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greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:11 am

Smashey wrote:As far as getting print runs for them, its kind of hit and miss. For instance, it says 378k for turok #1. All it lists is how many capital city ordered. Its the best source of info we are gonna get print run wise....but still not accurate.

There is a little explanation of print runs in the first few pages of the book.
For Valiant, Capital City orders represented about 22% of the print runs.
(It was more or less the same for other publishers in the early 1990s).
Diamond was "king" of the market then, and eventually Capital City was closed.
(But that's why now have Capital City order numbers...
they went out of business, but their documents were saved.)

378K is about 22% of.... 1.7Million.

In general, you can multiply every Capital City number by 4 or 5 to get estimated print runs.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:00 am

greg wrote:
Smashey wrote:As far as getting print runs for them, its kind of hit and miss. For instance, it says 378k for turok #1. All it lists is how many capital city ordered. Its the best source of info we are gonna get print run wise....but still not accurate.
There is a little explanation of print runs in the first few pages of the book.
For Valiant, Capital City orders represented about 22% of the print runs.
(It was more or less the same for other publishers in the early 1990s).
Diamond was "king" of the market then, and eventually Capital City was closed.
(But that's why now have Capital City order numbers...
they went out of business, but their documents were saved.)

378K is about 22% of.... 1.7Million.

In general, you can multiply every Capital City number by 4 or 5 to get estimated print runs.

Cheers Greg, thats the kind of easy math i like.

What do you think to the rest of the ideas floating here at this time?

tictuck · Post by **tictuck** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:10 am

Draco wrote:
Knightt wrote: plus I would like to have a special page with a bit of history on the book and why it is so special or sought after. Probably not a book by book per page as per the book on the Valiant portion of this site but at least a page for a particular DU and when you scan on the thumbnail it brings up a larger image of the cover which would especially be helpful when trying to track down the large number of variant covers (and makes the 'hunt' that much more fun IMO).

I mean, we 'could' have info on the writer/pencils/inks etc but I really don't think that there should be that much effort into these books... at this time. Eventually, I would like this to grow into a more comprehensive and best source on the web but that is a long term plan. I think scans would be a good first step, see how that shakes out and then go from there. Chiclo, I accept your offer... you are the first man on the team. Thank you. As far as having 'too many lists', well that can be up for discussion as well. You mentioned Trumphant, I don't think that should be in the section because I felt that it had no impact on comic book history but then again, what if we had a small section of Triumphant collectors, why should they be left out because of my bias OR we have 'too many lists' ? How many checklists is too much ? Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?
There are many possibilities here.

Information on each book might take a while and seem a bit too much at this point, but im sure we would all agree once this gets under way the excitement will drive us forward each time we add something and watch it grow.

Creator credits would i be more time consuming but again worth it in the long run.

To have the most comprehensive and best source on the web for Du's excites the hell out of me !!

Theres no such thing as too many lists.

I agree that Triumphant had no impact on the Industry, but at the same time they exist and they put out a good stack of comics and are officially a DU.
Also they had a recognisable gimmick in their limited ( OMG those print runs were huge) numbering on the covers.
Im sure somewhere on here someone told me they had some good stories in them to some degree, but ill hold my opinion on that till i have them all and have read more than the two or three i did read which were bland as bland can be.

I personally have added over five long boxes of DU's to my collection since December due to this section, so i dont need to tell you how much of my backing goes towards this dude.

Also on a support note its nice to see the replies to this thread grow and grow. It shows how important this work is going to be and how many more people will become DU freaks as a result of this glorious information being collated.

COME ON GUYS JOIN IN !!!!!!!!!!

Agreed , A couple books a week isn't that time consuming as to finding out the artist and writer for a given book, plus I love just getting out one of my short boxes and thumbing through a few good DU's any time

tictuck · Post by **tictuck** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:48 am

Brother J wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.
I personally disagree with this one (sorry, Cyberstrike). The Ultraverse books are pretty distinctive from the other Malibu books, and as a collector, I'm only collecting Ultraverse.

I miss the old Forgotten Universes web page. That would be cool, if there was something like that again, using the valiantcomics.com template and using it to keep the information for the various Dead Universes, complete with scans and issue info.

I too miss tht site Brother J. Very cool the way that one was set up but it could have been so much better with print runs (Even estimated at least gives a general idea) & artist & writers would have been a nice addition.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:28 pm

Knightt wrote:Well I was given this portion of the boards (Dead Universes) by Greg well over two years ago now. I was wondering just what everyone here 'thought' of the Dead Universes section NOW as it has matured over time. Do you find it useful ? Is there something you would like to see 'added' or something that should NOT bed here ? Personally, I would like to see some comic scans of each DU that is put up with a checklist, but no guide price as we are talking for the 'most part' bin books with the exception of things like Miracle on Broadway (want to see a scan of mine ? ) and Birth of the Defiant Universe which 'could' be given an average price based on recent Ebay sales.

So, if you would give me a couple of minutes, please let me know what you think of the Dead Universes section. Much of the work that has been done here has also been with the aid from depluto and Brother J, so I have them to thank.

If we were to do a 'cover scans' project, people would have to take ownership and do some of the DU scans. I 'was' going to take it on but I found that it takes up WAAAAAY too much time out of my already busy schedule, but I am willing to take a couple of the DUs and do my part.

Well that is just some of my input, but I would like to stir up a bit of discussion and if we come up with anything to add which takes up 'space' on the site, I will run it past Greg and if it requires a monthly or years dollar amount, I will pay that to keep this section growing and ensuring that we have quality control and most of all a fun and useful tool that is utilized for the collection of the Dead Universes that we have come to love, collect and in some cases become obsessed with !!!

