Mapping out VH1 here...

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:36 pm

wow fantastic ~ again.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:42 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:HELP!!!

Ok, so here is my dilemma..

Im looking at binding the Magnus Book 2.. but Im having some difficulty.

At the end of Chaos Effect, Magnus is sent back to the 90's and spends some time with the Harbinger kids. Most of his time is spend in Chaos Effect Epilogue 1 and 2.. and a bit in Harbinger 36? This is my question, if anyone should know.. in what title is Magnus sent BACK to the future so that he shows up in Magnus #43.

It looks like he pops through a Solar or Timewalker time portal hole.. I couldnt find this in the Solar books.. I guess I can check Timewalker.. anyone else know??

He is in Harby 37 for a few pages as well. The return port in Magnus when he comes back looks more like something from SOlar than Timewalker. I guess we just have to guess as to how he comes back?

Yes, I was told through an email that it was most likely Solar but that hadnt been shown 'on panel' yet. Seems as though maybe a YearBook story or something else was in the works to explain it.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:45 pm

Phoenix8008,

Great stuff there!! Wow, thats quite an undertaking.. and I can understand why you would do it that way. I already have my Psi Lords bound (Yep, its a wimpy book for sure! LOL)

Great ideas!!

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:59 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:
Fanboy375 wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:HELP!!!

Ok, so here is my dilemma..

Im looking at binding the Magnus Book 2.. but Im having some difficulty.

At the end of Chaos Effect, Magnus is sent back to the 90's and spends some time with the Harbinger kids. Most of his time is spend in Chaos Effect Epilogue 1 and 2.. and a bit in Harbinger 36? This is my question, if anyone should know.. in what title is Magnus sent BACK to the future so that he shows up in Magnus #43.

It looks like he pops through a Solar or Timewalker time portal hole.. I couldnt find this in the Solar books.. I guess I can check Timewalker.. anyone else know??

He is in Harby 37 for a few pages as well. The return port in Magnus when he comes back looks more like something from SOlar than Timewalker. I guess we just have to guess as to how he comes back?
Yes, I was told through an email that it was most likely Solar but that hadnt been shown 'on panel' yet. Seems as though maybe a YearBook story or something else was in the works to explain it.

Yep, Magnus is in Harby 36 as well as 37, but I couldn't find the actual port home there, or in MRF, or Timewalker, or Solar, or any of the Chaos Effect stuff. So must be off panel like your email source said.

Thanks for the compliment on the mapping. I'm combining several things like that where they seem to make sense and to keep from having a shrimpy Psi-Lords or Geomancer book by itself.

I can't wait to have my collection complete and be able to start binding them. Be so much fun to see them on the bookshelf!

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:45 am

Has anyone found a good place to put the Valiant Reader?

I personally was just going to slip it in as an extra in my Unity binding...

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:00 pm

Within the storylines themselves, there isn't a really good place to put the Valiant Reader. What I did was collect all of the miscellaneous stuff that didn't fit anywhere else and make a Valiant Miscellany book. (I did the same with the Acclaim material).

My Valiant Miscellany includes:
- Valiant Reader
- Secrets of the Valiant Universe 1-3 (#2 is duplicated in my Chaos Effect book)
- Valiant Era Companion(duplicated in one of my Eternal Warrior books)
- Darque Passages
- Deathmate (all of it)
- The Outcast
- Punx 1-3 and Manga Punx
- Valiant Vision Starter Kit
- Wizard's The Beginning of the Valiant Era magazine
- Radioactive Man 106 (the Gold Key spoof with the Valiant panel)

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:36 pm

So, gentlemen! How does one go about getting a PDF of Secret Weapons #22?

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:11 pm

Since I plan to bind every VH1 comic, I'm only interested in binding runs on individual titles, and NOT including the crossovers as outlined in the first post of this thread.

Yes, I know I'll be juggling 2 books when it's time to read the Malev War, but I'd rather do that than fill each binding with all the related titles and crossovers and take up more shelf space.

Has anyone bound their books by title only?

Any mapping suggestions as to where to place the cut off points between volumes?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:30 pm

Its all good, Beyonder.. everyone will do it a bit different.

I will admit that I had trouble sticking with titles only because of how intricate some of the stories became.

As far as cut off points, you can use the maps to help you.. other than that, volume size can be considered. 30 issues makes a very big book. Mine are a bit thinner because I take out double sided ads and back covers.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:16 pm

Im still working on my Magnus/Rai Books. I think I have them ready.

