The V2 X-O Manowar # 1 A.S.H. edition! (Surprise VcVSS!)

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:15 pm

i agree that making too many of them will severly lessen the "coolness" factor by quite a lot.

also, keep in mind that with valiant/acclaim being up in the air legally, it's possible (however, unlikely) that at some point someone might buy the properties and decide we're infringing on their turf.

some of these corporations are nuts about this stuff. i used to play the sims on my mac and there was a website called "skindex" (get your mind outta the gutter zeph!) where you could download "skins" of marvel, dc, etc. comic characters and have them in your game.

i loved it...the thought of superman, batman, flash, martian manhunter, wonder woman and aquaman all living in a house together killed me. they'd go to work...watch tv...read books...cook and set the house on fire...get their house broken into and their stuff stolen (the visual of batman coming home and finding the tv gone was absolutely PRICELESS!).

well eventually the corporate pitbulls in marvel legal department sent the webmaster a cease and desist order for unfair competition. which was insane because the site was totally free. there was no money being made. the fans of the game would make their own skins and post them on the board for free download. but they STILL got shut down.

the point is this is a fine line to walk. while i don't believe that bob layton or jim shooter would disapprove if they were still running things, they're not. we have no idea who might be looking at these characters.

i'd hate to see it come to that but it's something we need to keep in mind. i'm sure greg has already thought about all this and what the ramifications are. i'd just hate to have it appear that greg, or anyone for that matter, is making money off these copyrighted properties.

limited editions of 25 and 50 don't scare me...100+ does.

thats all just my opinion...feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:24 pm

100+ copys will draw attention...

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:27 pm

jedimarley wrote:100+ copys will draw attention...

Un needed attention

~The Unblessed Soul

dino · Post by **dino** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:19 pm

100 is too much. There were only 25 of these and 55 or so VH1 books seems close to the right number. I think Wrunow has got it spot on with a dutch auction.

elyhekrue it sucks that you havnt been able to get involved. Have you grabbed sonicdan's card/print series? Its gonna be one to get.

I'd also agree with those that say we need to slow these down, we don't want to lose the luster. Mind you, I'd love these and grab ever single one even if they are bi-weekly

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:26 pm

dino wrote:100 is too much. There were only 25 of these and 55 or so VH1 books seems close to the right number. I think Wrunow has got it spot on with a dutch auction.

A dutch auction on the boards or through e-bay? I don't know if either is a great idea cause lotsa people can collude to affect the price - up or down.

dino wrote:I'd also agree with those that say we need to slow these down, we don't want to lose the luster. Mind you, I'd love these and grab ever single one even if they are bi-weekly

Agreed! My pocket book is kinda feeling like one of those Wack-a-Mole games you see at Chuck E Cheese. One of these pops up and "Whack" there goes $ I didn't expect to spend and then another one pops up and man, I just gotta whack them darn Moles!

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:31 pm

I agree with some of the above mentioned statements and have a few more:

1) I think there should be a limit on the VcVSS books of no more than 50 copies. That should be enough to make them available to the board members with one for auction. Membership should have its privileges, right?

2) I think there should be some kind of posting rules to make a person available for a VcVSS book like Zeph said. Say 50 posts a month just to become eligible. Make the books available to the board members with the highest to lowest posts for the month in order. That way people who want to get a VcVSS will have to participate more to qualify for lower number (or whatever number they request) books. Greg should be given first dibs since it is his site.

3) I think there should be some kind of rules regarding the regularity of the VcVSS books. How does quarterly sound? That way they are still something special that you look forward to getting without saying "I have to get another one THIS MONTH?"

4) Greg should know about all the different people who are attempting to put together a VcVSS and the books they are working on. That way he can notify any people that are trying to make one for the same book. That way there will be no unknown duplication from people trying to keep their versions secret until they are completed. Everyone here knows Greg can be trusted to keep a secret.

5) Once people's VcVSS versions are complete there should be a timetable set for their release. That way all of the board members will know what books are being released and when. People will be able to budget accordingly if funds are tight and ther ewill be no more "SURPRISE" factor.

