VH 3 Artwork

[ManofTheAtom]

I just remembered I have these.
carmenmiragevh3.jpg
carmen mirage vh 3.jpg

That actually sounds pretty cool. Wish we could have seen more of Perham's work.

Yeah.

[ManofTheAtom]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

[ManofTheAtom]

Check that out

In that thread, Walter Black/Time Will Tell said,

Just for the record... James Perham had no authority to change anything with respect to Unity 2000, nor did he have any authority to create a VH3 universe.

-TWT

James Perham had no authority to say what he said at Wizard World. There were no plans to publish a VH3 universe at that time. Nothing he talked about doing ever saw the light of day, nor was it ever going to.
-TWT

he has doing this without the authority of Acclaim. When the powers that be found out about this, the project(s) were stopped.

-TWT

[ManofTheAtom]

Well, here is where the Doctor Mirage art was posted, but it's no longer visible. There's the plot at least.

[ManofTheAtom]

Found the VH 3 Doctor Mirage images. SonicDan saved them and reposted them.

[magnusr]

I was going to comment on Facebook that you might have confused the VH 3 Magnus reboot with the Sotomayor pitch that's been discussed here SonicDan has on his website in the link posted above.

Clearly, they have different art and design styles.

I'll post this on the FB page so others can see it too.

Just answered on Facebook (and while typing here I see that you've already commented ). This piece of art, despite the difference in style, is also from the work leading up to the Sotomayor pitch. I think its an early concept. I have this piece more fresh in my memory than the final art because I have it hanging on my wall. I personally think these guys could have published a better series than what we got from Dynamite. It was clear that they were commited to making a great comic.

/Magnus

[ManofTheAtom]

I was going to comment on Facebook that you might have confused the VH 3 Magnus reboot with the Sotomayor pitch that's been discussed here SonicDan has on his website in the link posted above.

Clearly, they have different art and design styles.

I'll post this on the FB page so others can see it too.

Just answered on Facebook (and while typing here I see that you've already commented ). This piece of art, despite the difference in style, is also from the work leading up to the Sotomayor pitch. I think its an early concept. I have this piece more fresh in my memory than the final art because I have it hanging on my wall. I personally think these guys could have published a better series than what we got from Dynamite. It was clear that they were commited to making a great comic.

/Magnus

Nice.

Yeah, no doubt it would have been better than the iBooks version, the Dark Horse version and, certainly, the Dynamite version, heh.

[Ryan]

Good stuff, thanks for digging that up MOTA!

Are there images from VH3 Magnus? I don't have facebook. What's the connection between the VH3 version and the Sotomayor/Clauretie pitch?

[Ryan]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

I do remember that as well. We need to gather all of the VH3 stuff once and for all heh. Do you happen to know what issue of Wizard that was, or what was on the cover?

[Ryan]

Poor Magnus, he's had so many reboots by now.

Just might be the character that has been published by the most number of publishers.

/Magnus

Yes, actually quite an achievement if you think about it

[ManofTheAtom]

Good stuff, thanks for digging that up MOTA!

Are there images from VH3 Magnus? I don't have facebook. What's the connection between the VH3 version and the Sotomayor/Clauretie pitch?

No connection, two different pitches. I believe Sotomayor intended to publish through Image.

[ManofTheAtom]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

I do remember that as well. We need to gather all of the VH3 stuff once and for all heh. Do you happen to know what issue of Wizard that was, or what was on the cover?

No clue whatsoever. It's possible that image is somewhere on this board.

[Ryan]

Good stuff, thanks for digging that up MOTA!

Are there images from VH3 Magnus? I don't have facebook. What's the connection between the VH3 version and the Sotomayor/Clauretie pitch?

No connection, two different pitches. I believe Sotomayor intended to publish through Image.

That's what I thought. So post Unity 2000 VH3 still had the GK license (or at least they thought did) late in the year 2000.

Once that fell apart, Acclaim ceased all publishing. Without even finishing U2K. We can assume that probably happened not long after this interview, late 2000 or early 2001.

Sotomayor's pitch is from around 2002, the first post-Valiant/Acclaim attempt to use the GK characters.

[Ryan]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

I do remember that as well. We need to gather all of the VH3 stuff once and for all heh. Do you happen to know what issue of Wizard that was, or what was on the cover?

No clue whatsoever. It's possible that image is somewhere on this board.

Boom! found it at the All Thing Valiant blog (a great resource) https://allthingsvaliant.blogspot.com/2 ... l-art.html

Unpublished - Master Darque designs

No idea what this is for but it's a new look Master Darque that was faxed from Steven Butler (the artist?) to Jim Perham. Could this be related to the unpublished Master Darque books that Perham was planning for 1999/2000? I am not a fan of the art (look at that face on the right) or the costumes.

[ManofTheAtom]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

I do remember that as well. We need to gather all of the VH3 stuff once and for all heh. Do you happen to know what issue of Wizard that was, or what was on the cover?

No clue whatsoever. It's possible that image is somewhere on this board.

Boom! found it at the All Thing Valiant blog (a great resource) https://allthingsvaliant.blogspot.com/2 ... l-art.html

Unpublished - Master Darque designs

No idea what this is for but it's a new look Master Darque that was faxed from Steven Butler (the artist?) to Jim Perham. Could this be related to the unpublished Master Darque books that Perham was planning for 1999/2000? I am not a fan of the art (look at that face on the right) or the costumes.

