Why is Batman a Ninja and Not Iron Man?

[Unblessed]

TMNT = Ninjas

Batman = Caped Crusader = man in tights

Math = Power

[RJMooreII]

Lex Luthor has no business being Superman's arch-nemesis. He's only human after all.

I think Lex is a stupid enemy. The Leader is more probably, since the Hulk is much slower and the Leader has super-intelligence and real heavy technology. Nonetheless, the Hulk usually does kick his *SQUEE* pretty easily.

Comics: Doomsday beating Superman was PIS in the first place. He never demonstrated any range of abilities, especially speed or range, that should have allowed him to take down Superman. Hunter/Prey Doomsday was better, he was much faster and had shooting-claws.

Batman doesn't kill people any more, and he makes a big deal about it. So do most superheroes, it's ridiculous.

except the part of Hulk being faster than Logan.

The Hulk has demonstrated the ability to move at hundreds and even thousands of miles per hour at times. A good deal of his power can be translated into speed (IRL, the 'hitting hard' part of strength IS speed).

[Lightning Strike]

except the part of Hulk being faster than Logan.

The Hulk has demonstrated the ability to move at hundreds and even thousands of miles per hour at times. A good deal of his power can be translated into speed (IRL, the 'hitting hard' part of strength IS speed).

You're going to have to give me some examples of this

[sanman]

Lex Luthor has no business being Superman's arch-nemesis. He's only human after all.

I think Lex is a stupid enemy. The Leader is more probably, since the Hulk is much slower and the Leader has super-intelligence and real heavy technology. Nonetheless, the Hulk usually does kick his *SQUEE* pretty easily.

Comics: Doomsday beating Superman was PIS in the first place. He never demonstrated any range of abilities, especially speed or range, that should have allowed him to take down Superman. Hunter/Prey Doomsday was better, he was much faster and had shooting-claws.

Batman doesn't kill people any more, and he makes a big deal about it. So do most superheroes, it's ridiculous.

except the part of Hulk being faster than Logan.

The Hulk has demonstrated the ability to move at hundreds and even thousands of miles per hour at times. A good deal of his power can be translated into speed (IRL, the 'hitting hard' part of strength IS speed).

Do you read superhero comics?

[steverino]

Lex Luthor has no business being Superman's arch-nemesis. He's only human after all.

I think Lex is a stupid enemy. The Leader is more probably, since the Hulk is much slower and the Leader has super-intelligence and real heavy technology. Nonetheless, the Hulk usually does kick his *SQUEE* pretty easily.

Comics: Doomsday beating Superman was PIS in the first place. He never demonstrated any range of abilities, especially speed or range, that should have allowed him to take down Superman. Hunter/Prey Doomsday was better, he was much faster and had shooting-claws.

Batman doesn't kill people any more, and he makes a big deal about it. So do most superheroes, it's ridiculous.

except the part of Hulk being faster than Logan.

The Hulk has demonstrated the ability to move at hundreds and even thousands of miles per hour at times. A good deal of his power can be translated into speed (IRL, the 'hitting hard' part of strength IS speed).

Do you read superhero comics?

If so, do you enjoy them?

[steverino]

I have to admit, Batman not killing anyone is my biggest problem with the character. Even Spider-man's been put to the brink where he was willing to kill the Green Goblin!

No matter how many times Batman explains or makes excuses, or who wrote them, they are lame. The Joker has gotten out many, many times and killed so many innocents, yet he will not finish the guy off! KNOWING that the Joker will eventually escape again and KILL YET AGAIN!.

I say just tie a batrope around laughing boy's neck and hang him.

This is why I like the Punisher. The Punisher doesn't have any arch-enemies...



.. none that are alive anyways.

[sanman]

Lex Luthor has no business being Superman's arch-nemesis. He's only human after all.

I think Lex is a stupid enemy. The Leader is more probably, since the Hulk is much slower and the Leader has super-intelligence and real heavy technology. Nonetheless, the Hulk usually does kick his *SQUEE* pretty easily.

Comics: Doomsday beating Superman was PIS in the first place. He never demonstrated any range of abilities, especially speed or range, that should have allowed him to take down Superman. Hunter/Prey Doomsday was better, he was much faster and had shooting-claws.

