All-New All-Different Marvel

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:37 am

dornwolf wrote:
Alonso also commented on the publisher's relationship with the movies in the NY Daily News interview: "We are under no pressure to fall in line [with the films]. All those movies started on the comic page, and with the freedoms creators had to bend the universe -- and occasionally break it."

Wait wait wait. So creating a previously unknown African American son for 616 Nick Fury, and then putting his eye out (the same one that his father is missing), was a purely creative decision? That's worse than if it was directing by Marketing.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:59 am

ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop

Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:02 pm

The only hope I had for "All New Bla Bla Bla Marvel" is that Bendis will be writing a new Iron Man book. But then I read about Gillen's "adopted Tony Secret Origins" arc being supported and now -ugh-. It's Bendis, so I'll give it a shot, but it will be the only Marvel book in my order.

I haven't read a single Secret Wars book. I'll read about it on Wiki or something once it wraps up.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:08 pm

BugsySig wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop
Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:41 pm

BugsySig wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop
Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?

With an asterisk that reads "we just make you an arm of our marketing department."

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:23 am

kjjohanson wrote:
dornwolf wrote:
Alonso also commented on the publisher's relationship with the movies in the NY Daily News interview: "We are under no pressure to fall in line [with the films]. All those movies started on the comic page, and with the freedoms creators had to bend the universe -- and occasionally break it."
Wait wait wait. So creating a previously unknown African American son for 616 Nick Fury, and then putting his eye out (the same one that his father is missing), was a purely creative decision? That's worse than if it was directing by Marketing.

and don't forget about killing off all SHIELD agents like Dum Dum Duggan because he showed up in WW2 in the Captain America movies

and totally don't point out how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were all of a sudden important enough again to not only get back on the Avengers book but had the origins retconned again to remove ties to Magneto.

or how Coulson now exists in the comics

you can keep this going for a while and most of it in the last five years.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:31 am

lorddunlow wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop
Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?
With an asterisk that reads "we just make you an arm of our marketing department."

you went there

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:25 am

IMJ wrote:The only hope I had for "All New Bla Bla Bla Marvel" is that Bendis will be writing a new Iron Man book. But then I read about Gillen's "adopted Tony Secret Origins" arc being supported and now -ugh-. It's Bendis, so I'll give it a shot, but it will be the only Marvel book in my order.

I haven't read a single Secret Wars book. I'll read about it on Wiki or something once it wraps up.

Bendis was talking a bit about the book at Special Edition yesterday. It seem that the Waynes are his biological parents.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:26 pm

kjjohanson wrote:
IMJ wrote:The only hope I had for "All New Bla Bla Bla Marvel" is that Bendis will be writing a new Iron Man book. But then I read about Gillen's "adopted Tony Secret Origins" arc being supported and now -ugh-. It's Bendis, so I'll give it a shot, but it will be the only Marvel book in my order.

I haven't read a single Secret Wars book. I'll read about it on Wiki or something once it wraps up.
Bendis was talking a bit about the book at Special Edition yesterday. It seem that the Waynes are his biological parents.

I'd heard about the adoption thing, that is one of the single dumbest retcons I've ever heard.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:46 am

What book is Hickman writing in this all new marvel. Trying to read his avengers stuff on marvel unlimited without falling asleep.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:18 am

I've been a Marvel guy my entire life but this looks like it is going to suck. Reminds me of those '90s cartoons.

wokuya · Post by **wokuya** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:52 am

This is the last summer that I buy monthly issues from Marvel/DC. From here on out it will be specific collected stories in trades/HCs (Weirdworld, for one, has my attention).

Even with this, it seems like diminishing returns.

fun fact: a post almost-identical to this one appears in the "Post-Convergence" thread!

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:57 am

BugsySig wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop
Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?

A Valiant doormat for all comic shops is a really good idea!
Or beverage bottles that say "Tired of drinking the same old Marvel and DC Kool-Aid? READ VALIANT!"

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:07 pm

geocarr wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:valiant should create welcome mats.

big valiant logo with "We welcome all disillusioned Marvel fans" written under it.

throw that on the doorstep of every comic shop
Add DC fans to them too.

And how about a saying like "We don't treat our fans like doormats"?
A Valiant doormat for all comic shops is a really good idea!
Or beverage bottles that say "Tired of drinking the same old Marvel and DC Kool-Aid? READ VALIANT!"

haaaaaa

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:11 pm

wokuya wrote:This is the last summer that I buy monthly issues from Marvel/DC. From here on out it will be specific collected stories in trades/HCs (Weirdworld, for one, has my attention).

Even with this, it seems like diminishing returns.

fun fact: a post almost-identical to this one appears in the "Post-Convergence" thread!

man marvel is really messing up. on marvel unlimited i started reading the old stuff. the new books (unlimited is 6 months behind so new is spider verse etc) really aren't all that captivating. actually i take that back. the books that aren't their flagship titles seem to be decent. been enjoying punisher.

i knew disney buying marvel would eventually push out die hard fans.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:59 pm

ilzuccone wrote:What book is Hickman writing in this all new marvel. Trying to read his avengers stuff on marvel unlimited without falling asleep.

Outside of Bendis announced to be writing Iron Man no new teams announced.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:24 pm

ilzuccone wrote:What book is Hickman writing in this all new marvel. Trying to read his avengers stuff on marvel unlimited without falling asleep.

I think he's only doing Secret Wars (the actual titled book) and then he's done with Marvel indefinitely according to his Twitter a few months back.

He's taking time to focus on his creator-owned stuff.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:25 pm

depluto wrote:I've been a Marvel guy my entire life but this looks like it is going to suck. Reminds me of those '90s cartoons.

They actually have a book called X-Men '92 featuring the lineup from the cartoon drawn in that style.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:12 pm

lorddunlow wrote:
depluto wrote:I've been a Marvel guy my entire life but this looks like it is going to suck. Reminds me of those '90s cartoons.
They actually have a book called X-Men '92 featuring the lineup from the cartoon drawn in that style.

don't go dissing those cartoons. i'll get all crazy up in here.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:37 am

ilzuccone wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
depluto wrote:I've been a Marvel guy my entire life but this looks like it is going to suck. Reminds me of those '90s cartoons.
They actually have a book called X-Men '92 featuring the lineup from the cartoon drawn in that style.
don't go dissing those cartoons. i'll get all crazy up in here.

I hate those cartoons.

Jace · Post by **Jace** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:46 am

ilzuccone wrote:What book is Hickman writing in this all new marvel. Trying to read his avengers stuff on marvel unlimited without falling asleep.

Hickman isn't going to be writing anymore books for Marvel. He says he is burnt out and needs some time off.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:50 am

Jace wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:What book is Hickman writing in this all new marvel. Trying to read his avengers stuff on marvel unlimited without falling asleep.

Hickman isn't going to be writing anymore books for Marvel. He says he is burnt out and needs some time off.

ah. that's a good sign for the new marvel actually.

iwantvaliant · Post by **iwantvaliant** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:52 am

Interesting that Iron Man is the centerpiece in both those images.

*sigh* I miss comics being good. Oh wait, I have Valiant!

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:53 am

grendeljd wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:
depluto wrote:I've been a Marvel guy my entire life but this looks like it is going to suck. Reminds me of those '90s cartoons.
They actually have a book called X-Men '92 featuring the lineup from the cartoon drawn in that style.
don't go dissing those cartoons. i'll get all crazy up in here.
I hate those cartoons.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:53 am

iwantvaliant wrote:Interesting that Iron Man is the centerpiece in both those images.

*sigh* I miss comics being good. Oh wait, I have Valiant!

yup this is very good for valiant.

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