Since this is Greg's site he ultimately has the last say on everything - PERIOD. We all know him to be a fair and honest person. Without him we would not be here, right (well, at least on this message board

).

I am just throwing some things out there. What do you guys think?

Christopher Martin · Post by **Christopher Martin** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:12 am

You guys are ruining the fun with all your boozhwah "rules". I thought the surprise element was great, a nice stroke of luck for someone in the right place and right time. Viva la France!

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:15 am

Don't get me wrong and I hope I don't *SQUEE* anyone off.

With that said, check the boards, if you miss out, you miss out. Tough "S" I know its easy to say, but thats the truth. I would like to have seen a few more of the VcVSS/ASH project but, the gentleman that put it together wasn't sure how many would be interested in a VH2 signed book.

These are FAN PRODUCED. The general consensus is a majority of us bash VH2 (I do it everytime I look through back issues, but I still buy them/trade for them) and its goes to show that any future VcVSS/ASH project should try to be around 50 books. Besides, I wouldn't want any creators having to set and sign 100 books. 50 is pushing it and the logistics in selling, packaging, distributing and just getting them back is hard enough.

I think there should be a limits as to how many of these are going out, but I also think Greg should bless/grace the project with the certificates to keep him in the loop. if we are going to truely take these as legitamate VALIANTCOMICS.COM books.

I received tons of emails about getting on the list when I did mine last August. And I full well knew interest would peter out from the people that don't post regularly. I had open spaces available and they were filled.

Not everyone will get every book that is produced in conjunction with Valiantcomic.com agree or disagree, but thats just it.

-A

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:16 am

Christopher Martin wrote:You guys are ruining the fun with all your boozhwah "rules". I thought the surprise element was great, a nice stroke of luck for someone in the right place and right time. Viva la France!

I agree!

-J

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:42 am

architect wrote:Don't get me wrong and I hope I don't *SQUEE* anyone off.

With that said, check the boards, if you miss out, you miss out. Tough "S" I know its easy to say, but thats the truth. I would like to have seen a few more of the VcVSS/ASH project but, the gentleman that put it together wasn't sure how many would be interested in a VH2 signed book.

These are FAN PRODUCED. The general consensus is a majority of us bash VH2 (I do it everytime I look through back issues, but I still buy them/trade for them) and its goes to show that any future VcVSS/ASH project should try to be around 50 books. Besides, I wouldn't want any creators having to set and sign 100 books. 50 is pushing it and the logistics in selling, packaging, distributing and just getting them back is hard enough.

I think there should be a limits as to how many of these are going out, but I also think Greg should bless/grace the project with the certificates to keep him in the loop. if we are going to truely take these as legitamate VALIANTCOMICS.COM books.

I received tons of emails about getting on the list when I did mine last August. And I full well knew interest would peter out from the people that don't post regularly. I had open spaces available and they were filled.

Not everyone will get every book that is produced in conjunction with Valiantcomic.com agree or disagree, but thats just it.

-A

Well said Justin

I think, who ever takes point on any VcVSS should be able to conduct the distribution any way they see fit.

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:45 am

Chuck wrote:Well said Justin

I think, who ever takes point on any VcVSS should be able to conduct the distribution any way they see fit.

Thanks Chuck. Who ever takes forth the effort can do as he or she sees fit!

-A

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:05 am

k_c_collectibles wrote:Say 50 posts a month just to become eligible.

So if you became a member when the boards were relaunched in February, the minimum number of posts would be 650 and that means then, only 19 people out of the current 498 would be able to petition for one of these!

Crazy Talk

-A

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:19 am

What about some form of lottery system.
Lets face it , out of the 500 members only 200 post regular.
Greg should put all these names into a hat and the first 50 get the book.
Those who pass the next name out of the hat gets a shot at it.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:45 am

I'd say it's a lot less than 200.

