Marvel Legacy

[greatbrandino11]

the new numbering schemes have been going on for a whle relaunch a new number one after a few years add it up to the old numbering and continue as before

I wish you were an Iron Man fan. You'd understand how incomprehensible the re-volumes, and renumberings of that book have become. And I'm saying this even as an Iron Man scholar of sorts. Marvel publishing lineup is a complete mess because of the last ten years of their "throw *SQUEE* at the wall to see what sticks in sales" mentality. Now, ten years later they have a wall covered in *SQUEE*.

As a person who has purchased all these different Iron Man series - Iron Patriot, Superior Iron Man, 2.0, Legacy, International Iron Man, Marvel Now, Infamous Iron Man, and several different Invincible Iron Man series - I can agree with this statement. The last time I felt truly satisfied with the direction of Iron Man was with Fraction's run.

[dornwolf]

the new numbering schemes have been going on for a whle relaunch a new number one after a few years add it up to the old numbering and continue as before

I wish you were an Iron Man fan. You'd understand how incomprehensible the re-volumes, and renumberings of that book have become. And I'm saying this even as an Iron Man scholar of sorts. Marvel publishing lineup is a complete mess because of the last ten years of their "throw *SQUEE* at the wall to see what sticks in sales" mentality. Now, ten years later they have a wall covered in *SQUEE*.

As a person who has purchased all these different Iron Man series - Iron Patriot, Superior Iron Man, 2.0, Legacy, International Iron Man, Marvel Now, Infamous Iron Man, and several different Invincible Iron Man series - I can agree with this statement. The last time I felt truly satisfied with the direction of Iron Man was with Fraction's run.

I was good with Fraction right up until he pulled the adopted son stuff.

[greatbrandino11]

the new numbering schemes have been going on for a whle relaunch a new number one after a few years add it up to the old numbering and continue as before

I wish you were an Iron Man fan. You'd understand how incomprehensible the re-volumes, and renumberings of that book have become. And I'm saying this even as an Iron Man scholar of sorts. Marvel publishing lineup is a complete mess because of the last ten years of their "throw *SQUEE* at the wall to see what sticks in sales" mentality. Now, ten years later they have a wall covered in *SQUEE*.

As a person who has purchased all these different Iron Man series - Iron Patriot, Superior Iron Man, 2.0, Legacy, International Iron Man, Marvel Now, Infamous Iron Man, and several different Invincible Iron Man series - I can agree with this statement. The last time I felt truly satisfied with the direction of Iron Man was with Fraction's run.

I was good with Fraction right up until he pulled the adopted son stuff.

That's Gillen's series. He followed Fraction's run. I do agree with you though.

[dornwolf]

the new numbering schemes have been going on for a whle relaunch a new number one after a few years add it up to the old numbering and continue as before

I wish you were an Iron Man fan. You'd understand how incomprehensible the re-volumes, and renumberings of that book have become. And I'm saying this even as an Iron Man scholar of sorts. Marvel publishing lineup is a complete mess because of the last ten years of their "throw *SQUEE* at the wall to see what sticks in sales" mentality. Now, ten years later they have a wall covered in *SQUEE*.

As a person who has purchased all these different Iron Man series - Iron Patriot, Superior Iron Man, 2.0, Legacy, International Iron Man, Marvel Now, Infamous Iron Man, and several different Invincible Iron Man series - I can agree with this statement. The last time I felt truly satisfied with the direction of Iron Man was with Fraction's run.

I was good with Fraction right up until he pulled the adopted son stuff.

That's Gillen's series. He followed Fraction's run. I do agree with you though.

You are absolutely right, Fractions was the Civil War clean up run.

[IMJ]

It's, unfortunately hard for me to believe anything anyone at Marvel says about their direction anymore.

I may not truly embrace a Marvel title again before a book reaches 100 issues of contiguously numbered publication. And even then there remains my feelings regarding their social direction, and what choice words Marvel used to implement that direction over the last few years. I'm hard pressed to give their publishing line at-large any financial support.

For me, it's not only about going back to core characters, but rather what I sense was in the hearts and minds of many of Marvel's top leadership and many of their creative staff during their period of cultural appropriation and social justice.

[grendeljd]

This whole "SJW Marvel" is a load of crap. Marvel trolls their fans to get a rise out of them with stuff like:

Iron Man is dead and is replaced by a teenage black girl.
Captain America is a Hydra agent.
Wolverine is dead and is replaced by daughter and by an old man version from alternate timeline.
The Avengers are dead replaced by a group of supervillains.

If any of you actually believed that any of these changes or stunts would be permit then you are an idiot.

Or you get mad because Marvel turned a turned a third string character that no one cared about like Miss America in a bisexual Latino woman, or Pakistani-American teenager Ms. Marvel, and so on and they actually did something with that character you need to grow the f**k up.

Marvel isn't pandering to some "SJW liberal agenda" because that is a load nonsense, they pander to those who have money now and in 20 years. they trying to market their characters to a new younger audience that is more open-minded and wants to see themselves reflected in the media not to 40+ white guys who just want the same old characters in the same old stories but to their kids who are the next generation of comic book readers.

The same with DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, IDW, and every other major publisher. Our day has the top dogs who comic book publishers pander to are just about done and frankly how we've acted as a fandom that is a GREAT thing because we acted like spoiled entitled brats and I say it's now it's time to let the next generation have their characters and stories their way without us dragging the comic book industry backwards.

Okay, so I *think* what you're saying is that Marvel is not looking to just pander to anything so simple-minded or derogatory as a "SJW Agenda". And if I understand correctly, you do support the idea of them targeting their books at a younger, more diverse audience - meaning that the changes they are making aren't for a specific social agenda but to reach a different & younger audience.

