September 2014 Sales Discussion

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:12 pm

lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:

Not sure if I'll buy it, though. It might be the first VEI book I pass on.
+1

Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:13 pm

BugsySig wrote:Q2 will sell out. Probably at or near 12k. Take your average VALIANT fan + your Q&W fans + your Classic Q&W fan + your Priest fans + a #1 issue boost and the issue will do well.

I disagree. I think it'll be the worst debut issue VEI has had. There's a huge overlap in the first three demographics you mentioned, so much so that I don't think they can be considered separate. Q&W fans already know they're making Q&W comics again and sales are pretty sad so far. Priest and Bright have their fans, but I think the draw there is negligible. That coupled with the fact that it's out of current continuity miniseries make this one a dud from the get go, in my opinion. As always, I'd love to be proven wrong. I think Q2 is basically a bone-throw to Doc and Priest.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Tim wrote:
BugsySig wrote:Q2 will sell out. Probably at or near 12k. Take your average VALIANT fan + your Q&W fans + your Classic Q&W fan + your Priest fans + a #1 issue boost and the issue will do well.
I disagree. I think it'll be the worst debut issue VEI has had. There's a huge overlap in the first three demographics you mentioned, so much so that I don't think they can be considered separate. Q&W fans already know they're making Q&W comics again and sales are pretty sad so far. Priest and Bright have their fans, but I think the draw there is negligible. That coupled with the fact that it's out of current continuity miniseries make this one a dud from the get go, in my opinion. As always, I'd love to be proven wrong. I think Q2 is basically a bone-throw to Doc and Priest.

I'd agree there's some overlap in all the groups, but also a chance to spread out to the parts that don't overlap: some intrigued fans of the current Q&W, some lapsed classic fans coming back into the fold, and some VALIANT fans who don't like the current Q&W but will dig the nostalgia of the classic version. On other boards it gets a lot of traffic. Priest has a lot of fans who will buy this who dont ordinarily read VALIANT as well.

jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:34 pm

If they didn't think Q2 would do well, I seriously doubt they'd be putting out the Omnibus.

Captain Craig · Post by **Captain Craig** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:08 pm

BugsySig wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:

Not sure if I'll buy it, though. It might be the first VEI book I pass on.
+1
Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.

I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:59 pm

Captain Craig wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:

Not sure if I'll buy it, though. It might be the first VEI book I pass on.
+1
Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.
I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.

If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:10 pm

BugsySig wrote:
Captain Craig wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:

Not sure if I'll buy it, though. It might be the first VEI book I pass on.
+1
Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.
I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.
If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.

+1

hawkeyeps · Post by **hawkeyeps** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:15 pm

lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Captain Craig wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:

Not sure if I'll buy it, though. It might be the first VEI book I pass on.
+1
Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.
I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.
If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.
+1

Then...Potato Car

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:31 pm

hawkeyeps wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Captain Craig wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
lorddunlow wrote: +1
Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.
I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.
If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.
+1
Then...Potato Car

That was supposed to be a car?!?!

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:42 pm

BugsySig wrote:
hawkeyeps wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Captain Craig wrote:
BugsySig wrote: Yeah, I just never really read the original as it never fit in with the VEI that I loved (I also wasnt into satire at the time, though I appreciate it now). So I have no particular attachment to the P + B run that draws me to this version. And at this point, I buy enough VALIANT to not feel obligated to buy it in support of the company.
I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.
If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.
+1
Then...Potato Car
That was supposed to be a car?!?!

I thought it was a bar of soap

hawkeyeps · Post by **hawkeyeps** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:58 pm

ilzuccone wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
hawkeyeps wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Captain Craig wrote: I'm almost there....almost.
I am buying it more out of support of the company than any true appreciation, even modest, for the Q&W run...any Q&W run.
If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.
+1
Then...Potato Car
That was supposed to be a car?!?!
I thought it was a bar of soap

What bothers me most (there are a lot of things) is what the hell is Woody holding on to? The door handle is drawn and it's like a foot and half from where his hands are.

Maybe he also has limited fridge magnet powers

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:50 am

hawkeyeps wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
hawkeyeps wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote: If it wasn't for A&A being included, I might have passed on The Delinquents. Q&W is the one title I can really do without and not mind. Too bad, because I was very pleasantly surprised by Asmus' first arc and was poised to become a fan.
+1
Then...Potato Car
That was supposed to be a car?!?!
I thought it was a bar of soap
What bothers me most (there are a lot of things) is what the hell is Woody holding on to? The door handle is drawn and it's like a foot and half from where his hands are.

Maybe he also has limited fridge magnet powers

wait, wait, wait...go back...THAT WAS A CAR!?!?

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:41 pm

BugsySig wrote:
hawkeyeps wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
hawkeyeps wrote:
lorddunlow wrote: +1
Then...Potato Car
That was supposed to be a car?!?!
I thought it was a bar of soap
What bothers me most (there are a lot of things) is what the hell is Woody holding on to? The door handle is drawn and it's like a foot and half from where his hands are.

