB series of it yeah I might be tempeted to buy it. But IMO The Second Life of Doctor Mirage just isn't worthy of a hardcover collection.

[ManofTheAtom]

The Second Life of Dr. Mirage was a great concept but at best it was an average title.
Even at it's best it is was still no where good as Solar, Man of the Atom #0-#14 IMHO, now if Valiant had a writer the caliber of Alan Moore, Jim Shooter, Peter David, or even Jay Faber (writers who focus on the characters and drama and not the action/science/mystical aspects) then Valiant would have a classic.

I don't think many people here would buy a Second Life of Doctor Mirage hardcover to justify the cost of producing one. Now maybe if VEI were to release it as a series of low cost digest sized TPBs it might sell. To be quite honest however I don't think that every Valiant series deserves a hardcover.

I thought that DM was one of the few Post Shooter books that strived to adhere to the notion that it took place in a real world setting, specially with how it handled the relationship between Carmen and Hwen.

I hope they do an hc, DM was one of my favorite VALIANT titles

I think of hardcovers as the same 2 disc deluxe versions of DVDs and simply put not ever series is worth the money to make a hardcover collection and that would make a profit.

If VEI does do a The Second Life of Dr. Mirage collection I doubt it'll
be a hardcover. A digest sized TPB series of it yeah I might be tempeted to buy it. But IMO The Second Life of Doctor Mirage just isn't worthy of a hardcover collection.

Digests suck

When I hear digest, I think Archie

[siren3-4]

I liked Dr Mirage a lot . . . I would buy a HC collection . . .

[myron]

Digests suck

When I hear digest, I think Archie

that is completely your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that ain't fact...

I kinda like Archie digests...

[Zaphod]

Well find me an original premise in literature in the last 50 years and I'll find you...ummm, I guess well read.

I don't imagine it is a huge stretch to understand that everyone's Valiant experience was/is/has been/will be different.

Thats why when it comes to restarting Valiant there isn't one clear cut resolution.

Accidental imitation of a work of literature is one thing (no one-individual can be expected to read every book, watch every movie, be aware of every play, etc, etc).

Clear-cut plagiarism is quite another.

I am almost afraid to ask you to elaborate how your response relates to my post.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well find me an original premise in literature in the last 50 years and I'll find you...ummm, I guess well read.

I don't imagine it is a huge stretch to understand that everyone's Valiant experience was/is/has been/will be different.

Thats why when it comes to restarting Valiant there isn't one clear cut resolution.

Accidental imitation of a work of literature is one thing (no one-individual can be expected to read every book, watch every movie, be aware of every play, etc, etc).

Clear-cut plagiarism is quite another.

I am almost afraid to ask you to elaborate how your response relates to my post.

You were replying to my post about the VH 3 doctor mirage, which was an intentional rip off of dr strange, batman adventures, and tomb raider.

[Daniel Jackson]

Digests suck

When I hear digest, I think Archie

that is completely your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that ain't fact...

I kinda like Archie digests...

me too...

[Zaphod]

Well find me an original premise in literature in the last 50 years and I'll find you...ummm, I guess well read.

I don't imagine it is a huge stretch to understand that everyone's Valiant experience was/is/has been/will be different.

Thats why when it comes to restarting Valiant there isn't one clear cut resolution.

Accidental imitation of a work of literature is one thing (no one-individual can be expected to read every book, watch every movie, be aware of every play, etc, etc).

Clear-cut plagiarism is quite another.

I am almost afraid to ask you to elaborate how your response relates to my post.

You were replying to my post about the VH 3 doctor mirage, which was an intentional rip off of dr strange, batman adventures, and tomb raider.

combining ideas is not plagiarism.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well find me an original premise in literature in the last 50 years and I'll find you...ummm, I guess well read.

I don't imagine it is a huge stretch to understand that everyone's Valiant experience was/is/has been/will be different.

Thats why when it comes to restarting Valiant there isn't one clear cut resolution.

Accidental imitation of a work of literature is one thing (no one-individual can be expected to read every book, watch every movie, be aware of every play, etc, etc).

Clear-cut plagiarism is quite another.

I am almost afraid to ask you to elaborate how your response relates to my post.

You were replying to my post about the VH 3 doctor mirage, which was an intentional rip off of dr strange, batman adventures, and tomb raider.

combining ideas is not plagiarism.

I've noticed that for most readers when creators who are cool to like do it, it's not plagiarism, but when it's creators who it's cool to hate, then it is.

If Rob Liefeld did it, it be plagirism, but if Alan Moore did, it wouldn't be.

I for one don't care about cool or not cool, I'm judging based on the merits of the concept, and all that the VH 3 DM concept was, was a clear rip off of Tomb Raider and Dr Strange drawn in the Bruce Timm style, which was yet another attempt to pander to that audience with watered down VALIANT concepts.

[Daniel Jackson]

I've noticed that for most readers when creators who are cool to like do it, it's not plagiarism, but when it's creators who it's cool to hate, then it is.

If Rob Liefeld did it, it be plagirism, but if Alan Moore did, it wouldn't be.

