HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! 5/28-5/31

1st Among Equals · Post by **1st Among Equals** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:53 am

does this mean they are going to print other valiant hardcovers??!!

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:54 am

1st Among Equals wrote:does this mean they are going to print other Valiant hardcovers??!!

that would be the hope of most of the local fanboys...

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:08 pm

It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what VALIANT did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:26 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.

This would be a dream come true for me. The only exposure I have to these pre-unity issues is a trading card set with a bunch of synopsi. Thank god that the CDN dollar is nearly equal to the USD!

As a newbie, I don't understand the rights issues for these characters.... Does the company who is producing the Harbinger HC have the legal ability to publish the books as you've outlined above? (Sorry if this is a rookie question)

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:29 pm

That makes sense. I would have to say that the Unity books could be done one of two ways, either as two collections of 9 volumes and or as that plus have the next sets of reprints-if the continue with reprints-include the Unity stories as well. I am waiting to see what happens, but the speculation will keep us all glued until that glorious day late this summer, by which time we should all know more.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:10 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.

Thats an excellent break down, MOTA.

A reprinting of the A&O story would be great but for me the gem of these possibilities is a Magnus #0-8 HC. Reprinting what most consider to be 2 of Valiant's 3 best storylines in one book would be outstanding. It would be a thick book so it might not happen, though.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:14 pm

The Beyonder wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.
This would be a dream come true for me. The only exposure I have to these pre-unity issues is a trading card set with a bunch of synopsi. Thank god that the CDN dollar is nearly equal to the USD!

As a newbie, I don't understand the rights issues for these characters.... Does the company who is producing the Harbinger HC have the legal ability to publish the books as you've outlined above? (Sorry if this is a rookie question)

I think someone mentioned (maybe Greg) that they can reprint whatever Valiant and Acclaim previously put out.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:17 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I think 25 bucks for a hardcover is fairly reasonable. I believe that's the price Valiant was asking for the Solar hardcover.

Agreed, DJ. 25$ might even be too cheap. I'm concerned that Dino might be selling short considering the investment. If this book is going to be as nice as it sounds, I would be fine with me if he set the price at something closer to $40 or more. The higher price probably would do little to effect pre-orders anyway and it would increase his per-unit margins. Whatever it takes to make VEI succeed.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:26 pm

I am all for new HC's of the old material. That would TOTALLY rock...

-slym

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:36 pm

My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:55 pm

slym2none wrote:I am all for new HC's of the old material. That would TOTALLY rock...

-slym

yeah buddy!

considering that I have toyed with the idea of doing hardcover bindings myself...

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:56 pm

greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:22 pm

Zero wrote:
greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.

Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:25 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Zero wrote:
greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well.

They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:38 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Zero wrote:
greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well.
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now.

It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant.....

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:49 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Zero wrote:
greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well.
Made it myself.
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now.
It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant.....

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:58 pm

Um, I think you forgot something on the post above, Hobo.....

MedicAR · Post by **MedicAR** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:59 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Um, I think you forgot something on the post above, Hobo.....

You finally did it! He's speechless!

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:27 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Zero wrote:
greg wrote:My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)

It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week.
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well.
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now.
It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant.....

The famous peedigree that we have all heard of.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:16 pm

MagnusRF wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Um, I think you forgot something on the post above, Hobo.....
You finally did it! He's speechless!

Bout time.

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:58 pm

I'm sure once the Previews is out, news of this release will spread pretty quickly on the 'Net, but it might still be a good idea for VEI to send their August solicits to sites like www.comicscontinuum.com that post up many publishers' solicits.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu May 31, 2007 12:20 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.

Isn't a little early to make this sort of statements?

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:49 am

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:It's the best marketting tool they got.

They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.

This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.

Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.

Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95

Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95

Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95

X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95

That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less.
Isn't a little early to make this sort of statements?

Plus flooding a market carries great financial risk. Supply and demand. If there is too much supply store owners aren't going to help carry that risk n what is today and untested commodity. Chiclo is right to suggest that it is early days yet.

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:15 am

I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:19 am

ThrillKillWill wrote:I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me.

Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required.