Mapping out VH1 here...

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:38 pm

Looks like a great map!! Well done and a lot of research!

You're right about Rai 33... the story doesnt end there. Sure you could keep going in Magnus.. or redirect the reader there.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:26 am

Hmmm, I just had another crazy thought. What if I just went ahead and combined ALL of the Rai and Magnus books together from the get go?

I mean, it starts out combined with the flipbooks. There is so much crossover already in the Malev War... and the later issues of Magnus are already a combo of Magnus, Rai, and Psi-Lords stories.

It would be huge. It would be like 2-3 more books. But people wouldn't need to have duplicates of nearly all Magnus and Rai issues. Just the one copy of each series. I mean the only issues of Rai which aren't already in the Magnus books (if doing the full Malev War crossover) are 1-8, 12-14, and 24-33. That's only 20 more issues! That's only one more book instead of the 2 or 3 that I guessed! Wow!

I'm really gonna have to consider this now and see if I can map out how I'd want this to go for a possible Magnus/Rai/Psi-Lords book. That's all of the 4001 titles, right? Other than Destroyer which just goes in with the Psi-Lords stuff.

Time to dig back in tomorrow and see where stuff falls chronologically and where the break points of the books would end up. See if it can be made to come out well. Wish me luck.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Thu May 14, 2009 5:59 am

Yes, you can do it that way as well. These are your books so you can do whatever you think is best.

Im going to do mine by a combination of title, then story line. I want to keep the titles mostly separate.

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:19 am

It's interesting, because the mapping/binding discussions and my own obsession has really helped drive which titles I want and which issues I need to get. The Rai/Magnus discussion is a perfect example. I don't have complete sets of either title yet, but I'm closer to and more interested in a Magnus bind up until the Chaos Effect, so my interest in Rai is mostly in getting the issues I need that directly cross over and influence Magnus. I may never worry to much about a seperate Rai bind.

My Shadowman bind is like that to. Since I have that nearly complete, I'm more interested in pulling in SLoDM and X-O crossover stuff, since neither of those titles are near complete and may possibly never be.

It's a whole new way to process what I want to read, rather than worry about getting *everything*!

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Sat May 16, 2009 8:42 am

One thing I noticed that I think should be fixed for the master list in the first post of this thread: Placement of Eternal Warrior YB1 shouldn't be between 17 and 18. Those issues are the first two in the story arc where Gilad and Geoff are chasing down the 30 silver coins. YB1 should probably be between 16 and 17 instead. That's the only 'official' change I could see the master list needing. The rest of this post is my personal ideas, so feel free to ignore.

I think YB2 should be alot earlier in the mapping if its supposed to be chronological. The date near the end of the story (when Gilad is talking to his girlfriend in 'the present') says May of 1993. All the rest of the issues around where it's currently mapped at say its 1994 then. After looking around some, the best place I could find for it was right after YB1. Both YB books happen in the same blond girlfriends apartment in NYC. They both would definitely have to be before the 'Mortal Kin' story arc later on where several of Gilad's old girlfriends are killed by one of his offspring during the time that he has the mexican/american girlfriend.

I've also decided to add the Geomancer books into my EW stuff for binding since it would be so small by itself and it ties in so much to EW stuff. I had fun trying to figure out where to stick the EW: Fist and Steel stuff since it was Geomancer training, but in the GEO comics Gilad pretty much got fired before there was any training. Despite what is on the cover of the second issue though, the Geomancer had his original walking stick (with the strap handle) in the issues instead of the shepards crook staff he finds inside the sphinx in GEO #3. So I decided to put F&S between GEO 2 and 3. So my mapping for them all together is as follows:

Eternal Warrior/Geomancer
Book 1: Valiant Era Companion 1, EW 1-16, YB1, YB2, EW 17-20 (23 issues)
Book 2: EW 21-24, A&A 25, EW 25, EW 26/A&A 26, EW 27, Geo 1-2, F&S 1-2, Geo 3-8, EW 28-31 (23 issues)
Book 3: EW 32-35, EW:Wings, EW 36-50 (20 issues)
*Geo 1 has a wrap around cover to refold.
* With issues 26, cut in half, flip, and place in reading order.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:18 pm

Thanks for the corrections and for your map! It looks great! Ive admitted this before, but I will do it again: Getting Geomancer bound all by its lonesome was a bad move for me. Do you think it reads well with Eternal Warrior? I dont know the Geomancer title very well. Does the storyline stay close to EW? Does the Geomancer make appearances in the EW title after the end of the Geomancer title?

