Origin of Harada - discussion

[muzzsucker]

I will assume that answer to my question is "no", since it doesn't seem to be able to be answered.

Does this count?

[Dr. Solar]

I will assume that answer to my question is "no", since it doesn't seem to be able to be answered.

Does this count?

Yeah, that totally counts. Thanks for pointing that out.

[myron]

Tell you what: Write something worth reading all the way through and I will.

You're beat: You've been proven wrong. All you're doing now is trying to distract from that fact with posturing and insults. Sack up and admit it then drive on. There are comics out there where the stupid people put different posters on the walls in different panels. If they're wrong, why can't you be?

Must still be Tueday.

If planes don't need turbines to stay up so they don't crash, why the *SQUEE* have them?

You probably think that airplanes get shot in the air with giant slingshots.

Joining the Navy Reserve out of HS for the GI Bill: 6 years of 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer.
Under-grad degree: 4 years, ~$50k
Grad-degree: 4 years, more than ~$50k
Getting called a stupid *SQUEE* by some semi-literate irate fanboy that still lives in his parents' basement in Mexico City: Priceless.

Some things in life make sense: For everything else, there's MOTA.

crap...I just fell out of my chair...

[myron]

So... does Faith Herbert have a turbine?

Would that make her a Sikh?

Faith has bernoulli effect??? KEWL!

[Chiclo]

So... does Faith Herbert have a turbine?

Would that make her a Sikh?

Faith has bernoulli effect??? KEWL!

A cross section of Faith's torso does somewhat resemble a foil, but a vertical one rather than a horizontal one. So... she'd move... forward with upward velocity?

Bah, none of this happens in the world outside my window. Fat girls that are somewhat cute, or some may even argue as HOT!! (two exclamations... rather important to the supposition here) do not fly without the help of machinery.

Machinery that rely on turbines or propellors for forward motion and use that forward motion across foils (wings) for upward thrust. So, it could be said that these turbines make them fly, but not to defy gravity. Work with gravity in a space filled with a viscous, compressible fluid - in this case atmosphere, or your average air.

[b3studios]

<puts on his best Chris Crocker face> Leave MOTA alone!!! He's going through a hard time right now! All you people area ganging up on him.... LEAVE MOTA ALONE, RIGHT NOW!

I'm serious. If any of you have a problem with MOTA you'll have to go through me! Leave MOTA alone!!!

<thinks about taking off the Chris Crocker face, but decides, much like the aforementioned C.C. he looks darn good in eyeliner...>

Love ya MOTA baby...

[Dr. Solar]

So I've finally finished the re-read (Harbinger 7 made me get a little fogged up at Torque's funeral).

A couple more observations/questions:

- What is Noriko contemplating? Killing Toyo or herself? I think that she is contemplating killing herself. This just feels more correct. In the end, Toyo says that if she stops believing in him, that she should end it. He is a control freak, and it seems out of character that he would put his life in someone else's hands. If this is correct, Noriko is thinking about suicide, why? Why does she want to kill herself? Is it just that she can't stand the things that go on in her life?

- She says that she doesn't think that Toyo made her come with him after he killed his parents. Would she know? Whenever Pete got into people's minds, they didn't know that they were under control till he pulled out. There are one or two times that Toyo goes into someone's mind in Harby 1-7 and they don't appear to get the sting when he pulls out. Did he always have this control?

- Toyo has some sentimentality to him, we see this with the teddy bear. He brought it with him when he left home at age 5, and it is still in a safe in his bedroom. Interesting. Toyo doesn't seem to be the sentimental type.

- How did Noriko and Rowena meet? Rowena popped Toyo, but the must have stayed in contact somehow since then. This whole thing points to there being some more backstory.

Thoughts, anyone?

[magnusr]

Does this count?

Good find.

/Magnus

[magnusr]

Thoughts, anyone?

I got the feeling that the story was intentionally left open to interpretation. We can make educated guesses (and I like your observations), but in the end we should buy the next story to learn more

/Magnus

[myron]

Thoughts, anyone?

