Valiant Bloopers

[Todd Luck]

Another classic blooper that's been pointed out on here before: In Harbinger 1 Harada introduces himself to Pete and tells him who he is as if he's never met Peter face to face. Harbinger 0 showed Harada helping to train Pete before he went "renegade".

It's hard to say if it's a real blooper or if they just decided a more exciting story was worth contradicting one line of dialog (as in Shadowman 0). I assume Harbinger 0 was written after Shooter got the boot.

[Todd Luck]

I think this counts as a blooper. Another example of Valiant heroes with bad memories:

In Secret Weapons 2 Shadowman rides piggyback with X-O to get Stronghold to a local hospital (boy, imagine the reaction when those guys walked into the ER )

Anyway, in the second part of the Shadowman vs. X-O fight in Shadowman 37 it shows in a recap that X-O attacked Jack because his armor sensed Spider Alien blood in him.

I know Aric is not a genius but shouldn't he have recognized Shadowman and figured something was wrong since his previous armor didn't have the same reaction?

Maybe Aric's been hanging around Harada too long (see my post above)

[cshepard81]

Sorry for the bump or if this has been mentioned somewhere else before, but I was rereading the Unity TPBs and noticed in Vol. 1 (Unity #0), Solar gives Geoff his left hand. Later, in Vol. 3 (EW #2), Geoff is holding Solar's right hand.

[ManofTheAtom]

In the Archer & Armstrong issues with Shadowman in them, Darque and Jack talk about how a witch told Jack how he's going to die in Sept 9th 1999 fighting Darque. Unfortutely the conversation never happened. The only info Jack had about his future came from Elya and a fortune teller in Shadowman 9. Elya may not be very nice sometimes but I wouldn't call her a witch .

In fact, far as I know, the date came from nowhere. Elya never actually gave him any date, just the year.

[BodaZoffa]

I finally read Shadowman 0 for the first time recently, and I thought it seemed a little "off" compared to the first few issues of the series. What I mean is it just felt like they basically came up with an origin that was not planned out that way from the beginning.

For example, when Lydia gets distracted in SH #1 and prevented from killing Jack, I always thought it tied in directly with the events of XO #4. Instead, it had nothing to do with it. I also always thought Lydia's attack somehow triggered Jack's latent powers, much like Sting and Harada are able to trigger Harbinger powers. Instead, they made it so Lydia *repressed* the Shadowman powers. It all seemed kind of like a "tacked on" origin that they came up with after the fact.

Yeah it felt very tacked on but it still worked okay. But they didn't change the thing the bite did to Jack in the first 13 issues of the comic: it gave him the uncontrolable urge to go out into the night and get rid it of "demons" (a predatory urge Lydia "passed on" to Jack). His "superpowers" didn't start showing up until issue 14 and then a few issues after that they established the bite supressed those powers AND made him nuts at night. Ofcourse Shadowman 0 restated all that. Personally I always liked Jack without "superpowers" but Bob Hall had some fun with the new powers and made it work.

One thing that always mystified me about the orginal scene in Shadowman 1 with Lydia, yeah it appeared to be X-O that scared her away, but I also recall a lot of light pouring through that window in that scene. What was the light supposed to be from? X-O shooting a really bright laser?

I thought it was from a Spider-Alien ship.

[Todd Luck]

In the Archer & Armstrong issues with Shadowman in them, Darque and Jack talk about how a witch told Jack how he's going to die in Sept 9th 1999 fighting Darque. Unfortutely the conversation never happened. The only info Jack had about his future came from Elya and a fortune teller in Shadowman 9. Elya may not be very nice sometimes but I wouldn't call her a witch .

In fact, far as I know, the date came from nowhere. Elya never actually gave him any date, just the year.

Well that's just what we saw on panel in Shadowman 5.

I was paraphrasing the conversation in A & A. Jack only mentions 1999, not a date. Reading the scene back through, maybe he just messing with Darque's head but that doesn't really make a lot of sense either.

Earlier Shadowman issues do show Jack knowing the exact day he dies and that Elya was his source.

[Todd Luck]

I finally read Shadowman 0 for the first time recently, and I thought it seemed a little "off" compared to the first few issues of the series. What I mean is it just felt like they basically came up with an origin that was not planned out that way from the beginning.

For example, when Lydia gets distracted in SH #1 and prevented from killing Jack, I always thought it tied in directly with the events of XO #4. Instead, it had nothing to do with it. I also always thought Lydia's attack somehow triggered Jack's latent powers, much like Sting and Harada are able to trigger Harbinger powers. Instead, they made it so Lydia *repressed* the Shadowman powers. It all seemed kind of like a "tacked on" origin that they came up with after the fact.

Yeah it felt very tacked on but it still worked okay. But they didn't change the thing the bite did to Jack in the first 13 issues of the comic: it gave him the uncontrolable urge to go out into the night and get rid it of "demons" (a predatory urge Lydia "passed on" to Jack). His "superpowers" didn't start showing up until issue 14 and then a few issues after that they established the bite supressed those powers AND made him nuts at night. Ofcourse Shadowman 0 restated all that. Personally I always liked Jack without "superpowers" but Bob Hall had some fun with the new powers and made it work.

One thing that always mystified me about the orginal scene in Shadowman 1 with Lydia, yeah it appeared to be X-O that scared her away, but I also recall a lot of light pouring through that window in that scene. What was the light supposed to be from? X-O shooting a really bright laser?

I thought it was from a Spider-Alien ship.

Retroactively, it probably was a Siper Alien ship in Shadowman 0. Looking through some of the early Valiant's it does look like X-O's laser could've lit up the street that brightly at night.

[shadowmite]

I've been trying to find the book but I cant remember which one it is. Anyway, theres another issue that says that Darque made a pact with the spider-aliens and that it was the spider-aliens who transported lydia away right as she was going to eat jack (all part of darques plan). Thats what the light and the bubbles in shadowman 1 were.

Anyone else remember this?

[Todd Luck]

I've been trying to find the book but I cant remember which one it is. Anyway, theres another issue that says that Darque made a pact with the spider-aliens and that it was the spider-aliens who transported lydia away right as she was going to eat jack (all part of darques plan). Thats what the light and the bubbles in shadowman 1 were.

Anyone else remember this?

Yes, that was Shadowman 0. A bit of retroactive continuity, but I didn't mind. Hall managed to get a good story out of it.