I'm getting ripped off on shipping

[cjv]

Do you still have the email where he said he was trying to recoup paypal fees? Forward that to ebay people.

Chris

[daydreamscomics]

I won this auction off ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6521806969

Great deal, right?

I guess the guy is *SQUEE* that it went so low, so he is trying to charge me $16.50 for shipping. What can I do about this?

based on him living in CA and you living in FL, and his "i ship based on weight" theory, 3 day priority UPS shipping would run about what he's charging. but UPS ground should only run about $8....

i guess if you really want the books, pay for it. i would ask him what rate he is shipping them at (priority/ground/etc.) and see if that's how he actually goes. if he over charges you, file a complaint. or find a fellow valiant fan in CA to be your enforcer and go break his legs...

*ALSO* i've noticed a lot of people on here knocking ebay. i've never had any problems with them, in fact they corrected a HUGE listing error that i made that would have cost me $2300 if hadn't been cool about it. i think we've all had our mishaps with ebay, but given that most of the stuff we get off there (comics in general) are usually at such good prices, i don't have much to complain about, but again that's just me...just curious...

[daydreamscomics]

Good for you Depluto. I think you are right he was trying to make up for some his loss here by gouging you on the shipping. Personally speaking, I generally try to avoid people who do not list the shipping costs up front for this very reason.

agreed!

[DawgPhan]

I won this auction off ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6521806969

Great deal, right?

I guess the guy is *SQUEE* that it went so low, so he is trying to charge me $16.50 for shipping. What can I do about this?

based on him living in CA and you living in FL, and his "i ship based on weight" theory, 3 day priority UPS shipping would run about what he's charging. but UPS ground should only run about $8....

i guess if you really want the books, pay for it. i would ask him what rate he is shipping them at (priority/ground/etc.) and see if that's how he actually goes. if he over charges you, file a complaint. or find a fellow valiant fan in CA to be your enforcer and go break his legs...

*ALSO* i've noticed a lot of people on here knocking ebay. any reason(s) for this? i've never had any problems with them, in fact they corrected a HUGE listing error that i made that would have cost me $2300 if hadn't been cool about it. just curious...

Basically it is because ebay promotes its self as a safe and fair place to conduct business, but it is anything but. they allow theives to operate outside the rules because they often provide the most income to ebay. Also ebay lies about the vast majority of their numbers and it could infact be that they are currently fudging the numbers to meet profit expectations.

Could they be the next enron?

[daydreamscomics]

Basically it is because ebay promotes its self as a safe and fair place to conduct business, but it is anything but. they allow theives to operate outside the rules because they often provide the most income to ebay. Also ebay lies about the vast majority of their numbers and it could infact be that they are currently fudging the numbers to meet profit expectations.

Could they be the next enron?

i see your point. however, i think that if you're using it to buy comics and such, it's not a bad place to be doing it. good deals are all around. and now and then a bad transaction might happen, but that happens in all businesses. i know i've gotten burned a time or two. i'm not sticking up for ebay or saying they are right in all that they do, i just appreciate all the cool stuff i've been able to find for a good price that i otherwise wouldn't have been able to, and i'm also able to make a decent living through ebay while providing comics to others at a fair price.

so love it/hate it, use it/don't use it. in cases like the one discussed, be more weary of people who don't list shipping fees, and if they won't quote a price before the auction ends, keep on looking

[myron]

I won this auction off ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6521806969

Great deal, right?

I guess the guy is *SQUEE* that it went so low, so he is trying to charge me $16.50 for shipping. What can I do about this?

based on him living in CA and you living in FL, and his "i ship based on weight" theory, 3 day priority UPS shipping would run about what he's charging. but UPS ground should only run about $8....

i guess if you really want the books, pay for it. i would ask him what rate he is shipping them at (priority/ground/etc.) and see if that's how he actually goes. if he over charges you, file a complaint. or find a fellow valiant fan in CA to be your enforcer and go break his legs...

