On the subject of Rob Liefeld

[slym2none]

Hmmm... Looks like Rob had some not so nice things to say about Valiant on Twitter. Jerk-store.

Such as...? Please, share them here.



-slym

[Keith]

After the recent Valiant article that ran in Vulture, Slate, and the New Yorker, Rob went on Twitter and said:

In response to the BS puff piece I read about a still dormant comic publisher this morning. Top 10 publishers.

He then posted an image of the Market Share for November, of which there is no sign of Valiant.

The money is running out on the investment and they need to look like they are relevant despite not landing a book in the top 200.

I bet I made more in royalties than this company made in revenue in 2014.

Although he never named Valiant, everyone responding to him clearly knew who she was talking about. Some of our peeps, Jkingman and Valiant Central, got into it with him, looks like he just started blocking everyone who responded pro-Valiant. And in an act of immense maturity, even began responding by acting confused as to what people were talking about. My personal favorite response was the guy who supplied the definition of "dormant" and pointing out that Valiant doesn't fit his description.

The fun thing is that Warren Simons then Tweeted later to no one in particular that Valiant was #11 in Market Share, and #8 in Unit Share, to which Dino responded with Liefeld added to the tweet. Liefeld then blocked Dino.

[lorddunlow]

What a tool

[grendeljd]

Haha! Wow, what an idiot!

[Psiot X]

After the recent Valiant article that ran in Vulture, Slate, and the New Yorker, Rob went on Twitter and said:

In response to the BS puff piece I read about a still dormant comic publisher this morning. Top 10 publishers.

He then posted an image of the Market Share for November, of which there is no sign of Valiant.

The money is running out on the investment and they need to look like they are relevant despite not landing a book in the top 200.

I bet I made more in royalties than this company made in revenue in 2014.

Although he never named Valiant, everyone responding to him clearly knew who she was talking about. Some of our peeps, Jkingman and Valiant Central, got into it with him, looks like he just started blocking everyone who responded pro-Valiant. And in an act of immense maturity, even began responding by acting confused as to what people were talking about. My personal favorite response was the guy who supplied the definition of "dormant" and pointing out that Valiant doesn't fit his description.

The fun thing is that Warren Simons then Tweeted later to no one in particular that Valiant was #11 in Market Share, and #8 in Unit Share, to which Dino responded with Liefeld added to the tweet. Liefeld then blocked Dino.

Why would Liefeld attack Valiant? Geesh it was such an arrogant, ugly, thing to do that I want to see him sent to a batsu game...

[depluto]

Passive-aggressive *SQUEE* are the worst.

[ilzuccone]

[leonmallett]

As a devout fan who both loves Liefeld's work and can't STAND his disappointing delays and unfinished storylines...I just have to point out that he STILL hasn't released his Kickstarter-funded SINGLE comic book of Brigade. A year or more later? Wrong...just wrong, Rob.

Not cool.

I backed it to, but assumed that Kickstarter projects often meet with delays, Liefeld projects often meet with delays, so accepted that the projected delivery date was meaningless and it would arrive when it arrives.

I am curious as to how he envisions his reboot of his stable of characters.

Didn't Image already reboot his characters?

He returned to Image with his characters; they remain his IP. Image doesn't own any characters, probably only their trademarks, logo etc., and whatever essential infra-structure they have, the creative side of things remains with individual creators.

[slym2none]

After the recent Valiant article that ran in Vulture, Slate, and the New Yorker, Rob went on Twitter and said:

In response to the BS puff piece I read about a still dormant comic publisher this morning. Top 10 publishers.

He then posted an image of the Market Share for November, of which there is no sign of Valiant.

The money is running out on the investment and they need to look like they are relevant despite not landing a book in the top 200.

I bet I made more in royalties than this company made in revenue in 2014.

Although he never named Valiant, everyone responding to him clearly knew who she was talking about. Some of our peeps, Jkingman and Valiant Central, got into it with him, looks like he just started blocking everyone who responded pro-Valiant. And in an act of immense maturity, even began responding by acting confused as to what people were talking about. My personal favorite response was the guy who supplied the definition of "dormant" and pointing out that Valiant doesn't fit his description.

The fun thing is that Warren Simons then Tweeted later to no one in particular that Valiant was #11 in Market Share, and #8 in Unit Share, to which Dino responded with Liefeld added to the tweet. Liefeld then blocked Dino.

Thanks for listing that.

And seriously, what a *SQUEE* Liefeld is.



-slym

[lorddunlow]

And seriously, what a *SQUEE* Liefeld is.



-slym

QFT

[Beware Cyclops]

I would have called Rob Liefeld a 2-bit hack but I just remembered that even a 2-bit hack can draw feet.