Maybe he also has limited fridge magnet powers
wait, wait, wait...go back...THAT WAS A CAR!?!?

krylox · Post by **krylox** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:52 pm

indie sales analysis for july

http://comicsbeat.com/indie-month-to-mo ... ll-archie/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

valiant get also pretty much thrashed in the commentaries. i really, really hope that the 2015 initiative can be the turnaround for the company in the eyes of fans and retailers.
i think the whole armor hunters x-over and mini-series relaunch strategy is a massive sales disappointment, saleswise. it's a pity, since it's pretty enjoyable. but the past year was one very confusing and sometimes frustrating publishing initiative for fans and retailers alike.
really, i mean, the numbers don't lie.

like i said, i really hope (and also believe) that 2015 could and should really serve as a relaunch of sorts. this is something which should be communicated in the proper way to retailers AND, very importantly, i'd also prefer only the very strong books to be released. it's better to have only top notch books on the stand every month, than having every major character being published however mediocre the results (i'm looking at q&w and shadowman here). i think now ithe most important thing is to win back the confidence of retailers.

krylox · Post by **krylox** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:56 pm

i'm very, very curious about how "the valiant" will be ordered by retailers. i think, this will be a benchmark for the valiant next initiative.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:19 pm

krylox wrote:indie sales analysis for july

http://comicsbeat.com/indie-month-to-mo ... ll-archie/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

valiant get also pretty much thrashed in the commentaries. i really, really hope that the 2015 initiative can be the turnaround for the company in the eyes of fans and retailers.
i think the whole armor hunters x-over and mini-series relaunch strategy is a massive sales disappointment, saleswise. it's a pity, since it's pretty enjoyable. but the past year was one very confusing and sometimes frustrating publishing initiative for fans and retailers alike.
really, i mean, the numbers don't lie.

like i said, i really hope (and also believe) that 2015 could and should really serve as a relaunch of sorts. this is something which should be communicated in the proper way to retailers AND, very importantly, i'd also prefer only the very strong books to be released. it's better to have only top notch books on the stand every month, than having every major character being published however mediocre the results (i'm looking at q&w and shadowman here). i think now ithe most important thing is to win back the confidence of retailers.

Whew....that comments section in BRUTAL.

Bone-A-Fach-ee · Post by **Bone-A-Fach-ee** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:36 pm

No doom and gloom. Look at Archie! They were like #6 2 months ago. Now they're #12, or so. It's not really an indicator. Valiant, and others will be back up next month when DC doesn't abnormally take 40% marketshare with some silly gimmick month.
You don't see people groaning about Marvel not being #1 this month. Guess what, they will be again next month, and Valiant will be doing better as well.
No worries.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:49 pm

Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote:No doom and gloom. Look at Archie! They were like #6 2 months ago. Now they're #12, or so. It's not really an indicator. Valiant, and others will be back up next month when DC doesn't abnormally take 40% marketshare with some silly gimmick month.
You don't see people groaning about Marvel not being #1 this month. Guess what, they will be again next month, and Valiant will be doing better as well.
No worries.

I think you meant "ALL IS LOST!! VEI IS DOOOOMED!"

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:20 am

Tim wrote:
BugsySig wrote:As always, I'd love to be proven wrong. I think Q2 is basically a bone-throw to Doc and Priest.

Agreed. It's the first book I won't be buying. And I love VEI Q+W, just stay away from anything Acclaim on principle.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:31 am

krylox wrote:really, i mean, the incomplete, index-based numbers don't lie.

Fixed that for you.

I'm not painting an 'everything is rosy' picture, but I think those numbers aren't as meaningful to Valiant as they are to us.

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:52 am

As a fan of the original Quantum & Woody, I'm glad that we get this resolution of sorts to the original series. And having just read it, I enjoyed the heck out of it. If I recall rightly, neither Priest nor Bright are active in comics these days, but that story was just fun from word go. They have not missed a beat, and this is definitely Priest's Woody, and not Asmus' Woody.

I know many are poo-poo'ing this title on principle, but, still, I hope everyone gives it a chance.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:27 am

The Beyonder wrote:
krylox wrote:really, i mean, the incomplete, index-based numbers don't lie.
Fixed that for you.

I'm not painting an 'everything is rosy' picture, but I think those numbers aren't as meaningful to Valiant as they are to us.

QFT

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:32 am

lorddunlow wrote:
The Beyonder wrote:
krylox wrote:really, i mean, the incomplete, index-based numbers don't lie.
Fixed that for you.

I'm not painting an 'everything is rosy' picture, but I think those numbers aren't as meaningful to Valiant as they are to us.
QFT

Before you agree with me, Dunlow (sorry, I don't recognize your lordship), you DO know I'm Canadian, right...?

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:33 am

The Beyonder wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
The Beyonder wrote:
krylox wrote:really, i mean, the incomplete, index-based numbers don't lie.
Fixed that for you.

I'm not painting an 'everything is rosy' picture, but I think those numbers aren't as meaningful to Valiant as they are to us.
QFT
Before you agree with me, Dunlow (sorry, I don't recognize your lordship), you DO know I'm Canadian, right...?

I'll let it slide just this once. Truth is beyond nationality.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:39 am

lorddunlow wrote:Truth is beyond nationality.

Spoken like Harada...

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