The Loss of Solar: Revamp or Original Character?

[hawkeyeps]

Hey everbody, I was the guy that posted the Erica as Solar theory on another board. I'd like to share the idea here, I'm a big fan of Erica Pierce and think she would be great in the Solar role as a hero this time. Phil Seleski would return as the crazy villian. I came up with this idea, but it was someone else who came up with calling them Alpha and Omega. I would call her "Pierce" and that would be the name of the book, Phil Seleski would be Fathergod (he'd be really gross and float around in pajama bottoms).

Here is what I posted back in August-

I would like to see Phil Seleski return as the villian to VALIANT'S ultimate new power filling the Solar role...Erica Pierce!!

Valiant is already turning in to a sausage fest, putting Erica in the Solar role would be a good way to even the balance and I think some great stories could come out of it.

It would be simple to reverse the story so Erica is heroic and Phil is in the sicko role.

Pajamas!

Then this-

I have to flog this horse!

The cool hook that would make an Erica Pierce (not sure I would go with Mothergod, that's a little nutzo) book a big sucess is we would already have these established spheres of activity in the VALIANT U and Erica in the Solar role could be the one to truly see all the connections and things for what they really are.

She's sets out to right things and everything is going swimingly until Seleski pops out of the wood work and has the same power and is a sicko as he always was even when he was Erica's subordinate (a flip on the orignal).

Erica's relationship with her son was a super disturbing thing, imagine it reversed with Phil and his daughter instead. Phil could be a truly detestable and disturbing villian.

This would be a great second year book after all the wheels are in motion then comes along beings like Erica and Phil and suddenly the entire game changes.

The book would be the centre of the VU female lead or not, I know I'd buy it. How about this..... BWS returns to VALIANT to do it, I'd flip out of my skin!!

Don't mean to be a pain but I do enjoy the speculation.

What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea?

[BugsySig]

Hey Hawkeye. Welcome aboard!

[hawkeyeps]

Hey Hawkeye. Welcome aboard!

Thanks Bugsy, I found this place and the OTV podcasts through you

[Carson]

Hey everbody, I was the guy that posted the Erica as Solar theory on another board. I'd like to share the idea here, I'm a big fan of Erica Pierce and think she would be great in the Solar role as a hero this time. Phil Seleski would return as the crazy villian. I came up with this idea, but it was someone else who came up with calling them Alpha and Omega. I would call her "Pierce" and that would be the name of the book, Phil Seleski would be Fathergod (he'd be really gross and float around in pajama bottoms).

Here is what I posted back in August-

I would like to see Phil Seleski return as the villian to VALIANT'S ultimate new power filling the Solar role...Erica Pierce!!

Valiant is already turning in to a sausage fest, putting Erica in the Solar role would be a good way to even the balance and I think some great stories could come out of it.

It would be simple to reverse the story so Erica is heroic and Phil is in the sicko role.

Pajamas!

Then this-

I have to flog this horse!

The cool hook that would make an Erica Pierce (not sure I would go with Mothergod, that's a little nutzo) book a big sucess is we would already have these established spheres of activity in the VALIANT U and Erica in the Solar role could be the one to truly see all the connections and things for what they really are.

She's sets out to right things and everything is going swimingly until Seleski pops out of the wood work and has the same power and is a sicko as he always was even when he was Erica's subordinate (a flip on the orignal).

Erica's relationship with her son was a super disturbing thing, imagine it reversed with Phil and his daughter instead. Phil could be a truly detestable and disturbing villian.

This would be a great second year book after all the wheels are in motion then comes along beings like Erica and Phil and suddenly the entire game changes.

The book would be the centre of the VU female lead or not, I know I'd buy it. How about this..... BWS returns to VALIANT to do it, I'd flip out of my skin!!

Don't mean to be a pain but I do enjoy the speculation.

What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea?

I dig it. It's a great way to use the Solar supporting characters without the Solar character (since they don't have the rights). I doubt they'll do it, but I hope they do! Magnus and Solar both had a great supporting cast that I'd hate to see die on the vine.

[hawkeyeps]

Here's an idea for Magnus- Instead of dying right away, Torque some how ends up in the future and fills the steel skinned robot fighter role.

