Question about the new X-O run

[TheeBaldMoose]

If he does come back to earth, at what earth time would he arrive?

This one is easy.... it will be about HWARS2 time.

By the end of issue #9 there will be no one left on Planet Gorin anyway, then comes the interlude, and the final arc is called Visigoth!

At this time I believe the events of HW2 will cause him to leave earth.
I believe he may return in the future,....X-O vs Rai or Psi-Lords.

I hope there is a reason he is on Gorin, even if he doesn't know the reason.
At the end of this run, we may find out Aric started some chain reaction that he can't see.

I warn you, if we are talking Time Dilation, then there is no going back to earth in time to be in HW2. With the looks of his age, I'd say he traveled near 10LY (added ten years to himself). There is no going back equal to or lesser age than what he is right now. AND, if he aged 10 years, that means, depending on just how fast he was traveling (closer to the speed of light), the universe around him aged at a much greater speed

[Sunlight on Snow]

If he does come back to earth, at what earth time would he arrive?

This one is easy.... it will be about HWARS2 time.

By the end of issue #9 there will be no one left on Planet Gorin anyway, then comes the interlude, and the final arc is called Visigoth!

At this time I believe the events of HW2 will cause him to leave earth.
I believe he may return in the future,....X-O vs Rai or Psi-Lords.

I hope there is a reason he is on Gorin, even if he doesn't know the reason.
At the end of this run, we may find out Aric started some chain reaction that he can't see.

But he has left Earth already. It is mentioned during Bloodshot U.S.A. that X-O isn't responding anymore.

[Keith]

If he does come back to earth, at what earth time would he arrive?

This one is easy.... it will be about HWARS2 time.

By the end of issue #9 there will be no one left on Planet Gorin anyway, then comes the interlude, and the final arc is called Visigoth!

At this time I believe the events of HW2 will cause him to leave earth.
I believe he may return in the future,....X-O vs Rai or Psi-Lords.

I hope there is a reason he is on Gorin, even if he doesn't know the reason.
At the end of this run, we may find out Aric started some chain reaction that he can't see.

But he has left Earth already. It is mentioned during Bloodshot U.S.A. that X-O isn't responding anymore.

Something that Warren Simons called out specifically as a sign that X-O has left Earth.

[jmatt]

Continuity nerds.

I don't have the brainspace to process all of this. I'll come back when it's all been worked out and read the Cliff Notes version.

[Dr. Solar]

I was initially thinking that the reason X-O left Earth would be the events of Harbinger Wars 2, but that seems to be incorrect, and is instead what happens when he returns to Earth.

Let's keep in mind that the fifth arc of the current X-O Manowar series (after "Visigoth") is "Harbinger Wars 2", so the current events in X-O are happening before Harbinger Wars 2.

[SuperMage]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

2) Aric is cheating on Saana. It seems like a big theme is everyone trying to make him feel guilty for abandoning his pregnant wife. He left her behind. Plain, and simple. People cheat, you don't need a magical explanation for something that happens all the time. Maybe they decided to take a break, and agreed to see other people. Again it happens. Who knows, maybe they're swingers.

3) We don't know what time period Psi-Lords will be set in, or how much it will have in common with the original series. It could be a complete reimagining like Secret Weapons. Fall of Bloodshot made it clear the Psi-Lords have been active long before 4001 AD. For all we know the upcoming mini could be set in present day, and be about alien psiots.

I'm of the opinion time just moves faster on Gorin. Nothing else. Sanaa will still on Earth waiting to slap Aric across the face, or he walks in on her and Volo getting it on. Then we'll see the fallout of Aric becoming Emperor of an alien race(s).

[Chiclo]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

[SuperMage]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

Yeah, that's something that occurred to me. Time dilation is pretty simple but the idea of time being drastically faster in a concentrated area is a lot hard to explain. It's a concept that would work in a more "soft" science fiction setting.

Maybe there is a time travel element to this run on X-O involving the Psi-Lords, or maybe we're overestimating how much time Aric has been on Gorin. Bloodshot says a year passed since Kay''s death, and in Satlinverse X-O says he's been on Earth for years, but according to the official time line everything that happened between Death of a Renegade and Judgement of Solomon took place in 6 months.

[Sunlight on Snow]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

Yeah, that's something that occurred to me. Time dilation is pretty simple but the idea of time being drastically faster in a concentrated area is a lot hard to explain. It's a concept that would work in a more "soft" science fiction setting.

Maybe there is a time travel element to this run on X-O involving the Psi-Lords, or maybe we're overestimating how much time Aric has been on Gorin. Bloodshot says a year passed since Kay''s death, and in Satlinverse X-O says he's been on Earth for years, but according to the official time line everything that happened between Death of a Renegade and Judgement of Solomon took place in 6 months.

What's the official timeline?

[Keith]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

Yeah, that's something that occurred to me. Time dilation is pretty simple but the idea of time being drastically faster in a concentrated area is a lot hard to explain. It's a concept that would work in a more "soft" science fiction setting.

Maybe there is a time travel element to this run on X-O involving the Psi-Lords, or maybe we're overestimating how much time Aric has been on Gorin. Bloodshot says a year passed since Kay''s death, and in Satlinverse X-O says he's been on Earth for years, but according to the official time line everything that happened between Death of a Renegade and Judgement of Solomon took place in 6 months.

Ugh... we've officially hit it. The timeline is jacked up as spelt out in the comics. Bloodshot USA says it was one year between The Valiant and BSUSA. Harbinger Renegade says it's been six month since the fall of the Harbinger Foundation and that Bloodshot USA just recently occurred. However, The Valiant takes place after the fall of the Foundation. So what BSUSA says occurs over the course of a year magically takes place within the 6 month timeframe in Harbinger Renegade.