I got the feeling that the story was intentionally left open to interpretation. We can make educated guesses (and I like your observations), but in the end we should buy the next story to learn more

/Magnus

...isn't that what a GOOD story should do?

[cjv]

I will assume that answer to my question is "no", since it doesn't seem to be able to be answered.

Does this count?

That's the line I was thinking of, but I couldn't remember where it was.

Chris

[Dr. Solar]

Thoughts, anyone?

I got the feeling that the story was intentionally left open to interpretation. We can make educated guesses (and I like your observations), but in the end we should buy the next story to learn more

/Magnus

...isn't that what a GOOD story should do?

Yeah, this definitely left me wanting more.

I hope VEI starts putting out more original stuff SOON!

[ManofTheAtom]

I will assume that answer to my question is "no", since it doesn't seem to be able to be answered.

Does this count?

That's the line I was thinking of, but I couldn't remember where it was.

Chris

Interesting how after 2000 years Mothergod reached the conclusion that Solar affected existance and not alternate realities.

[X-O HoboJoe]

I will assume that answer to my question is "no", since it doesn't seem to be able to be answered.

Does this count?

That's the line I was thinking of, but I couldn't remember where it was.

Chris

Interesting how after 2000 years Mothergod reached the conclusion that Solar affected existance and not alternate realities.

I interpreted that to be all existance equalling all realities, and remember wondering if it messed up other branches leading to that Earth-2 bizness. More room for Shooter to play with, but somewhat cliche for him.

Here's what I'm wondering now: Was the Lost Land a place where all time intersected? If so, what about all space? I got the impression that it appeared to exist outside of normal time/space, which allowed the odd properties of the place to be what they were.

And the LL was destroyed at the end of Unity was it not?

[ManofTheAtom]

I interpreted that to be all existance equalling all realities, and remember wondering if it messed up other branches leading to that Earth-2 bizness. More room for Shooter to play with, but somewhat cliche for him.

Here's what I'm wondering now: Was the Lost Land a place where all time intersected? If so, what about all space? I got the impression that it appeared to exist outside of normal time/space, which allowed the odd properties of the place to be what they were.

And the LL was destroyed at the end of Unity was it not?

There's no indication that other realities existed at VALIANT, not until Nicieza came along.

As for Earth 2, if you're refering to the one from Solar, that Earth was in another solar system, not another reality.

As for space and the Lost Land, again, not only was there no indication of other realities, but if space had been a factor then it wouldn't have been limited to alternate realities, it would have also included space travel or even people walking down to the corner market suddenly finding themselves in the Lost Land.

And yeah, the Lost Land was supposedly destroyed in Unity, but then it came back in Turok and Chaos Effect

[Dr. Solar]

I don't remember if the lost land was destroyed at the end of Unity, but about the place where all space converges, the "unreality" that SOlar goes into kind of serves that purpose.

In Alpha & Omega, Seleski tells Pierce when they go into the unreality that it is like the "backdoor to everywhere".

I just read this again last night, so it is on my mind.

Also, for the record, all signs point to fusion reactor. Every reference made by Seleski in A&O and early SOlar issues is to fusion. "Advanced fusion research", "unlocking the mystery of fusion", at "Edgewater advanced fusion research center", etc.

[Dr. Solar]

What did it say in Rai 0, when Solar split after he let Gayle die?

The split version of Solar went off to explore other planes of reality or existence or something like that. Anyone have the panel?

[ManofTheAtom]

I don't remember if the lost land was destroyed at the end of Unity, but about the place where all space converges, the "unreality" that SOlar goes into kind of serves that purpose.

In Alpha & Omega, Seleski tells Pierce when they go into the unreality that it is like the "backdoor to everywhere".

I just read this again last night, so it is on my mind.

Also, for the record, all signs point to fusion reactor. Every reference made by Seleski in A&O and early SOlar issues is to fusion. "Advanced fusion research", "unlocking the mystery of fusion", at "Edgewater advanced fusion research center", etc.

Why is it that you keep ignoring the word "Energy" in the name?

