Bloodshot & the H.A.R.D. Corps 15 Discussion

[pixierosa]

Maniac...that made me sad, but I was glad to see his remorse over having to kill children, even if those children had murderous intentions. Dysart and Gage managed to make me feel as if I was viewing him through Charlie's eyes. Mixture of sadness, horror, pride, gratitude and anger at his decision to be a sacrifice.

Lifeline saying Charlie will be the death of her is likely true.

Enjoyed the moments between the team members, like Disciple.

Interesting to see what the next step will be.

[blujay]

Maniac got BRAINED! Another awesome issue. Quickly becoming the kick *SQUEE* action book the first arc promised us. Gage and Dysart are working some magic. Great read.

#1 Why didn't the Harada Protocol kick back up when Bloodshot saw him?

Because he overrode the Nanites and took back control back in issue #11 so he wouldn't be subject to any future programming left over from PRS.

oooooooh. I'm gonna have to go back and reread that one, thanks

[Spylocke]

Maniac...that made me sad, but I was glad to see his remorse over having to kill children, even if those children had murderous intentions. Dysart and Gage managed to make me feel as if I was viewing him through Charlie's eyes. Mixture of sadness, horror, pride, gratitude and anger at his decision to be a sacrifice.

Lifeline saying Charlie will be the death of her is likely true.

Enjoyed the moments between the team members, like Disciple.

Interesting to see what the next step will be.

I got the feeling during the last issue while Gunslinger was talking to Kozol that the Generation Zero kids weren't the first minors they had to kill or capture only to have PRS kill during experiments.

[lorddunlow]

This issue was soooooo great! This book is definitely my favorite now, by a sizable margin. It's odd though, I don't really care for the art. I loved Lupacchino on A&A but here I don't like it at all. It just doesn't fit the tone of the book.

Can't wait until next month!

[AnthonyF]

I think Lupacchino's art is fine, I just wish Clayton Henry was drawing every issue of Bloodshot/HARDCorps.

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

Panic- shortest appearance of a villain ever? Hahhahahah!

Loved the writing, wasn't so thrilled with the art. Seemed very rushed, and almost amateurish. Actually took me out of the story a number of times. Not trying to be mean, but we've seen better from her, and from Valiant.

Nontheless, great issue! And I agree, Superstar is on the chopping block!

[lorddunlow]

Panic- shortest appearance of a villain ever? Hahhahahah!

Loved the writing, wasn't so thrilled with the art. Seemed very rushed, and almost amateurish. Actually took me out of the story a number of times. Not trying to be mean, but we've seen better from her, and from Valiant.

Nontheless, great issue! And I agree, Superstar is on the chopping block!

I gave this some thought (the art), and I know what bugs me. I hate the way she draws Bloodshot. It doesn't look like Bloodshot. The odd thing is that all of the alternate Bloodshots in #0 "looked like Bloodshot", but in #15, it doesn't even look like him.

I loved Lupacchino on A&A - she was previously in my top 3 VEI artists. Maybe she got a cramp.

[Brother Darque]

holy crap, that neural implant really gets jammed into they're brains!

[KXXX]

Panic- shortest appearance of a villain ever? Hahhahahah!

Loved the writing, wasn't so thrilled with the art. Seemed very rushed, and almost amateurish. Actually took me out of the story a number of times. Not trying to be mean, but we've seen better from her, and from Valiant.

Nontheless, great issue! And I agree, Superstar is on the chopping block!

I gave this some thought (the art), and I know what bugs me. I hate the way she draws Bloodshot. It doesn't look like Bloodshot. The odd thing is that all of the alternate Bloodshots in #0 "looked like Bloodshot", but in #15, it doesn't even look like him.

I loved Lupacchino on A&A - she was previously in my top 3 VEI artists. Maybe she got a cramp.

Menstruation jokes aren't funny. Period.

[blujay]

Is it just me or is Harada the most busy guy on the planet? Between capturing Gen Zero/Bloodshot/The Harbinger Kids deposing of dictators, performing super science experiments, running a corporation and forming a super secret task force to take out X-O, when does this guy sleep? He's starting to make Wolverine's schedule look doable.

Seriously though, VEI it wouldn't hurt to throw some more villains into the mix, the poor guy's working double overtime at this point.