[Cyberstrike]

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

[ilzuccone]

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

am i wrong in remembering there are a few creators that aren't fond of vei? my guess is he's buddies with them. he did come out of that era and would probably be long time friends with other creators from '92

just a thought.

[dornwolf]

As a devout fan who both loves Liefeld's work and can't STAND his disappointing delays and unfinished storylines...I just have to point out that he STILL hasn't released his Kickstarter-funded SINGLE comic book of Brigade. A year or more later? Wrong...just wrong, Rob.

Not cool.

I backed it to, but assumed that Kickstarter projects often meet with delays, Liefeld projects often meet with delays, so accepted that the projected delivery date was meaningless and it would arrive when it arrives.

I am curious as to how he envisions his reboot of his stable of characters.

Didn't Image already reboot his characters?

He returned to Image with his characters; they remain his IP. Image doesn't own any characters, probably only their trademarks, logo etc., and whatever essential infra-structure they have, the creative side of things remains with individual creators.

Again though, didn't he already reboot/relaunch his characters.

After the recent Valiant article that ran in Vulture, Slate, and the New Yorker, Rob went on Twitter and said:

In response to the BS puff piece I read about a still dormant comic publisher this morning. Top 10 publishers.

He then posted an image of the Market Share for November, of which there is no sign of Valiant.

The money is running out on the investment and they need to look like they are relevant despite not landing a book in the top 200.

I bet I made more in royalties than this company made in revenue in 2014.

Although he never named Valiant, everyone responding to him clearly knew who she was talking about. Some of our peeps, Jkingman and Valiant Central, got into it with him, looks like he just started blocking everyone who responded pro-Valiant. And in an act of immense maturity, even began responding by acting confused as to what people were talking about. My personal favorite response was the guy who supplied the definition of "dormant" and pointing out that Valiant doesn't fit his description.

The fun thing is that Warren Simons then Tweeted later to no one in particular that Valiant was #11 in Market Share, and #8 in Unit Share, to which Dino responded with Liefeld added to the tweet. Liefeld then blocked Dino.

Well he better enjoy those X-men royalties while he can since Disney is pretty much punting the X-men since they don't own the movie rights.

[depluto]

You know, worse than the *SQUEE* move of taking shots at others in the industry was the way he tried to act like he wasn't really talking about Valiant. I think the guy's Twitter feed is interesting but that is a real *SQUEE* move.

I also think he looks like the dude from UB40 in the Red, Red Wine video.

[lorddunlow]

I also think he looks like the dude from UB40 in the Red, Red Wine video.

THIS!

[Psiot X]

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

am i wrong in remembering there are a few creators that aren't fond of vei? my guess is he's buddies with them. he did come out of that era and would probably be long time friends with other creators from '92

just a thought.

Valiant is an entirely different company with differing people now. It is what it is. Doesn't excuse the man. I guess he just wanted to brag about his wallet being bigger than small comic publishers trying to make a go of it when he is so big and all that. The SQUEE... Liefeld's only interactions with the old Valiant are pretty well covered in the Wikipedia article on Deathmate. Here it is for those curious. Jerk made the problems and blamed everyone else.

Wikipedia:

Although the issues of Deathmate produced by Valiant shipped on schedule, those produced by Image Comics did not, a problem that Image faced with many of its publications in its early years. The books were pre-ordered in heavy quantities by retailers, and when shipping dates were not met, distributors cancelled the original orders and required re-orders. By the time the last issues did arrive, some fans had lost interest, leaving retailers with unsold copies.[citation needed]

As a cross-promotion, two trading card companies also did a cross-over, Upper Deck and Topps. But, because of the deadline problems with Image Comics, Topps ended up backing out of the contract.[citation needed]

In a retrospective interview on the rise and fall of Valiant, Bob Layton (former editor in chief) lambasted the whole affair, regarding it as an "unmitigated disaster."[1] Valiant Editor in Chief Bob Layton, who says he had to fly to Los Angeles and literally sit on Liefeld's doorstep until Liefeld finished his penciled art for the Deathmate Prologue, and who then inked the artwork himself in an Anaheim hotel room. Layton stated, "What a pain in the *SQUEE* that was! There I was, with my own company to manage, and I was in California, managing someone else's people. I look back at it and can't believe some of the *SQUEE* I had to put up with as E.I.C. of Valiant. As far as failures, Deathmate and [Valiant promotion] Birthquake were unmitigated disasters. Not necessarily in the numbers, but in the consequences of their release...I think that Deathmate sounded the beginning of the problems, and when Image couldn't get their side of the cross-over out on time, it hurt everyone. I think [Valiant crossover] Chaos Effect the next summer was a decent idea, but there wasn't anything new to capture the audience's imagination. We made a specific mistake in choosing not to advertise during the summer of '93. Our books were almost too hot and we wanted to get more realistic numbers. Remember, we were the collectible company. That meant wealthier speculators buying cases of the stuff, hoping to sell it for ten times what they paid for it within a year. In some cases, they did! That's why there's so much of our output from that era on the market."[1]