*ALSO* i've noticed a lot of people on here knocking ebay. i've never had any problems with them, in fact they corrected a HUGE listing error that i made that would have cost me $2300 if hadn't been cool about it. i think we've all had our mishaps with ebay, but given that most of the stuff we get off there (comics in general) are usually at such good prices, i don't have much to complain about, but again that's just me...just curious...

charging over TWICE the actual shipping fee is a blatant gouge and rip off...if he didn't like the price his auction went for then he should have use a reserve...I personally have not had any problems with e-bay or sellers on it (although one of the auctions I won did take a couple of e-mail reminders and two months to arrive...I just won't buy from that guy again) but I also only buy from sellers who frequent these boards or have 97% and above ratings and more than 100 feebacks...

[DawgPhan]

97% is rather low..I dont know that I would deal with anyone like that...

Think about if Coke messed up 3% of their cans of coke or if Bank of America screwed up3% of the checks they processed.

Oh and my problems are more with ebay than with sellers...I dont have to buy from someone, but I probably am going to have to use ebay...

[ckb]

I would do what he said. Look up the cost of a two pound package by UPS ground from him to you. Offer to pay that. If he won't take it, tell him the deal is off.

When you get a NPB strike, appeal it, forwarding all emails and pricing information on shipping, and it will be removed. This person is not playing by the rules. You should.

Certainly, don't buy from anyone with a take it or leave it mystery shipping policy. If it's based on weight, he should be using the calculated rates.

[myron]

97% is rather low..I dont know that I would deal with anyone like that...

Think about if Coke messed up 3% of their cans of coke or if Bank of America screwed up3% of the checks they processed.

Oh and my problems are more with ebay than with sellers...I dont have to buy from someone, but I probably am going to have to use ebay...

well, I also take into account when the negs occured...if they are recent it might disuade me from the bidding...

I don't think your Coke and Bank analogies are appropo though...you are comparing fully automated systems with people...lots more error involved. And face it, there are as many dick buyers as sellers...

[whetteon]

I only do business with people who have 99% rating and 100 fb most of the time. There are always exceptions to the rules.

Shipping profiteers are the second worst type on eBay behind liars and/or thieves. Don't let him make you feel guilty about bidding on the auction but refusing to pay the ridiculous shipping charges. That's something many shipping profiteers like to try and do. I usually counter with, "I'll pay your fee but if the package shows up with a smaller postage stamp then you get an automatic NEG". Amazingly enough I've was able to suddenly get a better shipping deal twice using this technique.

Lots of good ideas in this thread. I'm sure one of them will help you out

[depluto]

My disapointment with this one was certainly more with the seller than with ebay, although I should have seen it coming. Ebay is loaded up with pricks who overcharge on the shipping ... to me these are the same kinds of jerks who used to run the balloon pop at carnies.

I believe in making deals over the internet the same way I would if I were face to face with someone. Sneaking extra charges in does not fly with me.

I'll let this run the course, maybe nothing will happen. If he negs me, I'll neg him. I don't care if I get a neg since I never sell anything; a nice detailed neg on his feedback might be just what he needs.

$16.50 to ship five comics? I asked him to give me a better quote and he said he can't afford to lose money off shipping.

[myron]

My disapointment with this one was certainly more with the seller than with ebay, although I should have seen it coming. Ebay is loaded up with pricks who overcharge on the shipping ... to me these are the same kinds of jerks who used to run the balloon pop at carnies.

I believe in making deals over the internet the same way I would if I were face to face with someone. Sneaking extra charges in does not fly with me.

I'll let this run the course, maybe nothing will happen. If he negs me, I'll neg him. I don't care if I get a neg since I never sell anything; a nice detailed neg on his feedback might be just what he needs.

$16.50 to ship five comics? I asked him to give me a better quote and he said he can't afford to lose money off shipping.

but apparenlty he can afford to be an A$$hole...

"...so you were born an A$$hole, and your friends are A$$holes too..." ...can anyone name that tune? (yes its a real song...)

[depluto]

"...so you were born an A$$hole, and your friends are A$$holes too..." ...can anyone name that tune? (yes its a real song...)

I don't typically like Zappa but I believe that's one of his, ain't it?

[DawgPhan]

97% is rather low..I dont know that I would deal with anyone like that...

Think about if Coke messed up 3% of their cans of coke or if Bank of America screwed up3% of the checks they processed.