"Torque- Robot Smasher"

Erica, Phil and Torque are all VALIANT characters that would cover the "Magnus/Solar" ideas with interesting new twists while in no way infringing on GK characters.

As long as Erica wasn't in a red cyclops suit with a radiation symbol and Torque wasn't in a red mini skirt with white go-go boots it shouldn't be too tough.

Still don't have any ideas for how they could do Turok though.

[BugsySig]

Here's an idea for Magnus- Instead of dying right away, Torque some how ends up in the future and fills the steel skinned robot fighter role.

"Torque- Robot Smasher"

Erica, Phil and Torque are all VALIANT characters that would cover the "Magnus/Solar" ideas with interesting new twists while in no way infringing on GK characters.

As long as Erica wasn't in a red cyclops suit with a radiation symbol and Torque wasn't in a red mini skirt with white go-go boots it shouldn't be too tough.

Still don't have any ideas for how they could do Turok though.

There's also nothing stopping them from having Torque impregnate Kris and have a child NOT named Magnus who ends up in the future. Obviously it couldn't be a total rehash, but its not like the same sorts of situations haven't happened before: Chaikin took his Scorpion character to Marvel and named him Dominic Fortune, Solar was basically Dr. Manhattan (or maybe it was the other way around ) and Rob Leifeld ripped off everything he's ever done from some older concept

[kjjohanson]

In-universe he only took up the identity of Solar because he read the comic as a child, why can't they create a fictional comic book hero identity for him to draw inspiration from?

Because that's a lame origin. And because Shooter already updated that gimmick for the first storyline with the Dark Horse Solar reboot. And it was still lame.

Welcome aboard!

[Aram]

Hey everbody, I was the guy that posted the Erica as Solar theory on another board. I'd like to share the idea here, I'm a big fan of Erica Pierce and think she would be great in the Solar role as a hero this time. Phil Seleski would return as the crazy villian. I came up with this idea, but it was someone else who came up with calling them Alpha and Omega. I would call her "Pierce" and that would be the name of the book, Phil Seleski would be Fathergod (he'd be really gross and float around in pajama bottoms).

Here is what I posted back in August-

I would like to see Phil Seleski return as the villian to VALIANT'S ultimate new power filling the Solar role...Erica Pierce!!

Valiant is already turning in to a sausage fest, putting Erica in the Solar role would be a good way to even the balance and I think some great stories could come out of it.

It would be simple to reverse the story so Erica is heroic and Phil is in the sicko role.

Pajamas!

Then this-

I have to flog this horse!

The cool hook that would make an Erica Pierce (not sure I would go with Mothergod, that's a little nutzo) book a big sucess is we would already have these established spheres of activity in the VALIANT U and Erica in the Solar role could be the one to truly see all the connections and things for what they really are.

She's sets out to right things and everything is going swimingly until Seleski pops out of the wood work and has the same power and is a sicko as he always was even when he was Erica's subordinate (a flip on the orignal).

Erica's relationship with her son was a super disturbing thing, imagine it reversed with Phil and his daughter instead. Phil could be a truly detestable and disturbing villian.

This would be a great second year book after all the wheels are in motion then comes along beings like Erica and Phil and suddenly the entire game changes.

The book would be the centre of the VU female lead or not, I know I'd buy it. How about this..... BWS returns to VALIANT to do it, I'd flip out of my skin!!

Don't mean to be a pain but I do enjoy the speculation.

What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea?

Could be a good idea but lets completely nix that reversed Erica-Albert to Phil idea... not discuss it any further.. and pretend it never happened, k?

[hawkeyeps]

Yeah like I said disturbing and detestable, all though it doesn't matter Phil could have no kids.

He could still be played as a resentful mysoginistic A-hole who always resented the fact that Erica was his superior and believed she got there by some affirmative action or sexual favor, all of which would be untrue but that is just how this bat *SQUEE* crazy guy thinks.

My point is when you reverse the roles of Erica and Phil, Erica has the ability to be a far greater hero than Solar ever was and Phil a far more detestable villian than Mothergod ever was.

[SJS4]

So wait....Mothergod was supposed to be a villain?