Batman doesn't kill people any more, and he makes a big deal about it. So do most superheroes, it's ridiculous.

except the part of Hulk being faster than Logan.

The Hulk has demonstrated the ability to move at hundreds and even thousands of miles per hour at times. A good deal of his power can be translated into speed (IRL, the 'hitting hard' part of strength IS speed).

Do you read superhero comics?

If so, do you enjoy them?

Yeah, X2

[Burrito Boy]

Why does Batman remain "basically" a ninja? Because it's cool.

I disagree. I've never found ninjas cool. Nor can I understand why obviously primitive assassination and subterfuge gear is considered practical in combat, when things like...handguns...exist.

He's just a guy. Just a normal human.

That's bogus nonsense. The things he does are clearly superhuman, his luck is uncanny and many of the things he does are physically impossible for any human being, including olympic class athletes. I have less in common with an obsessive compulsive billionaire in combat S&M gear than I do with Superman who, for all his absurd power, is basically a straight forward guy without annoying personal issues.

Batman doesn't use guns because he had a bad experience with them. Like MacGyver. Otherwise I agree with you. I've never been a Batman fan. The only time I ever liked him at all was in Batman the Animated Series, which was pulpy and noir. Batman is really a pulp character - that style suits him best. For the reasons you stated.

I know you guys weren't asking me but: No, I don't read superhero comics. Not many anyway. About the only supers I can stomach are Valiant characters. Otherwise I'd be hard pressed to name a superhero I like besides Iron Man. Well, there's Colossus and Nightcrawler. That's it.

Obsessive compulsive billionaire in combat S&M gear? I shall create a female version of Batman called Bondage Gal!

(I'm gonna make millions.)

[RJMooreII]

I read a lot of superhero comics, but I think most of them are stupid. For the reasons I've explained, many of the tropes are infuriating and make the characters lame. Nonetheless I do think a lot of the characters are cool, (mainly supervillians in Marvel and guys like Superman and Green Lantern in DC) if it wasn't for the stuff like the default morality, 'bad guys' always lose, death has a revolving door, willpower is a replacement for realpower, emotion is a substitute for logic, all that stupid crap. It's stuff you see outside of comics, and it's just as dumb there.

My basic problem with the superhero genre is that almost no one can seem to write serious, actually good stories. It's either completely generic tropemania, or gritty-crap (which is just as silly as Silver Age, just in another direction). The Wild Cards stories were pretty good.

And,yes, Batman is best as a pulp noir character. In the DCU he's just a joke and a fanboy's walking CIS. Batman is Squirrel Girl in black. I understand DC does these things because it sells (or they expect it will), but just because something is done for financially explicable reasons does not make it good writing. I'm willing to be in the worst movie in the world for a million dollars, but I'm not going to pretend it's good. It's not like I have any high opinion of the majority of people to begin with; it's possible to sell stupid people stupid crap, especially if you appeal to the stupid things they believe. Look at that horrible propaganda fest where they remade the Manchurian Candidate. Or any Oliver Stone film. Or Green Arrow in the 70s. Crap, crap, crap, and highly successful crap at that.

[Chiclo]

Are you hating on Squirrel Girl, RJ?

She's my wife's favourite Marvel character.

[RJMooreII]

Are you hating on Squirrel Girl, RJ?

She's my wife's favourite Marvel character.

Well, women are insane.

Also, in many respects, Superman makes more sense than Batman.
www.qwantz.com/fanart/superman.pdf This is pretty similar to a theory I came up with that he was a superconductive electrogravity machine. The most help in making this kind of explanation possible for Superman is that he is so powerful, and that he doesn't have oddly limited abilities. If you take spatial warping and stuff into account, it even explains why he can hear sounds before they reach him and fly across interstellar distances.

[Chiclo]

Are you hating on Squirrel Girl, RJ?

She's my wife's favourite Marvel character.

Well, women are insane.

Also, in many respects, Superman makes more sense than Batman.
www.qwantz.com/fanart/superman.pdf This is pretty similar to a theory I came up with that he was a superconductive electrogravity machine. The most help in making this kind of explanation possible for Superman is that he is so powerful, and that he doesn't have oddly limited abilities. If you take spatial warping and stuff into account, it even explains why he can hear sounds before they reach him and fly across interstellar distances.