My Rai Book#1 will be a bit smaller than the others, but I can live with that. it includes the Magnus flip books, issues 1-8 and Rai 0.

schnuth · Post by **schnuth** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:57 am

Good call on the Rai. I think that is going to be one of the next titles I send off to be bound. The latest OTV podcast got me in the mood to read some Rai!

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:25 am

Phoenix8008 wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:Hey guys.. Im trying to take care of the Malev War book for Magnus and Rai.

Based on the map, the Malev War takes up 30 issues.. see:

Book 2 - The Malev War (This is a BIG ONE! -- 1080 pages)
Magnus Robot Fighter 21 - 24
Rai and the Future Force(RFF) 9, 25, RFF 10 - 11, 26 - 29, RFF15, 30, RFF 16, 31, RFF 17, 32 - 33, RFF 18, 34, RFF19, 35, RFF 20, 36, RFF 21, 37, RFF 22 - 23, 38

Notice that the only Rai issues that it is missing are issues: 12, 13 & 14.

If I add those 3 issues then it turns into a 33 issues monstrosity! BUT.. then its a Magnus book AND a Rai book.. no need to have two books made.

Anyone ever done a 33 issue monster bind?

I plan on taking out the ads, if I can, and the back covers. And I dont THINK there are any other special books that need to be added.

Anyone? Bueller?
Well, my take was pretty different. I decided to totally combine the Magnus, Rai, and Psi-Lords series into the same books. I'm all about the story and willing to mix up the titles some to only need one copy of each book for the binding of them.

My map for this 4001 AD complete crossover came out as follows:

Book 1: Original MRF 1, MRF & Nexus 1-2, Vintage MRF 1-4, MRF YB1, MRF 0-4, MRF/Rai flipbook 5-8, MRF 9-11, Predator vs. MRF 1-2, MRF 12-14, RAI 1-5 (30 issues)

Book 2: MRF 15, RAI 6, MRF 16, RAI 7-8, MRF 17-24, RFF 9, MRF 25, RFF 10-11, MRF 26-29, RFF 12-15, MRF 30, RFF 16, MRF 31, RFF 17, MRF 32-33, RFF 18 (32 issues)

Book 3: MRF 34, RFF 19, MRF 35, RFF 20, MRF 36, RFF 21, MRF 37, RFF 22-23, MRF 38-39, PSI 1-3, MRF 40, RAI 24-26, MRF 41, Chaos Effect Omega, CE Ep1-2, MRF 42, RAI 27-30, MRF 43-46 (31 issues)

Book 4: PSI 4-7, Destroyer 0, PSI 8-10, MRF 47-48, RAI 31-33, MRF 49-64 (29 issues)

Total of 122 issues. It could also be broken out into 5 smaller books instead of 4 BIG books by placing the volume break points after MRF 14 for the end of book 1 (w/25 issues); after MRF 29 for end of book 2 (w/26 issues); after PSI 3 for end of book 3 (w/25 issues); after PSI 10 for the end of book 4 (w/25 issues); and finally after MRF 64 obviously for the end of book 5 (w/21 issues).

This is my plan at least, once I finish getting the few issues I need still and have a stable permanent job with money to spare for binding stuff. On the bright side, at least they have a Valiant spine decal which they didn't have a year or two ago when I first started thinking about binding my comics. I guess some good things do come to those who (are forced to) wait!

I like this idea. Does it use Every issue of Magnus Rai and PSI lords?
What about accliam? What to do with those?

I am putting sets together and remembered this post. Saves so much doubling up.
I prefer smaller amounts of issues per hardcover. Even 18 is big I think.

I was going to put PSI lords after Hardcorps.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:58 am

If I were to do it again, I would mix Psi Lords in with Magnus and Rai... not that that series brings a TON to the overall story.. just that they woudl be in there nad it would avoid the cost of a bind.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:01 am

Phantom. wrote:
Phoenix8008 wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:Hey guys.. Im trying to take care of the Malev War book for Magnus and Rai.

Based on the map, the Malev War takes up 30 issues.. see:

Book 2 - The Malev War (This is a BIG ONE! -- 1080 pages)
Magnus Robot Fighter 21 - 24
Rai and the Future Force(RFF) 9, 25, RFF 10 - 11, 26 - 29, RFF15, 30, RFF 16, 31, RFF 17, 32 - 33, RFF 18, 34, RFF19, 35, RFF 20, 36, RFF 21, 37, RFF 22 - 23, 38

Notice that the only Rai issues that it is missing are issues: 12, 13 & 14.

If I add those 3 issues then it turns into a 33 issues monstrosity! BUT.. then its a Magnus book AND a Rai book.. no need to have two books made.