I agree with that sentiment - as an older comic fan myself, I don't need to have everything targeted at me & my comfort zone specifically in order to qualify something as being good. Personally, with rare exceptions, I do not buy any new Marvel comics anymore - and I'm okay with that. I've already got thousands of comics from decades worth of collecting this stuff - I don't really need anymore new ones re-telling the same *SQUEE* I've already read numerous times over the years. These comics are essentially meant for young people to enjoy [and always have been], even when they evolved to a more mature level over the years from where they started out in the 60's. I'm not that young anymore! Let the torch be passed on already!

I am happy to remain a passionate fan of comics because the medium itself is *so* diverse that it does not strictly have to be limited to one or two major superhero universe' worth of characters. ANY story from ANY genre can be told in this medium. All of my current top favourite new regular comics have absolutely nothing to do with Marvel or DC or superheroes *period*, and yet I can STILL find over a dozen comics per month to get really excited about. I hold no animosity towards Marvel or DC for what they do anymore, its just not important enough to bother. I simply choose not to support them in general & move on. Comics can outlast Marvel & DC.

[greatbrandino11]

It's, unfortunately hard for me to believe anything anyone at Marvel says about their direction anymore.

I may not truly embrace a Marvel title again before a book reaches 100 issues of contiguously numbered publication. And even then there remains my feelings regarding their social direction, and what choice words Marvel used to implement that direction over the last few years. I'm hard pressed to give their publishing line at-large any financial support.

For me, it's not only about going back to core characters, but rather what I sense was in the hearts and minds of many of Marvel's top leadership and many of their creative staff during their period of cultural appropriation and social justice.

I've been with Tony since the 80s so I can't stop my journey yet. I am trying to figure out how I am going to justify paying $3600 for 2 variant covers (Remastered & Remastered B&W) to my wife. Discount Comic Book Service has pre-orders available and they are asking $1200 for one $2400 for the other. Wow!

[ShadowTuga]

I am happy to remain a passionate fan of comics because the medium itself is *so* diverse that it does not strictly have to be limited to one or two major superhero universe' worth of characters. ANY story from ANY genre can be told in this medium.

Comics/Manga/BD are a freaking awesome medium, and its sort of a shame that many people are way more fans of characters than of the art itself. The US superhero genre is way bigger than anything else, in terms of international recognition and fandom, but - at least in Europe - there are a lot of Euro and Japanese comics fans. The biggest festival in Europe (Amadora BD) is in my old town, and the supers can only be found on a sales booth. Every year has a different theme, and Superheroes was actually one of them a couple of years ago- we had a glass box with Amazing Fantasy #15 and a real live Tarantula for the kicks. My point is, it seems to me that "comics are not just superheroes" is something that almost everyone from this side agrees on. The huge boost that "indie writing" is getting with the success of Image might have changed the NA market, but I still get the idea that american comics' fans are way less than american superhero comics' fans. The sales say it so- TWD might sell a LOT, but he ain't no DC or Marvel, consistently.

You can always find an Asterix or Tintin TPB on every gas station with a convenience store, but the supers' monthlies, not so much. Superhero series have been coming and going like nobody is reading them. I only hear X or Y was cancelled, "no more Marvel monthly books", etc., while on the side, Disney makes a buck, even after all these years. It is still the go-to thing to shut an infant during a long car journey.
The old Marvel/DC stuff has a market, in the form of hardcovers and tpbs but it is a rare case of a generation or 2 of fans who just want to read/reread the stories they did in their childhood/teens.
I don't think 10-12 yo kids want to read about these characters, they prefer to play a videogame with them or see a movie, cartoon, etc. It's a different world from our time.

My personal take:
If there were no stories drawn by Neal Adams or Jim Aparo, if we did not have books like The Dark Knight Returns, Year One or The Long Halloween, I would not be a Batman fan, but I would still read comics. Tons of comics.

[IMJ]

It's, unfortunately hard for me to believe anything anyone at Marvel says about their direction anymore.

I may not truly embrace a Marvel title again before a book reaches 100 issues of contiguously numbered publication. And even then there remains my feelings regarding their social direction, and what choice words Marvel used to implement that direction over the last few years. I'm hard pressed to give their publishing line at-large any financial support.

For me, it's not only about going back to core characters, but rather what I sense was in the hearts and minds of many of Marvel's top leadership and many of their creative staff during their period of cultural appropriation and social justice.

I've been with Tony since the 80s so I can't stop my journey yet. I am trying to figure out how I am going to justify paying $3600 for 2 variant covers (Remastered & Remastered B&W) to my wife. Discount Comic Book Service has pre-orders available and they are asking $1200 for one $2400 for the other. Wow!

That'd be pretty hard core to order two modern variants for $3600, man! I say go for it! YOLO on that journey you mentioned....

[slym2none]

I read this thread and never want to read another Marvel title ever again. It makes me ashamed to have the old-style X-Men logo tattooed on my shoulder.

I should get it lased off...





-slym

[possumgrease]

I read this thread and never want to read another Marvel title ever again. It makes me ashamed to have the old-style X-Men logo tattooed on my shoulder.

I should get it lased off...





-slym

Nah, just add “All new, All different” above it.

[slym2none]

That would be even more of a travesty... wouldn't want anyone to think I was referring to this new age.



-slym

[dornwolf]

I read this thread and never want to read another Marvel title ever again. It makes me ashamed to have the old-style X-Men logo tattooed on my shoulder.

I should get it lased off...





-slym

Nah, just add “All new, All different” above it.

Or what ever the new new slogan is

EDIT: Took a bit but "Fresh Start" is the new name.

[slym2none]

Total travesty. Just no.



-slym