Continuity.Nerd.Convulsions.Commencing.

[Sunlight on Snow]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

Yeah, that's something that occurred to me. Time dilation is pretty simple but the idea of time being drastically faster in a concentrated area is a lot hard to explain. It's a concept that would work in a more "soft" science fiction setting.

Maybe there is a time travel element to this run on X-O involving the Psi-Lords, or maybe we're overestimating how much time Aric has been on Gorin. Bloodshot says a year passed since Kay''s death, and in Satlinverse X-O says he's been on Earth for years, but according to the official time line everything that happened between Death of a Renegade and Judgement of Solomon took place in 6 months.

Ugh... we've officially hit it. The timeline is jacked up as spelt out in the comics. Bloodshot USA says it was one year between The Valiant and BSUSA. Harbinger Renegade says it's been six month since the fall of the Harbinger Foundation and that Bloodshot USA just recently occurred. However, The Valiant takes place after the fall of the Foundation. So what BSUSA says occurs over the course of a year magically takes place within the 6 month timeframe in Harbinger Renegade.

Continuity.Nerd.Convulsions.Commencing.

Based on this it's absolutely possible that 1 Earth second equals 2 Gorin seconds.

[SuperMage]

Ugh... we've officially hit it. The timeline is jacked up as spelt out in the comics. Bloodshot USA says it was one year between The Valiant and BSUSA. Harbinger Renegade says it's been six month since the fall of the Harbinger Foundation and that Bloodshot USA just recently occurred. However, The Valiant takes place after the fall of the Foundation. So what BSUSA says occurs over the course of a year magically takes place within the 6 month timeframe in Harbinger Renegade.

Continuity.Nerd.Convulsions.Commencing.

There's also the given ages of the young adult characters. Gamete is shown be fully developed in the Generation Zero series, but when she was found by the Zeroes it was clear that her mother had only recently found out she was pregnant. The discussion between the Zygos Twins, and Kesha made it clear Gamete could have been born already, but she's chosen to remain in her mother's womb. Human pregnancies take nine months, and the Zygos Twins seem to imply nine months have already passed for Gamete.

So it's been nine months for Gamete since Death of a Renegade/Armor Hunters. A year for Bloodshot. Six months for the Harbinger Renegades. Ninjak's ongoing took place after the events of the Valiant, and it was made clear his take over of Weaponeer took place over the course of several months. Archer & Armstrong entered the Faraway, and then disappeared for six months. When they returned Bloodshot was working with H.A.R.D. Corps. Peter, and X-O are both present during the events of Stalinverse despite never being on Earth at the same time following the events of Armor Hunters. And now Aric has been off Earth for an indeterminate period of time, possibly years, except he went missing from Earth briefly before the events of Bloodshot U.S.A. which we know happened during the six month timeline between Harada's fall, and Solomon's rise. Meaning everything happening between the Renegades return, and the events of Harbinger Wars 2 is implied to take place over the course a month or a few week. Aric briefly disappeared right before the Renegades came back, but for some reason several years have passed for him.

HEADCANON: So basically everyone is on their own timeline. Somehow. Maybe. We have to wait, and see how they explain what the deal is with the passage of time for Aric, which is a question to lead to this very thread. The other threads can be handwaved from a matter of perspective. Maybe The Valiant took place in the middle of December. If Bloodshot found himself fighting Deathmate six months later then technically Kay did die last year. Some people would say that happened a year ago, technically. Ninjak's ongoing can be handwaved by the fact that we don't know when Colin began his mission to infiltrate Weaponeer. Maybe he started it before The Immortal Enemy even showed up, and the events of the Valiant take place after Colin returned from being deep undercover. Maybe Stalinverse happened at the magical moment when both Aric, and Peter were in the same solar system together. Peter can't remember being brought back to Earth briefly, because Divinity reset everyone's memories. So he thought he was in space the whole time. Gamete was already three months in when the Zeroes found her. The events of Archer & Armstrong's series actually started before any of the other launching titles, or at least Harbinger/Bloodshot. The Sect Civil War storyline is when Archer & Armstrong get caught up with the other heroes of the Valiant Universe. HEADCANON

Obviously this is just how I personally explain it. Their is no official timeline encompassing the entire Valiant universe. Each individual book seems to have its own calendar. We can work out most of the details with our imagination, and figure out how everything fits around the six months. For now we'll just have to keep speculating what the deal is with Aric right now. Maybe Matt Kindt's entire first year of X-O takes places in a single month. Aric just grows facial hair really fast.

Ugh... we've officially hit it. The timeline is jacked up as spelt out in the comics. Bloodshot USA says it was one year between The Valiant and BSUSA. Harbinger Renegade says it's been six month since the fall of the Harbinger Foundation and that Bloodshot USA just recently occurred. However, The Valiant takes place after the fall of the Foundation. So what BSUSA says occurs over the course of a year magically takes place within the 6 month timeframe in Harbinger Renegade.

Continuity.Nerd.Convulsions.Commencing.

Crisis averted. Handwave everything with headcanon.

[jmatt]

1) On the subject of time dilation I think a simpler explanation would be that Gorin's solar system rotates at a faster rate than Earth's. Meaning a year on Earth could be years on Gorin. Time is relative to where you are in space. Time could simply flow faster in Gorin's solar system, explaining Aric's age up.

That solar system would have to be rotating pretty fast to start moving relativistically. Like faster than 0.1c.

Different planets in our solar system take different amounts of time to move around the sun but a thousand seconds on Earth is the same as a thousand seconds on Uranus, Neptune or Eris. A thousand seconds on Earth would be the same as a thousand seconds on Gorin or Cardassia or Centauri Prime.

I was gonna do it but I knew you'd show up. Moreover, time slows down at relativistic speeds. The theory here is that Gorin's time is faster, not slower.