You didn't write that paper, did you? I can't imagine someone with a thorough understanding of Hamiltonian operators and eigenvalues and that knows how to correct for relativistic mass would come up with the science-fiction-y sounding "superconductive electrogravity machine". Electrogravity involves the presumption that the Grand Unified Theory is correct and I don't remember the GUT mentioned anywhere in that paper. The idea of an electrogravity superconductor (presuming that electrogravity is real) would be quite a stretch but still something that could come to exist reasonably - I just can't really imagine a real world application with as much tangibility as Superman's powers. Makes more sense than Final Crisis 7, though.

And both Squirrel Girl and the GLA are fun. I even give SG a pass for beating two of my favourite Marvel characters in that woeful Christmas special.

[RJMooreII]

I just can't really imagine a real world application with as much tangibility as Superman's powers.

No, I didn't write it; and of course Superman is rather exagerrated. But the point is that he more or less behaves as you would expect a largely solid state super-machine to behave; the same can not be said for the oddly specific powers like controlling plants or 'draining' other people's oddly specific powers. Superman is a physical beast, and is pretty easy to transition to plausible sci-fi; whereas someone who can transform molecules except for molecules on live animals is pretty...nonsense.

[Cyberstrike]

I seem to be on a kick today with comic book tropes, here is one that has bugged me since I was like 12.

Bruce Wayne is one of the wealthiest, most intelligent and most tech savvy people in the DC Universe. He knows many people in possession of hypertechnology, from the Earth-born Steel to Superman and Mr. Miracle. He never shies from using gadgets and gear that are often just shy of techno-magic. So why does he restrain himself to Earth-manufactured polymer outfits and techno-ninja gadgets? Even if he doesn't want to go full Iron Man due to not wanting to rely on powered armor, that doesn't at all explain why he doesn't build suits from miracle materials that are impervious to normal weapons and energy blasts, and why he doesn't routinely carry advanced sensor arrays, flight rings and ranged stun weapons. Or is Bruce Wayne's kung-fu egotism more important than being more effective at saving lives and the occasional Universe? If he's really that paranoid that he won't accept stuff from Scott Free and Superman then why not reverse engineer it and at least make some primitive copies? Given what run-of-the-mill scientists in poorly funded secret labs manage to pull off routinely, you think he could do better than a kevlar ninja outfit and smoke bombs.

One reason ease of use.

At start of Iron Man: Extremis the Iron Man armor that Tony Stark is now wearing is so complex, heavy, that he has ship it in a crate and has to wear a yellow under suit just to get the thing to work. Stark even comments on that he used to be put the suit in a briefcase and wants to go back to that design but due to all the tech that the armor uses he's unable to micro sized the vital tech systems any further because the armor will not work the way he wants.

Two getting in and out fast. Iron Man's armor takes longer to get in and get out of Batman's suit is by design to be able for him to get in and out of fast.

Three-personal preference. Bruce Wayne has traveled the globe learning all kinds of fighting styles, martial arts, and weapon training (Batman is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters, martial artists, sharpshooters, and marksman in the DCU) and believes in stealth, mobility and speed over heavy armor and fancy tech. Stark on the other hand was a POW (captured in Vietnam or Afghanistan depending on which version you perfer) and had little or no combat training before building the suit. And remember before being a POW Stark had NO desire to be a hero, while Bruce Wayne has had the desire since he saw his parents murdered.

Maintenance-Stark has to constantly upgrade and maintain his armor to keep it battle ready, Wayne on the other hand only upgrades his suit when he feels the need to make necessary improvements.

Use-Batman is basically looking to fight common everyday crooks. Iron Man is more ready to fight dragons, aliens, and exotic supervillains. While both are willing to battle both common and exotic threats I don't see Iron Man stopping drug dealers everyday Batman will.