[Man Of The Atom]

In-universe he only took up the identity of Solar because he read the comic as a child, why can't they create a fictional comic book hero identity for him to draw inspiration from?

Because that's a lame origin. And because Shooter already updated that gimmick for the first storyline with the Dark Horse Solar reboot. And it was still lame.

Welcome aboard!

+1

This thread has become funny! I have never actually started laughing from a post before until this one.

I'm just trying to figure out if [STRUCTURE] is a real account or just somebody messing around.

[leonmallett]

There is no void left by Solar.

I agree.

As do I. In so many ways, Solar was both the greatest strength and weakness of the first incarnation of this universe.

And another in agreement.

Void suggests the line and the back story is incomplete without Solar, neither of which is true with the relaunch in my humble opinion.

[carter3175]

Guys come on Solar was awesome..We know without Solar there is no VH1....I mean to have a character with that kind of impact on peoples existence is crazy. His screw ups have ripple down effects and his stories are always on a higher level, like Dr Manhattan. I want a character like that again. I would love for Gaiman to write a character like that with that much power. If Valiant does do that, I'm game for a fresh character that does not wear a Cyclops visor . They can keep Turok and they can keep Magnus, they just never seem to fit and I think they are lame characters, this is the wrong time and wrong era for them. Give me Solar or a Solar type replacement.

[kjjohanson]

Guys come on Solar was awesome..We know without Solar there is no VH1....I mean to have a character with that kind of impact on peoples existence is crazy. His screw ups have ripple down effects and his stories are always on a higher level, like Dr Manhattan. I want a character like that again. I would love for Gaiman to write a character like that with that much power. If Valiant does do that, I'm game for a fresh character that does not wear a Cyclops visor . They can keep Turok and they can keep Magnus, they just never seem to fit and I think they are lame characters, this is the wrong time and wrong era for them. Give me Solar or a Solar type replacement.

I think it's difficult to tell interesting, compelling stories with characters (such as Solar) who are too powerful. I'd prefer that VEI limit its roster to characters with (relatively) human limitations.

[Daniel Jackson]

Guys come on Solar was awesome..We know without Solar there is no VH1....I mean to have a character with that kind of impact on peoples existence is crazy. His screw ups have ripple down effects and his stories are always on a higher level, like Dr Manhattan. I want a character like that again. I would love for Gaiman to write a character like that with that much power. If Valiant does do that, I'm game for a fresh character that does not wear a Cyclops visor . They can keep Turok and they can keep Magnus, they just never seem to fit and I think they are lame characters, this is the wrong time and wrong era for them. Give me Solar or a Solar type replacement.

I think it's difficult to tell interesting, compelling stories with characters (such as Solar) who are too powerful. I'd prefer that VEI limit its roster to characters with (relatively) human limitations.

Solar was a great character, but I do agree with what you are saying about him being "too powerful". It just makes it harder and harder for the writers to come up with decent stories. There were way too many lame storylines in VH1 Solar because of that.

[ResurrectedReader]

You forgot The Destroyer - Solar level power, but not Solar.

Chris

I agree wholeheartedly with somehow incorporating the Destroyer. Problem is, he was so attached to Solar it would take some creative writing by the minds of VEI to get it done.

[hawkeyeps]

Even though the whole "ultimate power" guy has been done with Solar and Dr.Manhattan, Erica would be the first time we've seen this concept played out from a female point of view (correct me if I'm wrong), that to me would be a very interesting twist on the concept.

After all Phil as Solar in the old VU flew around and zapped people in his crazy pajamas (relatable as a fanboy ).

Erica Pierce would be an entirely different and fresh take on the power set, plus it would give the new VALIANT a strong female presence which it is currently lacking.

That said I do enjoy their current female characters like Faith, Livewire, Pulse and Mary Maria (even though I'm pretty sure she is going to die soon, hope not).

I know Flamingo and Kay McHenry are on the way but none of these characters would have the same impact as Erica would, she could be to VALIANT what Superman is to DC.

[skot]

id like to see what ever new/old character set apart from the current titles in a way.
i loved the time orgy that was VH1.
it was so all over the place and you see how different bits and pieces fit together.