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jmatt wrote:
CongoBill wrote:I really don't think it's clear at all that Livewire is projecting the images. What am I missing?
See the images of Eve and Anya flowing from her hands and surrounding Divinity?

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Jeez, I read it twice and never even noticed that. :oops:

But I was looking in the wrong place. I was focused on the sequence where they're trapping him and Livewire is saying he (Divinity) is lost in his head. Oh well, so it is not unclear at all. Unity/Livewire used digital recordings of his "family" to distract him so they could trap him. And, with that, the whole thing makes even less sense to me. :?

I guess the implication being that, while Abram/Divinity does have some seemingly "god-like" powers, he is also just a man, and a very confused and fallible one at that!

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jmatt wrote:
CongoBill wrote:I really don't think it's clear at all that Livewire is projecting the images. What am I missing?
See the images of Eve and Anya flowing from her hands and surrounding Divinity?

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There is a typo in this panel. Abram/Divinity says: I turned minutes of their lives into years. Trying to give them want they want. Obviously that first "want" should be "what."

And once I noticed this I realized the entire caption doesn't make much sense. He did turn minutes of each member of Unity's lives into years. But he put them in perilous situations. How was he giving them "what they want"? This one I've got to chalk up to sloppy writing on Kindt's part, trying to give Abram/Divinity some direction or purpose in his actions, but not remembering what he actually did.

OK, I guess I can over-analyze this book forever. :hm:

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Anyone else looking forward to finding out more about that Russian fringe-science division? I hate that it was only mentioned in one caption (I think), but I'm looking forward to whatever other heroes/villains/concepts could be coming out of this group.

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NinJZA wrote:Anyone else looking forward to finding out more about that Russian fringe-science division? I hate that it was only mentioned in one caption (I think), but I'm looking forward to whatever other heroes/villains/concepts could be coming out of this group.
Would be cool to revisit and tie into reboots iterations of Unity. Kindt writes both so I could see it.
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BugsySig wrote:
NinJZA wrote:Anyone else looking forward to finding out more about that Russian fringe-science division? I hate that it was only mentioned in one caption (I think), but I'm looking forward to whatever other heroes/villains/concepts could be coming out of this group.
Would be cool to revisit and tie into reboots iterations of Unity. Kindt writes both so I could see it.
Definitely. Maybe that fringe-science division would have previously fought Unit-U or Unit-X, and maybe even was responsible for destroying those groups.

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CongoBill wrote:
jmatt wrote:
CongoBill wrote:I really don't think it's clear at all that Livewire is projecting the images. What am I missing?
See the images of Eve and Anya flowing from her hands and surrounding Divinity?

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There is a typo in this panel. Abram/Divinity says: I turned minutes of their lives into years. Trying to give them want they want. Obviously that first "want" should be "what."

And once I noticed this I realized the entire caption doesn't make much sense. He did turn minutes of each member of Unity's lives into years. But he put them in perilous situations. How was he giving them "what they want"? This one I've got to chalk up to sloppy writing on Kindt's part, trying to give Abram/Divinity some direction or purpose in his actions, but not remembering what he actually did.

OK, I guess I can over-analyze this book forever. :hm:
Maybe look at it this way. Maybe Divinity isn't all knowing like he thinks he is. He gives them what he thinks they want which clearly cocks up big time.

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CongoBill wrote:
jmatt wrote:
CongoBill wrote:I really don't think it's clear at all that Livewire is projecting the images. What am I missing?
See the images of Eve and Anya flowing from her hands and surrounding Divinity?

Image
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There is a typo in this panel. Abram/Divinity says: I turned minutes of their lives into years. Trying to give them want they want. Obviously that first "want" should be "what."

And once I noticed this I realized the entire caption doesn't make much sense. He did turn minutes of each member of Unity's lives into years. But he put them in perilous situations. How was he giving them "what they want"? This one I've got to chalk up to sloppy writing on Kindt's part, trying to give Abram/Divinity some direction or purpose in his actions, but not remembering what he actually did.

OK, I guess I can over-analyze this book forever. :hm:
You know, that might not be sloppy writing by Kindt. I took it to be that most of them want to be in those kinds of situations. Gilad and Aric both are warriors so I can see them wanting to be in some kind of battle/fight. Even Ninjak. Maybe not so much Livewire. Also, it could mean that Divinity gave them what HE thought that they wanted and not what they actually wanted.

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maybe he was talking about the people he'd helped earlier? like the guy he turned into butterflies

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An underwhelming end for me. For me, the issue seemed to lack clarity and seemed overly portentous, which seems to be something I am finding increasingly in Kindt's VEI work. A lot of big ideas are thrown out, but coherence for this reader is secondary at times in how I am experiencing his very recent writing.

Honestly, I think VEI have placed too many eggs in the Kindt basket at this time, but totally acecpt that may be a minority view.
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BugsySig wrote:
Nah. I think they were just pictures of them alive and dead. You can see them in one of the large panels. Those images then made Abram remember his failed attempt to reunite with his family and served as the distraction Unity needed to contain him.
This. Livewire just got Abram thinking about his family. The interactions with them were his own doing. That's what I got from it, anyway.
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jeremycoe wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Nah. I think they were just pictures of them alive and dead. You can see them in one of the large panels. Those images then made Abram remember his failed attempt to reunite with his family and served as the distraction Unity needed to contain him.
This. Livewire just got Abram thinking about his family. The interactions with them were his own doing. That's what I got from it, anyway.
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and just like that it's done. that was easy.

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