Oh and my problems are more with ebay than with sellers...I dont have to buy from someone, but I probably am going to have to use ebay...

well, I also take into account when the negs occured...if they are recent it might disuade me from the bidding...

I don't think your Coke and Bank analogies are appropo though...you are comparing fully automated systems with people...lots more error involved. And face it, there are as many dick buyers as sellers...

Sure it might not have been totally fair but coke and BOA deal with millions of items each day and they run at probably below 1/10 of 1% error. 3% when dealing with a few items per day seems kinda high...

Sure lots of things factor into if I buy or not..FB rating..when the negs occured and how good of a deal is it..

[myron]

"...so you were born an A$$hole, and your friends are A$$holes too..." ...can anyone name that tune? (yes its a real song...)

I don't typically like Zappa but I believe that's one of his, ain't it?

nope...

where's HJ...bet he knows this one...kinda leans towards the mellow side of things...think south of your location...

[riftt]

pay him, get the package, and if the actual shipping is less than half of what you paid him then you leave him a neg.


Im the one who is paying 5 bucks for a guy to media mail me a psx game

ebay sellers are the worst and they get all the advantages, right zwh?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I won this auction off ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6521806969

Great deal, right?

I guess the guy is *SQUEE* that it went so low, so he is trying to charge me $16.50 for shipping. What can I do about this?

based on him living in CA and you living in FL, and his "i ship based on weight" theory, 3 day priority UPS shipping would run about what he's charging. but UPS ground should only run about $8....

i guess if you really want the books, pay for it. i would ask him what rate he is shipping them at (priority/ground/etc.) and see if that's how he actually goes. if he over charges you, file a complaint. or find a fellow valiant fan in CA to be your enforcer and go break his legs...

*ALSO* i've noticed a lot of people on here knocking ebay. i've never had any problems with them, in fact they corrected a HUGE listing error that i made that would have cost me $2300 if hadn't been cool about it. i think we've all had our mishaps with ebay, but given that most of the stuff we get off there (comics in general) are usually at such good prices, i don't have much to complain about, but again that's just me...just curious...

You're INCREDIBLY lucky, or a Silver or better Powerseller.

I can go down the list of why eBay is a poorly run company, point by point by point.

eBay does not provide the deals...they are just the venue. That would be like blaming or praising the Long Beach Convention Center for the deal I got from Major Comics on my Fathom #8 Blues.

But....the difference, of course, is that if a VENDOR at said convention center was breaking the rules (oh, I don't know, blasting music at 150 decibels, or stealing other vendors' floor space, or whatever)...then you can be DAMN sure I'd be able to talk to a LIVE PERSON about it and get it resolved QUICKLY.

eBay?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Basically it is because ebay promotes its self as a safe and fair place to conduct business, but it is anything but. they allow theives to operate outside the rules because they often provide the most income to ebay. Also ebay lies about the vast majority of their numbers and it could infact be that they are currently fudging the numbers to meet profit expectations.

Could they be the next enron?

i see your point. however, i think that if you're using it to buy comics and such, it's not a bad place to be doing it. good deals are all around. and now and then a bad transaction might happen, but that happens in all businesses. i know i've gotten burned a time or two. i'm not sticking up for ebay or saying they are right in all that they do, i just appreciate all the cool stuff i've been able to find for a good price that i otherwise wouldn't have been able to, and i'm also able to make a decent living through ebay while providing comics to others at a fair price.

so love it/hate it, use it/don't use it. in cases like the one discussed, be more weary of people who don't list shipping fees, and if they won't quote a price before the auction ends, keep on looking

Once again...it has nothing to do with the good deals to be had here....the problem is that eBay, with its HIGHLY mercenary tactics, has made sure that it is the 800 lb gorilla, the ONLY option for online auctions.

This is very bad for all sorts of reasons. There's a REASON we have anti-trust laws, and it's to prevent the kinds of things eBay gets away with every day.

If eBay wasn't there...there WOULD be someone...or several someones...else to fill the gap, and those good deals would still be had.

The fact of the matter is, eBay has constantly violated the LAW, so much so that they've had a couple hundred class action lawsuits filed against them AND Paypal, have had JUDGEMENTS rendered against them....and they still continue to do what they do because MOST people don't have a problem....

