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ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:36 pm

robb77 wrote:so what do you think about shadowman. since there is a project unity 6,7,8 will this be a comtinuity of the valiant universe

I like Shadowman, it's a very cool concept and Jack was a great character. I like it so much that I hope that VEI respects it and lets him die in 99 as he was meant to and not forcebly keep the story going 10 years after it was meant to end.

Which project do you mean? The Unity 2000 stuff that Fanboy is working on?

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:37 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
robb77 wrote:so what do you think about shadowman. since there is a project unity 6,7,8 will this be a comtinuity of the valiant universe
I like Shadowman, it's a very cool concept and Jack was a great character. I like it so much that I hope that VEI respects it and lets him die in 99 as he was meant to and not forcebly keep the story going 10 years after it was meant to end.

Which project do you mean? The Unity 2000 stuff that Fanboy is working on?

this is appernatly what shootyer had in mind

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:40 pm

robb77 wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
robb77 wrote:so what do you think about shadowman. since there is a project unity 6,7,8 will this be a comtinuity of the valiant universe
I like Shadowman, it's a very cool concept and Jack was a great character. I like it so much that I hope that VEI respects it and lets him die in 99 as he was meant to and not forcebly keep the story going 10 years after it was meant to end.

Which project do you mean? The Unity 2000 stuff that Fanboy is working on?
this is appernatly what shootyer had in mind

Yeah. He intended the series to end with the character's death.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:42 pm

so which continuitys do you think should comtinue?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:43 pm

robb77 wrote:so which continuitys do you think should comtinue?

VALIANT

The Acclaim continuity comics can be comic books within the VALIANT Universe that fill out quarter bin boxes and parrot cages

You?

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:45 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
robb77 wrote:so which continuitys do you think should comtinue?
VALIANT

The Acclaim continuity comics can be comic books within the VALIANT Universe that fill out quarter bin boxes and parrot cages

ok so magnus ends the way it does??

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:48 pm

robb77 wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
robb77 wrote:so which continuitys do you think should comtinue?
VALIANT

The Acclaim continuity comics can be comic books within the VALIANT Universe that fill out quarter bin boxes and parrot cages
ok so magnus ends the way it does??

They should all end the way they did. Retcons don't work, they are band-aids, short term fixes.

It's been proven that retcons lead to a slippery slope. Once you start retconning you never stop. Just look at DC and Marvel.

VEI MUST be different. They should serve the stories and characters, not the reader's desires.

It's like PAD and Priest have said. The characters must come first.

Retconning the endings won't do any good.

Say that they were to retcon the endings, but it turns out that the "replacement" stories aren't better, they're worse, so they retcon again... but then the second retconning is even worse than the first, so they have to retcon again... before you know it, the characters are falling down the the slippery slope and the readers grow increasingly more frustrated with the publisher.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:51 pm

so what shooter had imagined if he was to extend to the val universe what woulds happen

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:54 pm

robb77 wrote:so what shooter had imagined if he was to extend to the val universe what woulds happen

That's an interesting question.

Would Shooter had kept the line at eight titles or expand it to include other concepts?

We know for a fact that Fatale, the comic published by Broadway, originated as a VALIANT concept.

Shooter liked to establish his characters in other titles before giving them a series, so from which concept would Fatale have been spun off from? Shadowman seems like a good guess given that Fatale was a supernatural concept.

Is it possible that there are other concepts from Defiant, Broadway, or even Daring that began as ideas for VALIANT?

I for one would like to see VEI acquire these properties and integrate them into the VALIANT Universe. Star Seed and Fatale were great, awesome, comics.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:56 pm

tough question hoe how would bloodshot continue

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:59 pm

robb77 wrote:tough question hoe how would bloodshot continue

If it were to pick up from where it ended, with Bloodshot being blown up?

Well, I have my ideas.

It be possible that the nanites in Bloodshot's blood kept his brain alive but were unable to regenerate his body since they lacked the nutrients and other material they needed, then in 2008-9 someone could find the body and take it back to the States to harvest the nanites to create their own Bloodshot 2.0 to fight in the Corporate Wars. Could be that the process would reawaken Bloodshot, then the nanites that Proteus infected him could regenerate his body by absorbing the people in the facility where he's being kept.

We could then see a cool Classic Bloodshot vs Bloodshot 2.0 brawl.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:00 pm

i reeally wish they would continue the Valiant universe instead of the hc.and if so they sholdmcon the harbinger seriex=s

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:01 pm

so in a way rai is not a bloodshot

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:01 pm

robb77 wrote:i reeally wish they would continue the Valiant universe instead of the hc.and if so they sholdmcon the harbinger seriex=s

Well, the short stories are continuing the VALIANT Universe. They are the first true VALIANT stories in over a decade.

Also, the hcs serve to reintroduce the characters to a new audience and lay the foundation for what is to come without having to reboot the whole thing.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:02 pm

robb77 wrote:so in a way rai is not a bloodshot

Why not?

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:03 pm

i really hope after the hc it is not a f@ck up thats why a lot of members are selling ther collection

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:04 pm

just the last rai has the blood of bloodshot

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:04 pm

robb77 wrote:i really hope after the hc it is not a f@ck up thats why a lot of members are selling ther collection

I'm sure it won't be. Did you see the ad for the Archer & Armstrong hc that promises new series soon?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:05 pm

robb77 wrote:just the last rai has the blood of bloodshot

Yeah, but he didn't get it directly from Bloodshot.

The last Rai (Obadiah, not Takao) got the blood after Ax stole it from Bloodshot in 2028. In order for Ax to do that Bloodshot has to survive the explosion in issue 51.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:06 pm

so bloodshot is essentialy dead

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:08 pm

robb77 wrote:so bloodshot is essentialy dead

He dies for good in 2028 when Ax drains the blood from him.

After issue 51, it could be that he sort of died but the nanites have kept his brain alive until now, when someone rescues his corpse and takes him somewhere where the nanites can restore his body.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:09 pm

so esentaually bloodsho posses the body of rai?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:10 pm

robb77 wrote:so esentaually bloodsho posses the body of rai?

Not at all.

They only share the blood of heroes, which passes from Bloodshot to the last two Rais, Takao and Obadiah.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:11 pm

so the nanites of bloodshot have no effect. so why werethey fighting for it

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:12 pm

robb77 wrote:so the nanites of bloodshot have no effect. so why werethey fighting for it

They do have an effect. They give those that have them certain abilities, like healing, heightened reflexes, stuff like that.