Man, I totally spaced on this thread. I think because it was all the way at the top of the board with the other stickys. Anyhow, I just wanted to say that I love this section of the board and really want it to stay.

I would like to see cover scans and since I have a lot of free time, I'm more than happy to start helping out with that. If no one else is doing them, I'll start with the CrossGen books. Just let me know.

BTW, a while back you mentioned you might do some kind of thing for all the DU guys, like a special card for members or something. Did I miss that? If not, if you need help making something up, I'd be more than willing to help in any capacity. Thanks Knightt for a cool place to discuss DU comics.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:31 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:The Catalog of Comics (Krause---4th Edition) is a great resource. You can get an overstock copy through Amazon for less than $10. It originally retails for around $35. It lists a lot of print run information.

There's several used ones here for as little as $3.30:

http://www.amazon.com/Comics-Buyers-Gui ... 087349993X

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:06 pm

I would like to see cover scans and since I have a lot of free time, I'm more than happy to start helping out with that. If no one else is doing them, I'll start with the CrossGen books. Just let me know.

No clue what format you guys are looking at doing. Ive been working on crossgen before this thread was started. About 95% done, should be up and going tonight.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:31 pm

Smashey wrote:
I would like to see cover scans and since I have a lot of free time, I'm more than happy to start helping out with that. If no one else is doing them, I'll start with the CrossGen books. Just let me know.
No clue what format you guys are looking at doing. Ive been working on crossgen before this thread was started. About 95% done, should be up and going tonight.

Cool, I'll do a different DU then. Knightt, let me know which one you need me to do (if I have it).

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:55 pm

I'm not sure how much I can do from my end, but I could start researching print runs for Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes. I'm sure Chiclo, being the "father" of the list-thread, would also be interested. Perhaps he and I could co-ordinate some efforts over the next few months? As for creative staff information, unless they have taken them down, the information listed on Wikipedia for creative staffs for this DU is my work. It can be copied and used, no problem.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:49 pm

Now we are so cooking.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:14 pm

Draco wrote:Now we are so cooking.

I feel like I have created a nuclear bomb....

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:27 pm

Well dude its so gonna go off.

DUCK !!!!!!!!!!

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:37 pm

Kinda like stop drop and roll... LOL

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:13 am

xodacia81 wrote:I'm not sure how much I can do from my end, but I could start researching print runs for Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes. I'm sure Chiclo, being the "father" of the list-thread, would also be interested. Perhaps he and I could co-ordinate some efforts over the next few months? As for creative staff information, unless they have taken them down, the information listed on Wikipedia for creative staffs for this DU is my work. It can be copied and used, no problem.

I'm afraid I have not a single clue on print runs for CGW nor would I even know where to begin such research.

Maybe write a letter to Dark Horse...

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:30 am

Chiclo wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:I'm not sure how much I can do from my end, but I could start researching print runs for Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes. I'm sure Chiclo, being the "father" of the list-thread, would also be interested. Perhaps he and I could co-ordinate some efforts over the next few months? As for creative staff information, unless they have taken them down, the information listed on Wikipedia for creative staffs for this DU is my work. It can be copied and used, no problem.
I'm afraid I have not a single clue on print runs for CGW nor would I even know where to begin such research.

Maybe write a letter to Dark Horse...

They may be willing to help out since this came out. Someone advertising for free will help their sales.

http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=14-406

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:51 am

I sent Dark Horse an e-mail.

Might join their forums. See if anyone there can shed any light on such things.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:03 am

This would be very valuable info for the DU section. I LOVE these books as well and think I just need a few Ghost issues to finish it off and maybe a couple of the variant issues to be at 100% AND I have a groovy card set to go along with it. Love THAT one...

Let me know what you dig up. I would love to see a checklist as well, if anything to let me know how far I am to being at 100%.

Anyone have any Ghost issues in dupes ?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:36 pm

I have EASY access to some CGW/DHH dupes, but I recently traded the few I had. I can get the other books for between 25 cents and 2 bucks, depending. As for the Omnibus, I saw it and didn't have the $ on me to pick it up. I might have to check that link out and join the forums as well. It's great to know I'm not the only person who remembers this line. I LOVED it, maybe second only to VALIANT.

tictuck · Post by **tictuck** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:16 pm

xodacia81 wrote:I have EASY access to some CGW/DHH dupes, but I recently traded the few I had. I can get the other books for between 25 cents and 2 bucks, depending. As for the Omnibus, I saw it and didn't have the $ on me to pick it up. I might have to check that link out and join the forums as well. It's great to know I'm not the only person who remembers this line. I LOVED it, maybe second only to VALIANT.

Pm'd

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:31 pm

Knightt, let me know if there are any DU comic series that you want me to scan.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:40 pm

Lightning Strike wrote:Knightt, let me know if there are any DU comic series that you want me to scan.

Roger WILCO....

How about if I do a 'sign up' thread ?

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:42 pm

Arrrg, this thread sparked my interest in CGW now, which i had never seen. Thanks guys....there goes more money.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:44 pm

Smashey wrote:Arrrg, this thread sparked my interest in CGW now, which i had never seen. Thanks guys....there goes more money.

Always glad to be of service

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:33 pm

Smashey wrote:Arrrg, this thread sparked my interest in CGW now, which i had never seen. Thanks guys....there goes more money.

Not just a whole lot of it... except on the Ghost issues.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:38 pm

Chiclo wrote:
Smashey wrote:Arrrg, this thread sparked my interest in CGW now, which i had never seen. Thanks guys....there goes more money.
Not just a whole lot of it... except on the Ghost issues.

Yeah, Ghost can get comparatively expensive, especially if you pick up all the issues including tpb's, crossovers and short stories/spinoffs.

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