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Sat May 23, 2009 8:20 am

IanAlexavier wrote:Thanks for the corrections and for your map! It looks great! Ive admitted this before, but I will do it again: Getting Geomancer bound all by its lonesome was a bad move for me. Do you think it reads well with Eternal Warrior? I dont know the Geomancer title very well. Does the storyline stay close to EW? Does the Geomancer make appearances in the EW title after the end of the Geomancer title?

I think it does okay together. The first two issues are the new Geomancer dealing with Gilad and basically firing him from the position of geomancer defender. I put the two Fist and Steel EW comics after that to show the rest of the 'training'. The other 6 Geo comics don't deal with EW at all really but with that few number of issues I just shoved them in there together to get them over with since it is kind of one continuous story arc with no good break points. The Geomancer doesn't really show up again in EW until the final issue, but it is an important appearance for the finale.

I've already gone and sorted my Magnus/Rai/Psi-Lords into the configuration for binding from a few posts back and I like it. Now I've got some duplicates that I don't need anymore and I have all the issues I need for binding those titles now.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:32 pm

Excellent!!!

Im so glad that binding is working out for you and taking care of your collecting/ reading needs!

Have you sent any in to get bound yet? I cant remember.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:43 am

Nope. Haven't sent any away for binding yet. As close as I am to finishing the collection I want to do that first and then start getting them bound I think.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:51 pm

Thanks for Mr Woogieman, Im able to start working on my Magnus #2 volume. That Magnus 21 gold will look VERY pretty in the front of my bound book!!

I think I will put together about 6 more books and send them in, but I think this next group will be second tier characters or the second volume of the titles because of possible future binding projects over at VCS.

The Unity project is beautiful!!

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:50 pm

Wow, amazing how time flies. Since becoming unemployed a few days after my last post above (in May), my finances haven't been able to support getting any more comics in a while, let alone sending any off to get bound. With luck, I'll find some work again soon and start to get going again on those goals.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:30 pm

Phoenix8008 wrote:Wow, amazing how time flies. Since becoming unemployed a few days after my last post above (in May), my finances haven't been able to support getting any more comics in a while, let alone sending any off to get bound. With luck, I'll find some work again soon and start to get going again on those goals.

Good luck with the job hunting.

schnuth · Post by **schnuth** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:00 pm

Thanks a lot for everyone's hard work mapping these out. I've been using this thread for reference lately. I just sent in 4 volumes to Library Binding today for Harbinger, Archer & Armstrong, and Unity. I really can't wait to get them back!

I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together? After cutting my Archer & Armstrong #25 in half and flipping it I'm a little more confident in doing that, but that is also a pretty easy book to replace on the cheap. I'm thinking of just leaving them together as that's how I'm used to reading them, but I'm not too sure.

Aaron

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:54 pm

Good Stuff, I'm still getting all my bonus material together and printed so I can send em off for binding, can't wait. I'm actually using the Alpha & Omega TPB for mine with a new custom cover and back cover. I like the quality better than the inserts in the original comics. A&A makes sense to flip the book for sure. Best thing about binding is you can do it however you like so they are always 1 of a kind.

schnuth wrote:Thanks a lot for everyone's hard work mapping these out. I've been using this thread for reference lately. I just sent in 4 volumes to Library Binding today for Harbinger, Archer & Armstrong, and Unity. I really can't wait to get them back!

I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together? After cutting my Archer & Armstrong #25 in half and flipping it I'm a little more confident in doing that, but that is also a pretty easy book to replace on the cheap. I'm thinking of just leaving them together as that's how I'm used to reading them, but I'm not too sure.

Aaron

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:06 pm

schnuth wrote:I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together?
Aaron

What I did was remove the inserts completely. Then I got a copy of the Alpha and Omega TPB, removed the covers and bound that in front of Solar 1.

I don't remember the exact issue, but one of the insert pages had story content or something that made it unfeasible to bind like I would have preferred. So the TPB was, to me, a good alternative.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:58 pm

Steve Topper wrote:
schnuth wrote:I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together?
Aaron
What I did was remove the inserts completely. Then I got a copy of the Alpha and Omega TPB, removed the covers and bound that in front of Solar 1.

I don't remember the exact issue, but one of the insert pages had story content or something that made it unfeasible to bind like I would have preferred. So the TPB was, to me, a good alternative.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:27 pm

Steve Topper wrote:
schnuth wrote:I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together?
Aaron
What I did was remove the inserts completely. Then I got a copy of the Alpha and Omega TPB, removed the covers and bound that in front of Solar 1.

