Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[Ryan]

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

Didn't say they were the same company. DMG is still the parent company though and that hasn't changed. Alien is only a sub-contractor that helps procuring the talent and producing/publishing the comics.

[syzhang28]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

Just so wrong. And now also clearly ignorant. Why do you insist on continuing to spread misinformation and not do any form of self education?

Alien is not DMG in disguise. They are two separate companies, the former of which licenses the IP from the latter.

If you cannot understand something that simple, then this conversation cannot continue.

You're the one spreading misinformation, making it sound as if they are one and the same for the simple reason that Alien hired VALIANT employees.

By that narrow-minded standard, VEI is the same as Acclaim because they hired Walter Black, and would have been the same as Voyager had they been able to secure Shooter's employment for their relaunch.

This just in, old man screams at clouds.

[syzhang28]

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

Quoting from another thread, Ferg has read them and liked about half.

Obviously we probably disagree on the specifics, but here's how I see the DMG era. That's about 50/50 in my book.

Good (14): Livewire (1st arc), Incursion, Punk Mambo, Fallen World, Rai (2 arcs), Killers, Dr. Tomorrow, Shadowman (2 arcs), A&A Forever, Bloodshot Unleashed, X-O Manowar: Unconquered, Book of Shadows

Good, but flawed (7): Psi-Lords (2 arcs), Dr. Mirage, The Harbinger (2 arcs), Armorclads, Ninjak: Superkillers

Bad (15): Bloodshot Rising Spirit (2ish arcs), Livewire (2 arcs), The Forgotten Queen, Bloodshot (3ish arcs), Roku, The Visitor, Quantum & Woody!, X-O Manowar (2 arcs), Savage, Ninjak

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

I definitely don't agree with Ferg's list, I know I at least read the first Livewire arc and it was nowhere close to good in my book. But opinions vary obviously. Someone is reading these titles, right?

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

lol. Disney and Fox are literally the same company in every possible measure. You're aware of this little movie that Disney released recently called Deadpool 3 right?

[syzhang28]

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

What MOTA doesn't want to understand is that a license doesn't include creative control. Everything Alien wants to do, DMG must approve.

What you don't want to understand is that that has no relevance to whether or not Alien and DMG are two different companies.

You keep arguing about canon while I'm trying to get you to understand that they are not the same corporate entities.

if Alien had started from scratch instead of continued the previous canon you'd be whining about that.

Nothing to do with continuity. Much larger statement but I'm guessing you don't understand business. Maybe even how the world works.

[ManofTheAtom]

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

Didn't say they were the same company. DMG is still the parent company though and that hasn't changed. Alien is only a sub-contractor that helps procuring the talent and producing/publishing the comics.

You've spent the last few days arguing against me saying that they aren't, so, yes, you're saying that they are.

Whether or not DMG has any sort of control is entirely irrelevant to whether or not they are the same company, which I've spent the last several days telling you they aren't and you and others insists they are.

Until we can get past that very basic fact the conversation cannot continue into other areas.

Alien is not DMG, period.

[ManofTheAtom]

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

Quoting from another thread, Ferg has read them and liked about half.

Obviously we probably disagree on the specifics, but here's how I see the DMG era. That's about 50/50 in my book.

Good (14): Livewire (1st arc), Incursion, Punk Mambo, Fallen World, Rai (2 arcs), Killers, Dr. Tomorrow, Shadowman (2 arcs), A&A Forever, Bloodshot Unleashed, X-O Manowar: Unconquered, Book of Shadows

Good, but flawed (7): Psi-Lords (2 arcs), Dr. Mirage, The Harbinger (2 arcs), Armorclads, Ninjak: Superkillers

Bad (15): Bloodshot Rising Spirit (2ish arcs), Livewire (2 arcs), The Forgotten Queen, Bloodshot (3ish arcs), Roku, The Visitor, Quantum & Woody!, X-O Manowar (2 arcs), Savage, Ninjak

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

I definitely don't agree with Ferg's list, I know I at least read the first Livewire arc and it was nowhere close to good in my book. But opinions vary obviously. Someone is reading these titles, right?

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

lol. Disney and Fox are literally the same company in every possible measure. You're aware of this little movie that Disney released recently called Deadpool 3 right?