[RJMooreII]

That still doesn't explain why he doesn't make his equipment and armor out of super-materials which he has ready access to. You don't have to mechanize something, there are tons of lightweight alien alloys and super-plastic he should have no trouble getting his hands on. That would allow him to do his kung-fu thing while at the same time being more or less invulnerable to conventional and many high tech weapons.
As I said, there are regular people in DC who use better materials than Batman. DC just wants to maintain one of the most bogus traits of Batman, that he's vulnerable to small arms and normal humans (if they can hit him). But that would also entail that he'd die 10 seconds into an alien invasion by cross-fire alone. Do you know how hot vaporized concrete is? You don't 'dodge' that.

[Cyberstrike]

That still doesn't explain why he doesn't make his equipment and armor out of super-materials which he has ready access to. You don't have to mechanize something, there are tons of lightweight alien alloys and super-plastic he should have no trouble getting his hands on. That would allow him to do his kung-fu thing while at the same time being more or less invulnerable to conventional and many high tech weapons.

Well Stark did find a way to micronized the Iron Man armor, read Iron Man: Extremis if you want to know how.

As I said, there are regular people in DC who use better materials than Batman. DC just wants to maintain one of the most bogus traits of Batman, that he's vulnerable to small arms and normal humans (if they can hit him). But that would also entail that he'd die 10 seconds into an alien invasion by cross-fire alone. Do you know how hot vaporized concrete is? You don't 'dodge' that.

Batman also doesn't want his tech to be traced back to him if everyone knew he used super tech that was devolopled and owned by his company Wayne Tech then what is to stop not only his rouge gallery but every other villain in the DCU from trying to steal it? That crap happens all the time with Star Labs in the various Superman books.

Whereas Tony Stark used to say Iron Man was his bodyguard so everybody with half a brain knew where Iron Man's tech was coming from.

Bruce Wayne is far more paranoid than Tony Stark is (and that is saying something because Stark can be very paranoid at times).

[RJMooreII]

How is alien tech going to get traced back to WayneCorp? If anything it would make people think Batman isn't human, which would make it even harder to figure out who he is. Plus, there is plenty of stuff he could rip off from Luthercorp, Star Labs or Kord Industries without drawing any attention to his own holdings.

Also, there's really no reason that the villains (and non-invulnerable heroes) don't have this tech. It's just like how Spider-Man won't use stun-blasters, even though it would make him like 10 billion times more effective. They tie characters to their 'gimmicks' to the point of making them morons.

[Cyberstrike]

How is alien tech going to get traced back to WayneCorp? If anything it would make people think Batman isn't human, which would make it even harder to figure out who he is. Plus, there is plenty of stuff he could rip off from Luthercorp, Star Labs or Kord Industries without drawing any attention to his own holdings. Also, there's really no reason that the villains (and non-invulnerable heroes) don't have this tech.

Do you think Batman is really going to risk some alien super weapons tech from falling into the wrong hands? Plus the last time I checked he owned all of LexCorp and it wouldn't surprise me if he owned Star Labs and Kord Industries.

Hell Stark is a weapons manufacturer for the US military and has built most of technology that S.H.E.I.L.D. uses and he won't let either one of them anywhere near the Iron Man armor.

Chances are if either one of them was going to use any of the alien super tech they have it won't be in any kind of weapons it would be for stuff like cell phones, 3D HDTVs, energy efficient or electric cars, medical advancements, better food, etc.

[ian_house]

That still doesn't explain why he doesn't make his equipment and armor out of super-materials which he has ready access to. You don't have to mechanize something, there are tons of lightweight alien alloys and super-plastic he should have no trouble getting his hands on. That would allow him to do his kung-fu thing while at the same time being more or less invulnerable to conventional and many high tech weapons.
As I said, there are regular people in DC who use better materials than Batman. DC just wants to maintain one of the most bogus traits of Batman, that he's vulnerable to small arms and normal humans (if they can hit him). But that would also entail that he'd die 10 seconds into an alien invasion by cross-fire alone. Do you know how hot vaporized concrete is? You don't 'dodge' that.

I don't get why you use real life situations to deconstruct Batman, but then Iron Man or the other characters you use as comparisons, are assessed by their comic worlds.

[RJMooreII]

I don't get why you use real life situations to deconstruct Batman, but then Iron Man or the other characters you use as comparisons, are assessed by their comic worlds.

Iron Man built a super robot suit. In terms of the available technology, if you're not bullet proof that's a pretty good idea.