I don't remember the exact issue, but one of the insert pages had story content or something that made it unfeasible to bind like I would have preferred. So the TPB was, to me, a good alternative.

Thats the way Im doing it...

Yes, in one of the books, the A&A story is on the back of one of the regular issues pages.. and so there is a dilemma! LOL.. Plus the A&A inserts are on different stock. At first I was going to use them, but then got my hands on a cheap A&A TPB.. thats my plan

Schnuth, we all do it a little differently.. I take off my back covers and all of the internal ads ... but thats just me LOL

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:28 pm

schnuth wrote:Thanks a lot for everyone's hard work mapping these out. I've been using this thread for reference lately. I just sent in 4 volumes to Library Binding today for Harbinger, Archer & Armstrong, and Unity. I really can't wait to get them back!

I've just about finished up my Solar run and think I'll be binding that next. For those of you who have bound Solar how did you approach the Alpha Omega inserts? Did you leave them be, or cut and move them together? After cutting my Archer & Armstrong #25 in half and flipping it I'm a little more confident in doing that, but that is also a pretty easy book to replace on the cheap. I'm thinking of just leaving them together as that's how I'm used to reading them, but I'm not too sure.

Aaron

Also, be sure to double check the maps and post any discrepancies or ideas here so we can add them

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:53 pm

And if you ever get down to the Dayton area from Toledo, look me up and I can show you some bound collections

schnuth · Post by **schnuth** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:43 am

Awesome, thanks for all the good ideas! I can't wait to get my first bound volumes back but already I'm thinking of what my next batch will be.

I can see this getting really addictive really quick.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:50 am

schnuth wrote:Awesome, thanks for all the good ideas! I can't wait to get my first bound volumes back but already I'm thinking of what my next batch will be. I can see this getting really addictive really quick.

It sure can! One of the things I have done is to include some of the more hard to find, variant books.. such as the gold books, in my bound volumes. I dont use nice copies though, I wait around until I find a damaged copy to use. I feel pretty good about 'saving' a gold book that way

I might even have found a Harby pink and Chaos Effect Red fro my binds

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:07 am

Secret Weapons
Book 1: 1-3,Bloodshot 11,412, Bloodshot 20, 13-19, Bloodshot 27, 20, Bloodshot 28, 21, Bloodshot 29

** Issue 2 has a wrap around cover. Fold the back cover around to face the front
** Bloodshot 20 has a wrap around cover as well
**You may also want to include the Fan Finished Secret Weapons 22 at the end of this book.

What about Harbinger 29 ~ it continues the storyline from Scret weapons issue 8.

Have been away from this thread for awhile.

Are all the updates on the first post?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:24 am

Phantom. wrote:Secret Weapons
Book 1: 1-3,Bloodshot 11,412, Bloodshot 20, 13-19, Bloodshot 27, 20, Bloodshot 28, 21, Bloodshot 29

** Issue 2 has a wrap around cover. Fold the back cover around to face the front
** Bloodshot 20 has a wrap around cover as well
**You may also want to include the Fan Finished Secret Weapons 22 at the end of this book.

What about Harbinger 29 ~ it continues the storyline from Scret weapons issue 8.

Have been away from this thread for awhile.

Are all the updates on the first post?

Great catch, Phantom!.. Although I dont have issue 29 in front of me, Im thinking that it didnt further the Secret Weapons storyline but focused more on Harby response..

Ive added your suggestion to the maps on the first page, and of course, you can build your book anyway you like

Phantom.. · Post by **Phantom..** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:05 pm

Good to chat again.
We used to PM all the time.

I am organising all my valiant comics at the moment into binding piles.
Saw the cover, and the first few pages.

The binding of valiant tittles is different than binding comic titles of other company's.

With other compnaies. Like My moon knight collection (only marvel I have) every apperance I have. And even comics that he doesn't appear in, but leads up to the storyline in Moon Knight. My seem over the top, but it is my only glimpse of the marvel universe.

In valiant, you don't need to so much. As you own the whole universe anyway. Their is so many apperances of charactors in other titles. But doesn't affect 'effect their title.

As for Ninjak volume two. I don't know how to bind that into Ninjak. I was thinking of burning them and putting a small packet of ashes stapled to the last page.

schnuth · Post by **schnuth** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:04 am

Phantom. wrote: As for Ninjak volume two. I don't know how to bind that into Ninjak. I was thinking of burning them and putting a small packet of ashes stapled to the last page.