I for one don't care about cool or not cool, I'm judging based on the merits of the concept, and all that the VH 3 DM concept was, was a clear rip off of Tomb Raider and Dr Strange drawn in the Bruce Timm style, which was yet another attempt to pander to that audience with watered down VALIANT concepts.

I hate to even point out this old thread because of the author, but seems to me the vast majority of people on this board liked that "watered down Valiant concept".

VH3 Mirage

[ManofTheAtom]

I've noticed that for most readers when creators who are cool to like do it, it's not plagiarism, but when it's creators who it's cool to hate, then it is.

If Rob Liefeld did it, it be plagirism, but if Alan Moore did, it wouldn't be.

I for one don't care about cool or not cool, I'm judging based on the merits of the concept, and all that the VH 3 DM concept was, was a clear rip off of Tomb Raider and Dr Strange drawn in the Bruce Timm style, which was yet another attempt to pander to that audience with watered down VALIANT concepts.

I hate to even point out this old thread because of the author, but seems to me the vast majority of people on this board liked that "watered down Valiant concept".

VH3 Mirage

Yeah, I can see that.

The first post was about the art... the art doesn't make the story, it only makes it look good.

The same artists could have done another story that was NOT a watered down VALIANT concept and it would have looked JUST as "gorgeous".

[ManofTheAtom]

Carmen is dressed casually - pants, turtleneck top, jacket, boots (she doesn't don her "costume" until the end of the book).

ooooh... Carmen had a costume.

How very non-VALIANT of her.

(i.e. like Wayne Manor in the Batman books)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, and they even lived in Batman's house too!!!



"Hey kids, buy this comic. It's not that boring Dr Mirage VALIANT published, *yuck*. It's Batman with Dr Strange's powers, a cross between DC and Marvel characters you DO like!"

(you know… the kind of stuff guys think girls wear when they sleep).

To give the readers something to inspire their wet dreams.

"It's cheaper than Playboy, and your parents won't know..."



I'm done reading that pile of *SQUEE*...

[thePike]

Awww... does anybody have the art from that original VH3 Mirage post? its' not up anymore...

[Daniel Jackson]

The art was just one aspect of it. It was the story that went along with it that kept people interested.

[ManofTheAtom]

Awww... does anybody have the art from that original VH3 Mirage post? its' not up anymore...

Just pretend he looks like Dr Strange

[Daniel Jackson]

Awww... does anybody have the art from that original VH3 Mirage post? its' not up anymore...

That's been asked before and no one seems to have saved any of on their computer and the guy that posted it has long since been banned.

[ManofTheAtom]

The art was just one aspect of it. It was the story that went along with it that kept people interested.

I don't disagree. Batman's story has kept people interested for a long time.

Tomb Raider has sold millions of dollars in video games, comics, and movies.

And Dr Strange has been a mild success for Marvel.

As a Dr Mirage story, however, it's pure dog *SQUEE*.

[thePike]

That's been asked before and no one seems to have saved any of on their computer and the guy that posted it has long since been banned.

Gotcha. I figured that was the answer when I saw who posted it, but hey you never know till you ask

[ManofTheAtom]

Awww... does anybody have the art from that original VH3 Mirage post? its' not up anymore...

That's been asked before and no one seems to have saved any of on their computer and the guy that posted it has long since been banned.

BloodofHeroes had the character sheets for Dr Strange... I mean, Hwen, Lara... urgh, I mean Carmen, and Jason Vorhees... I mean Aram.

And Sonicdan has/had a Master Darque scan from Wizard that I sent him.

[Elveen]

Awww... does anybody have the art from that original VH3 Mirage post? its' not up anymore...

That's been asked before and no one seems to have saved any of on their computer and the guy that posted it has long since been banned.

BloodofHeroes had the character sheets for Dr Strange... I mean, Hwen, Lara... urgh, I mean Carmen, and Jason Vorhees... I mean Aram.

And Sonicdan has/had a Master Darque scan from Wizard that I sent him.

Well, let's get these back up. I would like to see them.

[Cyberstrike]

Digests suck

When I hear digest, I think Archie

that is completely your opinion and you are entitled to it, but that ain't fact...

I kinda like Archie digests...

me too...

I like the Titan's Transformers digest sized books, IDW and Dreamwave's are OK.

[BloodOfHeroes]

If someone reminds me this weekend, I have a copy of the lineart for that VH3 Darque art. I'll dig it out and scan it.

Mine's much bigger, if not as colorful, as SonicDan's.



BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

Show them your VH 3 Bloodshot stuff.

And the Pat Quinn Solar stuff.

And do you have the Magnus stuff? The one that looked like a rip off of the Fifth Element and Robotech.

[BloodOfHeroes]

Show them your VH 3 Bloodshot stuff.

http://www.geocities.com/angelo_mortalli6/vh3.html

And the Pat Quinn Solar stuff.

Crikey. I'd have to re-upload the whole fansite for that. I don;t remember the geocity account I used for it, back in the day.

And do you have the Magnus stuff? The one that looked like a rip off of the Fifth Element and Robotech.

Nope. magnusr would have to help with that one.

BoH