"I literally had nothing to do with most of those projects," Layton revealed, "Deathmate was thrust upon us because (Steve) Massarsky and Jim Lee were best buddies at the time and had privately arranged the crossover."[1]

For retailers, Deathmate was harmful, due to the tying up of cash flow with books arriving late, especially given the $4.95 USD cover price (at the time, the average comic book cover price was less than half of that). Also due to waning fan interest, the re-orders were lower than initial orders. The Valiant Deathmate books (Prologue, Blue, and Yellow) had print runs of over 700,000 copies, but by the time Deathmate Red was released, it had a print run of 250,000, although retailers were nonetheless left with many unsold copies. At the time, comic book distributors would only allow unsold books to be returned if they were six months late. Retailers dealt constantly with late books from Image, which indirectly caused some comic book shops to close. Partially due to the lateness of Image publications, the window was eventually decreased to two months.[1]

End of quote.

Article Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathmate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ilzuccone]

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

Even IF Valiant is losing money (which I doubt) why should he care? Unless he has a reason to want VEI fail (or doesn't want a certain unholy crossover to reprinted) what is it too him?

am i wrong in remembering there are a few creators that aren't fond of vei? my guess is he's buddies with them. he did come out of that era and would probably be long time friends with other creators from '92

just a thought.

Valiant is an entirely different company with differing people now. It is what it is. Doesn't excuse the man. I guess he just wanted to brag about his wallet being bigger than small comic publishers trying to make a go of it when he is so big and all that. The SQUEE... Liefeld's only interactions with the old Valiant are pretty well covered in the Wikipedia article on Deathmate. Here it is for those curious. Jerk made the problems and blamed everyone else.

Wikipedia:

Although the issues of Deathmate produced by Valiant shipped on schedule, those produced by Image Comics did not, a problem that Image faced with many of its publications in its early years. The books were pre-ordered in heavy quantities by retailers, and when shipping dates were not met, distributors cancelled the original orders and required re-orders. By the time the last issues did arrive, some fans had lost interest, leaving retailers with unsold copies.[citation needed]

As a cross-promotion, two trading card companies also did a cross-over, Upper Deck and Topps. But, because of the deadline problems with Image Comics, Topps ended up backing out of the contract.[citation needed]

In a retrospective interview on the rise and fall of Valiant, Bob Layton (former editor in chief) lambasted the whole affair, regarding it as an "unmitigated disaster."[1] Valiant Editor in Chief Bob Layton, who says he had to fly to Los Angeles and literally sit on Liefeld's doorstep until Liefeld finished his penciled art for the Deathmate Prologue, and who then inked the artwork himself in an Anaheim hotel room. Layton stated, "What a pain in the *SQUEE* that was! There I was, with my own company to manage, and I was in California, managing someone else's people. I look back at it and can't believe some of the *SQUEE* I had to put up with as E.I.C. of Valiant. As far as failures, Deathmate and [Valiant promotion] Birthquake were unmitigated disasters. Not necessarily in the numbers, but in the consequences of their release...I think that Deathmate sounded the beginning of the problems, and when Image couldn't get their side of the cross-over out on time, it hurt everyone. I think [Valiant crossover] Chaos Effect the next summer was a decent idea, but there wasn't anything new to capture the audience's imagination. We made a specific mistake in choosing not to advertise during the summer of '93. Our books were almost too hot and we wanted to get more realistic numbers. Remember, we were the collectible company. That meant wealthier speculators buying cases of the stuff, hoping to sell it for ten times what they paid for it within a year. In some cases, they did! That's why there's so much of our output from that era on the market."[1]

"I literally had nothing to do with most of those projects," Layton revealed, "Deathmate was thrust upon us because (Steve) Massarsky and Jim Lee were best buddies at the time and had privately arranged the crossover."[1]

For retailers, Deathmate was harmful, due to the tying up of cash flow with books arriving late, especially given the $4.95 USD cover price (at the time, the average comic book cover price was less than half of that). Also due to waning fan interest, the re-orders were lower than initial orders. The Valiant Deathmate books (Prologue, Blue, and Yellow) had print runs of over 700,000 copies, but by the time Deathmate Red was released, it had a print run of 250,000, although retailers were nonetheless left with many unsold copies. At the time, comic book distributors would only allow unsold books to be returned if they were six months late. Retailers dealt constantly with late books from Image, which indirectly caused some comic book shops to close. Partially due to the lateness of Image publications, the window was eventually decreased to two months.[1]

End of quote.

Article Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathmate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ohh that's right I had read that a while ago. The dude is just a *SQUEE*.