Anyone ever done a 33 issue monster bind?

I plan on taking out the ads, if I can, and the back covers. And I dont THINK there are any other special books that need to be added.

Anyone? Bueller?
Well, my take was pretty different. I decided to totally combine the Magnus, Rai, and Psi-Lords series into the same books. I'm all about the story and willing to mix up the titles some to only need one copy of each book for the binding of them.

My map for this 4001 AD complete crossover came out as follows:

Book 1: Original MRF 1, MRF & Nexus 1-2, Vintage MRF 1-4, MRF YB1, MRF 0-4, MRF/Rai flipbook 5-8, MRF 9-11, Predator vs. MRF 1-2, MRF 12-14, RAI 1-5 (30 issues)

Book 2: MRF 15, RAI 6, MRF 16, RAI 7-8, MRF 17-24, RFF 9, MRF 25, RFF 10-11, MRF 26-29, RFF 12-15, MRF 30, RFF 16, MRF 31, RFF 17, MRF 32-33, RFF 18 (32 issues)

Book 3: MRF 34, RFF 19, MRF 35, RFF 20, MRF 36, RFF 21, MRF 37, RFF 22-23, MRF 38-39, PSI 1-3, MRF 40, RAI 24-26, MRF 41, Chaos Effect Omega, CE Ep1-2, MRF 42, RAI 27-30, MRF 43-46 (31 issues)

Book 4: PSI 4-7, Destroyer 0, PSI 8-10, MRF 47-48, RAI 31-33, MRF 49-64 (29 issues)

Total of 122 issues. It could also be broken out into 5 smaller books instead of 4 BIG books by placing the volume break points after MRF 14 for the end of book 1 (w/25 issues); after MRF 29 for end of book 2 (w/26 issues); after PSI 3 for end of book 3 (w/25 issues); after PSI 10 for the end of book 4 (w/25 issues); and finally after MRF 64 obviously for the end of book 5 (w/21 issues).

This is my plan at least, once I finish getting the few issues I need still and have a stable permanent job with money to spare for binding stuff. On the bright side, at least they have a Valiant spine decal which they didn't have a year or two ago when I first started thinking about binding my comics. I guess some good things do come to those who (are forced to) wait!
I like this idea. Does it use Every issue of Magnus Rai and PSI lords?
What about accliam? What to do with those?

I am putting sets together and remembered this post. Saves so much doubling up.
I prefer smaller amounts of issues per hardcover. Even 18 is big I think.

I was going to put PSI lords after Hardcorps.

It uses every issue of Magnus, Rai, and Psi-lords in VH1 that I know of. I'm not collecting any of the Acclaim stuff myself, so they aren't included and I'm not sure what you would want to do with them. Maybe make a seperate book with them? Or put them at the end of your last book if there is room? Not sure how many issues they are all together or how intertwined the Acclaim stuff was story-wise.

The doubling up was the first reason I decided on doing my mapping this way myself. I realized I was going to have to have nearly two sets of Magnus and Rai to bind the stories together without needing to bounce back and forth from one hardback to another.

Then there was the discovery that the Rai and Psi-lords series' really just continued in the Magnus line after the individual titles were cancelled. I figured this out while I was going through every issue of Magnus, Rai, and Psi-lords looking for the in-story dates listed so that I could build a timeline to put all these issues in chronological order.

As far as number of issues you put in per book, that's not too horrible to change. Once you have all the issues and put them in the above order(if that's what you are using), you can read through them and see where a good break point falls for the story that is within the range you are looking for to bind your own books.

Edit: For about 18 issues per book, you'd need to split the 122 issues into about 7 books (122 divided by 7 = 17.43). With the Acclaim stuff added in, it would be more.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:40 am

As far as the Acclaim books. It seems that most people are interested in only some of the material. Solar, Unity 2000, Shadowman V2&3.. maybe Quantum and woody. It seems that people may want to bind those smaller series together.

I plan on binding Q&W and maybe a Shadowman book with V2&3 in it.
Im not much into the Bloodshot, Magnus, Nio or other books from Acclaim. Not that they are bad, I think they are probably good stories. I just havent exposed myself to them. Maybe I should see if a board member will allow me to borrow one of those in a bound edition?

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:07 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:As far as the Acclaim books. It seems that most people are interested in only some of the material. Solar, Unity 2000, Shadowman V2&3.. maybe Quantum and woody. It seems that people may want to bind those smaller series together.