That's the one (the one on the left). In the Wizard ad, it was a full body shot in color.

[ManofTheAtom]

Good stuff, thanks for digging that up MOTA!

Are there images from VH3 Magnus? I don't have facebook. What's the connection between the VH3 version and the Sotomayor/Clauretie pitch?

No connection, two different pitches. I believe Sotomayor intended to publish through Image.

That's what I thought. So post Unity 2000 VH3 still had the GK license (or at least they thought did) late in the year 2000.

Once that fell apart, Acclaim ceased all publishing. Without even finishing U2K. We can assume that probably happened not long after this interview, late 2000 or early 2001.

Sotomayor's pitch is from around 2002, the first post-Valiant/Acclaim attempt to use the GK characters.

Sounds right.

[Ryan]

Thinking back to it, there was also a Master Darque design that appeared in an issue of Wizard (which I most likely than not have in a box upstairs, just don't ask me to find it).

Design-wise, VH 3 Darque looked exactly like the VH 1 version, except that, in this image at least, he had a goatee, a ponytail, and wore a tailored suit.

I do remember that as well. We need to gather all of the VH3 stuff once and for all heh. Do you happen to know what issue of Wizard that was, or what was on the cover?

No clue whatsoever. It's possible that image is somewhere on this board.

Boom! found it at the All Thing Valiant blog (a great resource) https://allthingsvaliant.blogspot.com/2 ... l-art.html

Unpublished - Master Darque designs

No idea what this is for but it's a new look Master Darque that was faxed from Steven Butler (the artist?) to Jim Perham. Could this be related to the unpublished Master Darque books that Perham was planning for 1999/2000? I am not a fan of the art (look at that face on the right) or the costumes.

That's the one (the one on the left). In the Wizard ad, it was a full body shot in color.

[Ryan]

That's the one (the one on the left). In the Wizard ad, it was a full body shot in color.

It's pretty goofy looking, but I kind of like it too. It looks like concept art for an animated series.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's the one (the one on the left). In the Wizard ad, it was a full body shot in color.

It's pretty goofy looking, but I kind of like it too. It looks like concept art for an animated series.

Agreed. Not a good one, though, heh.

[magnusr]

That's what I thought. So post Unity 2000 VH3 still had the GK license (or at least they thought did) late in the year 2000.

Once that fell apart, Acclaim ceased all publishing. Without even finishing U2K. We can assume that probably happened not long after this interview, late 2000 or early 2001.

Sotomayor's pitch is from around 2002, the first post-Valiant/Acclaim attempt to use the GK characters.

Yes, and also, as far as I know, while Acclaim seemed to have the GK licence, the VH3 pitches did not specifically include Magnus.

/Magnus

[Ryan]

Yes, and also, as far as I know, while Acclaim seemed to have the GK licence, the VH3 pitches did not specifically include Magnus.

/Magnus

Perham mentions in the interview from 2000:

On top of that, I lucked out and got myself a top-notch colorist from DC named Buzz Setzer who was recently doing Superboy and did Catwoman. He's going to come in and color Mirage and Magnus, Robot Fighter -- which is going to be our March book -- and go forward.

So he was at least planning for it at the time. Doesn't mean he actually had the license anymore though. Like MOTA quoted "Time will Tell" in that old thread, seems like Perham might have been doing this on his own without the support of Acclaim higher-ups.

Looks like the planning stage is as far as VH3 Magnus got, since nothing has ever surfaced.

While I don't totally love the Sotomayor/Clauretie pitch (t-shirt under the tunic and cargo pants? bleh), it looks a lot better than the iBooks and various Dynamite reboots.

[magnusr]

Looks like the planning stage is as far as VH3 Magnus got, since nothing has ever surfaced.

Very interesting. Had missed and/or forgotten that interview.

/Magnus

[Ryan]

This is mostly nerdy semantics, but I think a VH-# should only be given to a distinct, significant universe of multiple in-continuity titles.

VH1 is all the shared universe titles that came out 1991-1996.

VH2 is the Acclaim Universe 1996-1999

VH3 is the VEI Universe 2012-current

Everything that doesn't fit within these fictional universes are outliers. Turok Evolution, Ninjak vs. The Valiant Universe, etc. etc. Just like Marvel and DC have their mainline in-continuity universes they also have many outliers like children's books, novels, out of continuity comics, etc.

A small number of comics and failed relaunches might be interesting outliers that take place in an alternate continuity, but they don't deserve a separate VH-# designation.

[aj583]

Ooo…I like landing on the proper acronyms on this board. What do people like better.

VH1
VH2
VH3

Or

V1
Acclaim
VEI

Or Something else?

What does the H stand for on the first option?

Need to right my acronyms which may be off for the last 5 years.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ryan]

Ooo…I like landing on the proper acronyms on this board. What do people like better.

VH1
VH2
VH3

Or

V1
Acclaim
VEI

Those work too. Others have suggested Classic Valiant, Acclaim era, Valiant Entertainment. It all works.

I just like the VH# for ease when referring to the 3 main continuities of Valiant. There's no rules though, just a preference.

The 'H' stands for Heroes. IIRC that got started because VH2 called itself Acclaim Comics Valiant Heroes, abbreviated to ACVH, eventually shortened to VH and used as quick way to identify the original continuity from the new one.