Fusion isn't the only kind of energy. It's not a fusion research center, it's an energy research center that also uses fusion. That doesn't mean that Phil's reactor was a fusion reactor, it means that the place where the reactor was built also reseached fusion.

[X-O HoboJoe]

I interpreted that to be all existence equaling all realities, and remember wondering if it messed up other branches leading to that Earth-2 bizness. More room for Shooter to play with, but somewhat cliche for him.

Here's what I'm wondering now: Was the Lost Land a place where all time intersected? If so, what about all space? I got the impression that it appeared to exist outside of normal time/space, which allowed the odd properties of the place to be what they were.

And the LL was destroyed at the end of Unity was it not?

There's no indication that other realities existed at VALIANT, not until Nicieza came along.

As for Earth 2, if you're refering to the one from Solar, that Earth was in another solar system, not another reality.

As for space and the Lost Land, again, not only was there no indication of other realities, but if space had been a factor then it wouldn't have been limited to alternate realities, it would have also included space travel or even people walking down to the corner market suddenly finding themselves in the Lost Land.

And yeah, the Lost Land was supposedly destroyed in Unity, but then it came back in Turok and Chaos Effect

Earth-2 meaning the "multiple universe concept" aka "DC-lite" I try to avoid thinking about the later Solar books for fear I'll re-read the "gay dude with a crush on Solar" books.

I forgot all about the LL showing back up in Turok and CE. Makes sense tho -- If it "overlaps" all reality somehow, it would always be accessible from some place/time to before it was destroyed.

[Dr. Solar]

Phil says he is doing advanced research of fusion. He also says that he is trying to unlock the escrets of Fusion. That panel is tertiary evidence to what I am saying. I'll site my sources when I get home from work, but they come from A&O and Solar 1, all of which I read last night.

It doesn't say it outright, but someone doing research on fusion, who is building a reactor while unlocking the power/secrets of fusion, is probably building a fusion reactor.

That panel you keep citing has very very little to add or detract to my point.

Let's resume this discussion when I can site the sources for you, then we will both be on an even footing.

[ManofTheAtom]

Earth-2 meaning the "multiple universe concept" aka "DC-lite" I try to avoid thinking about the later Solar books for fear I'll re-read the "gay dude with a crush on Solar" books.

I forgot all about the LL showing back up in Turok and CE. Makes sense tho -- If it "overlaps" all reality somehow, it would always be accessible from some place/time to before it was destroyed.

Ah.

Well, there's no evidence in the VALIANT comics before Nicieza came along that alternate realities existed, not unless you give value to that throwaway line in Solar post BQuake.

[ManofTheAtom]

Phil says he is doing advanced research of fusion. He also says that he is trying to unlock the escrets of Fusion. That panel is tertiary evidence to what I am saying. I'll site my sources when I get home from work, but they come from A&O and Solar 1, all of which I read last night.

It doesn't say it outright, but someone doing research on fusion, who is building a reactor while unlocking the power/secrets of fusion, is probably building a fusion reactor.

That panel you keep citing has very very little to add or detract to my point.

Let's resume this discussion when I can site the sources for you, then we will both be on an even footing.

http://manoftheatom.fortunecity.com/index.html

There's A&0 online. Which page and which panel are you refering to?

[Dr. Solar]

http://manoftheatom.fortunecity.com/index.html

There's A&0 online. Which page and which panel are you refering to?

Feel free to read it yourself. it will stick out like a sore thumb when you read it.

I can't read through this now at work.

[ManofTheAtom]

http://manoftheatom.fortunecity.com/index.html

There's A&0 online. Which page and which panel are you refering to?

Feel free to read it yourself. it will stick out like a sore thumb when you read it.

I can't read through this now at work.

I can't read it now either.

You should know which page and panel, so it won't take you long to find it.

[Dr. Solar]

I can't read it now either.

You should know which page and panel, so it won't take you long to find it.

Believe it or not, I didn't memorize the comic.

That's why I have copies of it, so I can read them instead of just remembering it.