You really are a nitwit.

[syzhang28]

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

What MOTA doesn't want to understand is that a license doesn't include creative control. Everything Alien wants to do, DMG must approve.

Indeed. It never made any sense that they (DMG) bought these characters for a ton of money then they're going to give total creative control to some company that had put only put out a few comics.

The main thing that seemed to change is the art, so maybe part of Alien is they have access to an art studio in Argentina that's able to produce the comics in a more affordable way.

There does seem to be more of a focus on cohesion of the titles as well. A difference since DMG 2018-2022 books didn't seem to have much cohesion at all.

Totally agree. His argument is akin to 'just because the same people work there, and the same guy approves everything at the top, and the same characters are being used, in the same type of stories, with the same continuity, and the same ownership, the same financial situation, and the same corporate goals...doesn't make them the same' lol

[syzhang28]

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

Didn't say they were the same company. DMG is still the parent company though and that hasn't changed. Alien is only a sub-contractor that helps procuring the talent and producing/publishing the comics.

QFT

[ManofTheAtom]

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

That's you arguing against me saying that they are separate companies. You literally claim that there is no truth to that claim.

Alien is NOT DMG, and that is a fact.

Just because they hired members of VALIANT's editorial staff and retained the same continuity from before does NOT make them the same.

[syzhang28]

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

Quoting from another thread, Ferg has read them and liked about half.

Obviously we probably disagree on the specifics, but here's how I see the DMG era. That's about 50/50 in my book.

Good (14): Livewire (1st arc), Incursion, Punk Mambo, Fallen World, Rai (2 arcs), Killers, Dr. Tomorrow, Shadowman (2 arcs), A&A Forever, Bloodshot Unleashed, X-O Manowar: Unconquered, Book of Shadows

Good, but flawed (7): Psi-Lords (2 arcs), Dr. Mirage, The Harbinger (2 arcs), Armorclads, Ninjak: Superkillers

Bad (15): Bloodshot Rising Spirit (2ish arcs), Livewire (2 arcs), The Forgotten Queen, Bloodshot (3ish arcs), Roku, The Visitor, Quantum & Woody!, X-O Manowar (2 arcs), Savage, Ninjak

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

I definitely don't agree with Ferg's list, I know I at least read the first Livewire arc and it was nowhere close to good in my book. But opinions vary obviously. Someone is reading these titles, right?

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

lol. Disney and Fox are literally the same company in every possible measure. You're aware of this little movie that Disney released recently called Deadpool 3 right?

You really are a nitwit.

Kinda messed up of Disney to put out a movie owned by a company that is not them. Definitely not them. Totally different companies.

[syzhang28]

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

That's you arguing against me saying that they are separate companies. You literally claim that there is no truth to that claim.

Alien is NOT DMG, and that is a fact.

Just because they hired members of VALIANT's editorial staff and retained the same continuity from before does NOT make them the same.

um lol. Who wants to tell him?

[ManofTheAtom]

Alien hiring staff from VALIANT and retaining the prior continuity does not make them the same as DMG.

By that standard, Bad Idea is the same as VEI because they have the same staff.

[Ryan]

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

That's you arguing against me saying that they are separate companies. You literally claim that there is no truth to that claim.

Alien is NOT DMG, and that is a fact.

Just because they hired members of VALIANT's editorial staff and retained the same continuity from before does NOT make them the same.

We already did that mega thread like a year ago where you argued that DMG and Alien were completely separate and had nothing to do with each other.

Now there's been over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and the EiC is a Senior Editor from DMG-Valiant that's been on staff since the DMG takeover.

There's plenty of actual, real-life evidence to see what Alien comics are and what is different or the same from DMG (2018-22).

All I'm saying is just read ONE of the Alien comics and form an opinion based on that. It's 2024, don't tell me there's no possible way you can get a hold of one recently published comic book to read.

[ManofTheAtom]

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

That's you arguing against me saying that they are separate companies. You literally claim that there is no truth to that claim.

Alien is NOT DMG, and that is a fact.

Just because they hired members of VALIANT's editorial staff and retained the same continuity from before does NOT make them the same.

We already did that mega thread like a year ago where you argued that DMG and Alien were completely separate and had nothing to do with each other.