COMICKINGS · Post by **COMICKINGS** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:28 am

jedimarley wrote:What about some form of lottery system.
Lets face it , out of the 500 members only 200 post regular.
Greg should put all these names into a hat and the first 50 get the book.
Those who pass the next name out of the hat gets a shot at it.

I agree with this.It's the fairest way to do it.Luck of the draw.Everybody has the same chance.If you don't get one,you'll know atleast you had a chance to.It's tough to be glued to this site hoping you wont miss out on something.I don't do a lot of posting.And there are some days I just don't have the chance to check all the different topics.But I do feel like a member of these boards and it would suck to miss out on one of the books.Maybe make it that you have to of had say 50 or 100 postings on these boards before you can be eligible for a book.That way we know a person is part of these boards and not just a lurker trying to scoop on something. Joey

gowaltrip · Post by **gowaltrip** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:10 am

I 2nd what ComicKings said. I havent said anything before because I am relatively new to the boards. I was "LUCKY" enough to get a Eternal Warrior #5 VcVSS and some people got highly upset because I was never on the boards before. And I just came on and got one. I understood that point. Since then, I have made it a point to be an active member of the board. I have no idea if my posts have any merit or not, I hope someone enjoys and responds, but I also notice the board does have a few clicks. And Ive read some threads where some posters planned on another VcVSS and have said all the original board members should have a chance 1ST (basically any johnny come lately is out in the cold). I will never complain how it works out. They are not my books, if they are yours, your free to sell or give to whoever you want. And if I didnt get one, I guess thats the breaks. As ComicKings said, it is kind of hard to be here all the time. You want to be an active, valuable user of the board. But Id hate to be a poster, active, and regular. And not be considered a member. If there is a criteria to meet. (I think 50 posts a month is kind of difficult, but regular posting is not a problem), than the rule should be there for all to see and shoot for. A lottery does seem fair to me, but then again, Im a newby. Im just trying to have a chance. Again, if I dont get one, Id like to think it was bad luck, rather than, I wasnt considered a "good enough" member. In this aspect, to me, the lottery seems fair.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:43 am

wrunow wrote:Not for anything, I love the VcVSS's that I have and am dissappoined that I missed out on this one while watching my son in in the Maine State High School Hockey tournament, so I wouldn't have been there anyway no matter what, but I think we can get carried away with these books and they should really be limited in number to so many a year. There are only so many sigs. to be had out there so why burn through them all, at least the popular ones in the first couple of years.

As far as how they go, I am all for a private dutch auction on ebay, I think it can be done, that would be fair, discrete, and could include all the boardmembers. It would also set the market value of the book.

Anyway, congrats on getting a book done, I know it's not all that easy to put it together, so credit to you for getting it done.

Not doubt....in my book this is pretty bad. Especially if it has the standard vcvss COA. If it doesnt have the vcvss coa with greg's sig then I can probably let this go, but with a vcvss coa w/ greg's sig. If someone wants to get a comic book signed cool, but we are running a very good risk of mucking this up if we continue down this path. Plus there wasnt even a #34. How can you not have a #34?

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:03 am

So basically the people who have put in time on this board think that they should be entitled to a book. People who have just joined think that they should have the same shot as the old timers. Hmmm..imagine that. I just really want a confirm on the coa.

I dont think that you should have to post 50 times a month or anything like that, but I think that it should go like this.

If you have a vcvss book coming out you would post saying that you needed to be a member before a certain date that has already passed. No one can go back in time and register. If the person wanted to add a posting requirement that would be up to them. I still gotta feel like each book should have atleast as many copies as the book before it had. We all like to collect sets. If I got the last book I should be able to get this book with the same number. I want a set of #34's SOTU wants his set of 23's. Oh well..looks like the wheels might be coming off...

gowaltrip · Post by **gowaltrip** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:23 am

DawgPhan wrote:So basically the people who have put in time on this board think that they should be entitled to a book. People who have just joined think that they should have the same shot as the old timers. Hmmm..imagine that.

