Shadowman's Future?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:30 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:The records say that Shadowman died. Not Jack.

Jedi posts gifs. And they are funny.

I'd love for this to go on forever, but I've got to go to work here in a bit.
No, the records say that Jack died. Read Unity.

Read the comics, the answers are there.
Really? They show the records that specifically say "Jack Boniface died" and not "Shadowman died"?

I just remember Elya mentioning them. And saying that Shadowman dies in 1999. Did she know about Maxim and if he survived?
If she did it was irrelevant since she didn't meet Maxim, she met Jack Dominique Boniface.

Or were the records wrong about his secon name? Was his second name really Chuck but he didn't want to tell her that she got it wrong?
But it is relevant. If she didn't know about Maxim and saw that Shadowman died in 1999 and just assumed it was Jack, she could have been telling him about Maxim's death.

See, the only ones making assumptions here are you guys.

You're the ones assuming that there was ONE record with Jack's second name, profession, and heroic deeds, and a completely SEPARATE record that said how he died.

In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:31 pm

Drift wrote:Rai # 0 page 7 panel 1- mentions that Shadowman dies.

Can't find reference to Jack anywhere in the comic.

But more interestingly page 2 panel 3 - Geoff: There's lots of stuff messed up in the timestream cause of that war and it's up to us geomancers to set it straight

There is your proof MOTA. The timestream is messed up and nowhere does it say all problems were all sorted and all is well in the world.

but if it is all a dream as X-O says, how can any evidence be conclusive?

Bingo.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:31 pm

Drift wrote:Rai # 0 page 7 panel 1- mentions that Shadowman dies.

Can't find reference to Jack anywhere in the comic.

But more interestingly page 2 panel 3 - Geoff: There's lots of stuff messed up in the timestream cause of that war and it's up to us geomancers to set it straight

There is your proof MOTA. The timestream is messed up and nowhere does it say all problems were all sorted and all is well in the world.

but if it is all a dream as X-O says, how can any evidence be conclusive?

We've gone down this road before.

If the timestream was messed up, how come 81.81% of Rai #0 came true as shown?

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:31 pm

If they were only 80% right then they are not right. They either are right or they aren't.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:32 pm

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Alright. These records you speak of. Could have Mothergod fudged these records of Jacks death knowing of Elyla's growing infatuation with him?
What would she have to gain by doing that?
Failed attempt to break up Jack and Elya.

Makes as much sense as Chewbacca, a wookie from the planet Kashyyyk, fighting alongside the Ewoks on the forest moon of Endor.
Which means that it makes no sense at all. Jedi's just making absurb suggestions because he has no proof to support his agument, and he knows it, he just can't admit it.
Jedi has some good points and is raising more doubt that Jack died in 1999 than you are encouraging the certainty that he did.

Using no facts at all? That's impressive.

You must like taking him at his word.

Had I known how worthless facts are here, I wouldn't have bothered to quote from one single comic.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:32 pm

Drift wrote:If they were only 80% right then they are not right. They either are right or they aren't.

The remaining 20% was proven right in Rai #0, where it says that Shadowman died.

Jack and Shadowman were the same guy

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:33 pm

There are inconsistencies in the timestream. It is the ultimate get out clause. They can do whatever the *SQUEE* they want with it because history is in flux.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:33 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Drift wrote:If they were only 80% right then they are not right. They either are right or they aren't.
The remaining 20% was proven right in Rai #0, where it says that Shadowman died.

Jack and Shadowman were the same guy

Don't forget Maxim.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:33 pm

Drift wrote:There are inconsistencies in the timestream. It is the ultimate get out clause. They can do whatever the *SQUEE* they want with it because history is in flux.

I would ask you if you could show those inconsistancies, but I know you won't bother.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:33 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Drift wrote:If they were only 80% right then they are not right. They either are right or they aren't.
The remaining 20% was proven right in Rai #0, where it says that Shadowman died.

Jack and Shadowman were the same guy
Don't forget Maxim.

If Maxim died, then why do the records say that Jack died?

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 pm

Geoff is the geomancer but Rockland Tate is the geomancer but Geoff is not Rockland Tate. Shadowman is whoever puts on the suit.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Drift wrote:There are inconsistencies in the timestream. It is the ultimate get out clause. They can do whatever the *SQUEE* they want with it because history is in flux.
I would ask you if you could show those inconsistancies, you I know you won't bother.

Geoff said it in Rai #0 and Geomancers can't be wrong.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 pm

Drift wrote:Geoff is the geomancer but Rockland Tate is the geomancer but Geoff is not Rockland Tate. Shadowman is whoever puts on the suit.

Yet it was Jack who died in 1999.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?

His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:35 pm

It tells you that there are inconsistancies in the timeline because the timestream is *SQUEE*. Rai # 0 page 2 panel 3.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:35 pm

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.

That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:36 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.
That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.

Like Superman?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:36 pm

Drift wrote:It tells you that there are inconsistancies in the timeline because the timestream is *SQUEE*. Rai # 0 page 2 panel 3.

Give me examples of the inconsistancies in the timeline.

Let me remind you of the rest of the passage. It goes something like "and it's up to us Geomancers to put it right"

Rai #0 is a map of the CORRECTED timeline after the Geomancers fixed it, NOT of the incorrect timeline.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:36 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.
That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.

Oh, gee... sorry, I just used the NEWS SOURCE that the WORLD USED in 1999.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:37 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.
That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.
Like Superman?

Stop being an *SQUEE*.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:38 pm

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:38 pm

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.
That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.
Oh, gee... sorry, I just used the NEWS SOURCE that the WORLD USED in 1999.

Too bad that's not the same souce Elya used. Hers came from 4001 in the VALIANT Universe.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:38 pm

It isn't irrelevant because that is from the real world. It is an actual piece of history because the document has been made. You said saying fiction is not a way to explain things so he is using something that really exists

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:40 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?
His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.
That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.
Oh, gee... sorry, I just used the NEWS SOURCE that the WORLD USED in 1999.
Too bad that's not the same souce Elya used. Hers came from 4001 in the VALIANT Universe.

Elya's news source CAME FROM 1999.

If the VALIANT Universe is the world outside our window, then CNN is the the news source.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:41 pm

Drift wrote:It isn't irrelevant because that is from the real world. It is an actual piece of history because the document has been made. You said saying fiction is not a way to explain things so he is using something that really exists

No, what I said was that the only relevant sources are those from the comics, not those found on the internet since they have no bearing on the sources used by the characters in the stories.

Unlike the sources Grg is using, every souce of information in the VALIANT Universe was proven RIGHT. I've already posted multiple examples of this before, and he knows I have, and he knows that they exist. He also knows that he's either too lazy to find any source from the comics to counter what I showed him or he knows that they don't exist.

It's much easier to be an *SQUEE* and be lazy, than it is to actually open the comics to read what's in them.

It's not that surprising since most people on the board are in it for the economic benefit, not for the stories. They'd be fools to damage their investment by reading it.