Now there's been over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and the EiC is a Senior Editor from DMG-Valiant that's been on staff since the DMG takeover.

There's plenty of actual, real-life evidence to see what Alien comics are and what is different or the same from DMG (2018-22).

All I'm saying is just read ONE of the Alien comics and form an opinion based on that. It's 2024, don't tell me there's no possible way you can get a hold of one recently published comic book to read.

And what I'm saying is that what appears on the printed page (continuity) has no relevance to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same companies; they're not.

Just because Acclaim still published comics set in the VH 1 continuity and kept the same people that worked at Voyager Communications does not mean that Acclaim and Voyager were the same companies.

Just because VEI published Q2 does not make them the same company as Acclaim.

[Ryan]

And what I'm saying is that what appears on the printed page (continuity) has no relevance to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same companies; they're not.

Just because Acclaim still published comics set in the VH 1 continuity and kept the same people that worked at Voyager Communications does not mean that Acclaim and Voyager were the same companies.

Just because VEI published Q2 does not make them the same company as Acclaim.

Ok, Alien and DMG are not the same company. DMG is a multi-media company that owns the Valiant characters as media properties. Alien Books is a company that produces comic books. DMG has contracted Alien Books to produce their comics based on the Valiant characters that they own.

Are we all in agreement on those facts?

[ManofTheAtom]

And what I'm saying is that what appears on the printed page (continuity) has no relevance to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same companies; they're not.

Just because Acclaim still published comics set in the VH 1 continuity and kept the same people that worked at Voyager Communications does not mean that Acclaim and Voyager were the same companies.

Just because VEI published Q2 does not make them the same company as Acclaim.

Ok, Alien and DMG are not the same company. DMG is a multi-media company that owns the Valiant characters as media properties. Alien Books is a company that produces comic books. DMG has contracted Alien Books to produce their comics based on the Valiant characters that they own.

Are we all in agreement on those facts?

I don't know if DMG sought Alien out to make the comics or if Alien sought DMG out to license them, but yes, that is what happened.

You may finally accept the distinction, but others on this thread never will.

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

I want to catch up from where I left off, but haven't had the time to do it.

[Ryan]

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

[SouthernComicGeek]

I thought Mico had made a mistake on the cover when he drew Flamingo on the cover. I guess not One of the things back in the day that attracted me to Valiant was if someone died they stayed dead. Also it's not like Flamingo is a XO or Shadowman sized character it's like why bother.

[ManofTheAtom]

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

[Ryan]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

I want to catch up from where I left off, but haven't had the time to do it.

If you have time to post on Valiant comics message board, you have time to read ONE Alien-Valiant comic. I can't imagine how these new comics are so important to you, but somehow not important enough to carve out 5 minutes to read one. Literally, they aren't long reads.

[ManofTheAtom]

I thought Mico had made a mistake on the cover when he drew Flamingo on the cover. I guess not One of the things back in the day that attracted me to Valiant was if someone died they stayed dead. Also it's not like Flamingo is a XO or Shadowman sized character it's like why bother.

Well, keep in mind that the premise of Resurgence is that Dr. Silk gifts the world with immortality and somesuch. His using this technology -- whatever it may be -- to bring back the dead as a proof of concept makes sense.

It remains to be seen what will happen now that she's back. She may not be her old self, she may be evil or whatever. We'll see as the series unfolds.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

I want to catch up from where I left off, but haven't had the time to do it.

If you have time to post on Valiant comics message board, you have time to read ONE Alien-Valiant comic. I can't imagine how these new comics are so important to you, but somehow not important enough to carve out 5 minutes to read one. Literally, they aren't long reads.

I haven't posted here in the last few weeks. The board has been considerably inactive until this spat.

[Ryan]

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

Read the comics, have an opinion. People are entitled to have their opinions on this board. If you disagree, read the comics and dispute their opinions with facts from READING THE COMICS.

[ManofTheAtom]

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

Read the comics, have an opinion. People are entitled to have their opinions on this board. If you disagree, read the comics and dispute their opinions with facts from READING THE COMICS.

Not relevant to the point.

You accused me of shilling for Alien. I'm telling you that I wasn't shilling, All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.