No, nothing like that. If it makes anyone feel any better, I would be willing to give up any shot of any of the upcoming VcVSS books. I mean, hey, if you guys had something good before, why should I or other newby's play a part in messing that up? I just think being a member is being a member. I wish I was here sooner. I get a lot out of this message board anyway. Ive had private emails, and deals done already. Learned a wealth of things I didnt know. Had fun posting and responding. This will be my 103rd post since January, so I dont think I came, got my book and left. Ive put "time" in since Ive been here. I think someone who posts on a regular basis, is just as genuine as someone who has been here from the beginning with 3000 posts under their belt. Im glad to be here, and if I get nothing more out of it. Great! The experience has been awesome! Just let me know when others can be invited to the good ole boys club if thats what it is. Id like to be a member one day. Put me down as wanting to be a active member. Forget the books. I just want to be considered a member regardless of when I showed up. Im down as never needing another VcVSS. I like ValiantComics.com message board anyway.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:35 am

gowaltrip wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:So basically the people who have put in time on this board think that they should be entitled to a book. People who have just joined think that they should have the same shot as the old timers. Hmmm..imagine that.
No, nothing like that. If it makes anyone feel any better, I would be willing to give up any shot of any of the upcoming VcVSS books. I mean, hey, if you guys had something good before, why should I or other newby's play a part in messing that up? I just think being a member is being a member. I wish I was here sooner. I get a lot out of this message board anyway. Ive had private emails, and deals done already. Learned a wealth of things I didnt know. Had fun posting and responding. This will be my 103rd post since January, so I dont think I came, got my book and left. Ive put "time" in since Ive been here. I think someone who posts on a regular basis, is just as genuine as someone who has been here from the beginning with 3000 posts under their belt. Im glad to be here, and if I get nothing more out of it. Great! The experience has been awesome! Just let me know when others can be invited to the good ole boys club if thats what it is. Id like to be a member one day. Put me down as wanting to be a active member. Forget the books. I just want to be considered a member regardless of when I showed up. Im down as never needing another VcVSS. I like ValiantComics.com message board anyway.

My point is that everyone is going to set the "rules" based on what serves them best. No worries. I just think that we are getting onto a slippery slope with the vcvss books..

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:43 am

This town's getting too rough for me.

One of the things I liked about these were the sense of something new involving a company that's dead. And the fact that these were fan-based added to the sense of community here, something else I enjoy and appreciate.

So I was looking forward to the next one. So here's my impression: Here it was ... you missed out ... too bad. Either you can involve the people here on the board or not, but slipping something by when a lot of people aren't looking doesn't feel very fan-friendly.

"Hey, was that an awesome party or what? Oh, nobody told you about it ... er never mind, it wasn't that great."

On the other hand, it's nice to see a poster like Gowaltrip, who took a little heat when he only started posting around the time Greg did his vcvss, has contributed ever since to the boards.

Redtrax · Post by **Redtrax** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:05 pm

I still think a lotery is the most fair and thus best option. Everybody has the same chance of winning one.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:10 pm

This is Greg's site, he should set rules on how these are sold and who has first shot.
I like the lottery idea. Less then 200 active posters gives use all a fair chance.
To better the chances for people who bought VcVss's in the past, for every purches is a nother piece of paper in the hat with your name on it.
That way guys like dawgfan have a better chance than guys like me or gowaltrip, yet we still have a chance to get one.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:14 pm

Redtrax wrote:I still think a lotery is the most fair and thus best option. Everybody has the same chance of winning one.

Yeah but I dont want everyone to have the same chance. It doesnt matter...People are going to do whatever it is they want to do with them. oh well...

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:18 pm

Only prob I see with a lottery is that the person running it would have to send out e-mails or pms to all eligble board members to find out who would even buy it. Then he'd have to figure out who said what and in what order, waiting on e-mails/pms, and the cycle keeps going and going until you end up with enough board members who will pay for it. Is it fair? yeah - depending on how it is decided as far as who is eligible to be in the lottery, but would it be a logistical nightmare for the person doing it? Probably. I think it would take far more time than it's worth for the person putting it out. JMHO