I plan on binding Q&W and maybe a Shadowman book with V2&3 in it.
Im not much into the Bloodshot, Magnus, Nio or other books from Acclaim. Not that they are bad, I think they are probably good stories. I just havent exposed myself to them. Maybe I should see if a board member will allow me to borrow one of those in a bound edition?

I just find that I'm not at all interested in exposing myself further to the Acclaim stuff. I've got a couple of the books, but I'd be happy to sell them to anyone wanting them. I don't want them, but I don't outright hate them either. Not gonna have an Acclaim book burning or anything. Others can like them, and they may well have some good stories and art. But for me it pollutes the memories of the excellent originals.

Once in a great while, a reboot can outshine the original. But I think its rarer in comics than in movies. Mostly because in movies the tech can change so drastically over the years, and that is what helps a movie reboot to outdo it's original usually. With comics, it doesn't work as well. Marvel's ultimate line is probably the exception. But then again, that's an additional line of comics, not a replacement. I think people would have a different opinion of the Ultimate line if Marvel had closed up shop on the original Marvel U and then restarted it with the Ultimate line. Good stories and great art? Sure. But heresy against the memories of the originals.

To me, it was the final admission of failure by Acclaim and Valiant as they veered further away from what Shooter had begun. They couldn't keep readers of their comics interested with the original titles and characters at the end of VH1. So they got desperate enough to try a universe reboot so that they could screw with the continuity and history to their hearts content. Big surprise to them when that didn't work I bet. Just shows how little they understood that the history and continuity was the bedrock Shooter had built the universe on. Why else go to so much trouble to keep the books in 'real time' and properly connected with one another? It's like Bush saying he 'abandoned free market principles to save the free market system'!

But I digress, as this all has nothing to do with mapping or binding. So I'll stop my mini-rant there.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:50 pm

BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:45 pm

MoonChild wrote:BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.

Ive heard good things about Bloodshot.. I might need to buy me a set

Or... if youve bound it.. can you send it my way for a quick read??

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:08 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.
Ive heard good things about Bloodshot.. I might need to buy me a set Or... if youve bound it.. can you send it my way for a quick read??

haha yea right! i'll send you my family airlumes too right

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:04 pm

I think I am sold on the 4000 ad collection

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:12 pm

Phantom. wrote:I think I am sold on the 4000 ad collection

Awesome! I can't wait to be able to afford sending some of mine in for binding. I'm going to start with a couple that I care least about to learn from the process and be able to make sure the ones I want the most are perfect.

I should be getting my final pieces of my Valiant collection in the mail any day now. Then I'll have everything I need to start binding when I can come up with the cash.

I'm glad my work on mapping all those chronologically will go to good use for someone besides myself.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:40 pm

MoonChild wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.
Ive heard good things about Bloodshot.. I might need to buy me a set Or... if youve bound it.. can you send it my way for a quick read??
haha yea right! i'll send you my family airlumes too right

Im serious! LOL.. It would be, what $3 shipping? Then Id ship it back.. I just want to read through the series without needing to buy it. Id even trade something in the meantime

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:23 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.
Ive heard good things about Bloodshot.. I might need to buy me a set Or... if youve bound it.. can you send it my way for a quick read??
haha yea right! i'll send you my family airlumes too right
Im serious! LOL.. It would be, what $3 shipping? Then Id ship it back.. I just want to read through the series without needing to buy it. Id even trade something in the meantime

Are you talking about the Acclaim Bloodshot series, or the Valiant? If you are interested in the Acclaim ones, I'll send the issues 1 & 2 and you can keep them. PM me an address if interested.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:14 pm

Phoenix8008 wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:
MoonChild wrote:BloodShot was the best of the Acclaim stuff.
Ive heard good things about Bloodshot.. I might need to buy me a set Or... if youve bound it.. can you send it my way for a quick read??
haha yea right! i'll send you my family airlumes too right
Im serious! LOL.. It would be, what $3 shipping? Then Id ship it back.. I just want to read through the series without needing to buy it. Id even trade something in the meantime
Are you talking about the Acclaim Bloodshot series, or the Valiant? If you are interested in the Acclaim ones, I'll send the issues 1 & 2 and you can keep them. PM me an address if interested.

Thanks Phoenix.. but you dont have to do that. Honestly, I dont have the room.. or they would get lost LOL. I was hoping that I could just read the entire series at one sitting

Thanks for the offer though, thats very kind of you

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:16 pm

Once you see my Bound Acclaim BloodShot You'll know why I would never loan it out bro! its only 16 cheap issues! Don't be a cheapskate! There's even letters from Kevin Vanhook himself praising the direction in those issues so open your mind man! Open your mind!