To use my convention center analogy again....if there was an exposed wire in a wall there, are MOST of the people going to get hurt by it? No, of course not.

Does that mean it's STILL a danger, and that the convention center is liable?

Ansolutely.

The bottom line is, eBay doesn't follow its own arbitrary rules, it has continually blocked and impeded necessary changes that would make the system 'better', and ignored fraud up to and INCLUDING the point that law enforcement gets involved.

By the by...remember the class action settlement against Paypal from last year...? Anyone see a DIME from that yet?

I thought not.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

97% is rather low..I dont know that I would deal with anyone like that...

Think about if Coke messed up 3% of their cans of coke or if Bank of America screwed up3% of the checks they processed.

Oh and my problems are more with ebay than with sellers...I dont have to buy from someone, but I probably am going to have to use ebay...

Mercury Insurance has a HILARIOUS commercial out right now, touting their '97% customer satisfaction rating'...I had to laugh.

Another company, Living Air, has sold 'over 4 million clean air units, with a 98% customer satisfaction rating'....

...which means that there were EIGHTY THOUSAND PEOPLE they couldn't satisfy.

EIGHTY...THOUSAND.

Now....there are ALWAYS the cranks and jerks who expect something for nothing....

But EIGHTY THOUSAND of them, all choosing to buy this product?

The numbers tell all.

[SiBill]

The good thing about this site is that every one selling Valiants these days use this site and Greg's price guide. Why not open a thread with a list of these high priced shipping bozos. No one likes to see their names on a list like that. Of course that would not help with this Stray Bullets. But this site essentially regulates sellers like Antonio and members like KC who have excellent customer service. Depluto - you already have your revenge - none of us will be helping that fool out.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

pay him, get the package, and if the actual shipping is less than half of what you paid him then you leave him a neg.


Im the one who is paying 5 bucks for a guy to media mail me a psx game

ebay sellers are the worst and they get all the advantages, right zwh?

Not all of them.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the 'pay them anyways and if it doesn't turn out well, leave a neg'...when it comes down to it, unless someone has swaths of negs, they mean nothing.

The money is still gone from my pocket.

And the temporary satisfaction a neg might provide is more than tempered by the reciprocal neg.

There's a reason why I get tossed from eBay....I refuse to be taken advantage of, whether it's the guy who says he'll 'combine shipping no problem' but then "neglects" to say he's only combining for PRIORITY mail, or the guy who wants to charge the total shipping for each and every item, and doesn't say this UPFRONT.

eBay doesn't play by their rules. They do not care. Their basic philosophy is flawed FUNDAMENTALLY with regards to how they treat people.

Do they make money?

Sure, so did Enron. So did Worldcom.

So where's Ken Lay now? Bernie Ebbers?

This is only going to get worse, unless ALL OF US stand up and say 'hey...cut it out' and hold each other accountable.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

The good thing about this site is that every one selling Valiants these days use this site and Greg's price guide. Why not open a thread with a list of these high priced shipping bozos. No one likes to see their names on a list like that. Of course that would not help with this Stray Bullets. But this site essentially regulates sellers like Antonio and members like KC who have excellent customer service. Depluto - you already have your revenge - none of us will be helping that fool out.

1. Those sellers don't generally see this list, and a good deal of them could not care less if they did.

2. People forget. IDs are changed. Lists are scrolled away. There's no 'blocked sellers' list, because eBay facilitates WINNING BIDS...not succesful transactions. eBay makes money off the bid, whether the actual transaction is succesful or not, for a number of reasons.

[myron]

"...so you were born an A$$hole, and your friends are A$$holes too..." ...can anyone name that tune? (yes its a real song...)

I don't typically like Zappa but I believe that's one of his, ain't it?

nope...

where's HJ...bet he knows this one...kinda leans towards the mellow side of things...think south of your location...

*SQUEE* you all...it was Jimmy Buffet...The A$$hole Song... :x

[Shag]

I like Old Country Buffet!

[dave]

thanks for busting on living air zeph-i was trying to sell those once! now i'll NEVER make a sale....anyone want one? they work-for at least 2 or 3 months, and then, well you have to buy like new filters and stuff...so with your low introdcutory price of um...$500 you can get one! sweet.

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