[KXXX]

Is it just me or is Harada the most busy guy on the planet? Between capturing Gen Zero/Bloodshot/The Harbinger Kids deposing of dictators, performing super science experiments, running a corporation and forming a super secret task force to take out X-O, when does this guy sleep? He's starting to make Wolverine's schedule look doable.

Seriously though, VEI it wouldn't hurt to throw some more villains into the mix, the poor guy's working double overtime at this point.

It's sort of reminds me of the old BS/EW issues where they're all over the place. Doesn't make sense.

[jmatt]

Seriously though, VEI it wouldn't hurt to throw some more villains into the mix, the poor guy's working double overtime at this point.

Yeah, we're kinda slipping into the VH1 villain mode, where Harada and Darque and Spider-aliens are 9/10's of the bad guys.

[Spylocke]

This is why I love FVL's idea of The Sect as villains. The Null in particular seem interesting. Still, I think we need more villains. PRS would be good antagonists for Bloodshot and Hard Corps. In the future I'd like to see the Malevs return. We may have proto-malevs in the nanite-powered medbots.

I think the true test of the talents of Valiant's writers is creating more compelling villains.

[hawkeyeps]

That's the thing about VEI, there are no "Villains" just people with agendas existing in a reality with consequences.

Just like real life.

[blujay]

That's the thing about VEI, there are no "Villains" just people with agendas existing in a reality with consequences.

Just like real life.

Nah come on there are villains they just all die really fast, and there's plenty of room for main stay super villains. That's why I was disappointed when Clem got axed so quickly, he had potential to be built into an awesome villain. We don't have to murder everybody.

As a guy who usually likes villains over heroes I think more memorable bad guys would be a good thing. The more iconic characters we can have in the universe the better. Look at DC, they just did a whole month (and their new mini/event) which was solely based on the popularity and iconic status of their villains.

[BugsySig]

VEI has villains, and many promising future villains. Don't forget, although the company is over a year old now, the way stories are told today most books are only on their 3rd or 4th story, while others have just barely launched. Let's do a roll call:

Major villains/antagonists from VH1: Harada, Darque, The Vine/Spider Aliens, PRS, The Sect, Immortal Enemy

Villains/antagonists recently introduced or soon to be introduced: General Redacted, Chainsaw, Baron Samedi, the various factions of the Sect (Null, 1%, etc), The House of the Wild (and other houses yet to be named), Big Boy, the ERA, Commander Trill, the Brethren, the Last Enemy, the Bleeding Monk

Promising villains/antagonists down the line:

The Hive - He was already losing it and now Traveller is pulling him through his nightmare tunnels...that dude is ripe with potential for madness.

Cronus - Could easily be a third counterpart to Pete and Harada.

@x - Dysart says he will be a third counterpart to Pete and Harada.

Mary-Maria - We still don't know where she will end up down the road.

Erica Pierce/Mother God - Que Hawkeyeps

That's a lot for a year and a half and 7 books.

[iwantvaliant]

This book had two terrific splash pages with badass Bloodshot lines. The art is fantastic. Gunslinger seemed a little too nice in this book compared to what we've seen so far. Glad that the HARD Corps members are so expendable.

[bygranddesign]

don't forget Gamma

I wonder if she is dead?

She was a pretty frightening villian, hope she is still around

but with PRS now sort of good (or trying to put on a good face) and no longer have any locked up kids - Gamma probably doesn't have a role for them.

[BugsySig]

don't forget Gamma

I wonder if she is dead?

She was a pretty frightening villian, hope she is still around

but with PRS now sort of good (or trying to put on a good face) and no longer have any locked up kids - Gamma probably doesn't have a role for them.

Mr. Twist, too. I was trying to avoid characters who are dead...I included Chainsaw because I don't think we got a final verdict on some of their members ...though we didn't get confirmation on Gamma, either.

[blujay]

Fair point, I'm just worried that VEI will struggle with the lack of villains problem that VH1 had. At this point in time Harada is the bad guy of 3 books now, I do enjoy the interconnectedness that it brings to the books. However I think spacing out the amount of Harada in the future (it makes sense to feature him in these books now) would be a good way to bring about new bad guys

[Aomalle27]

I had raised this concern in another thread but a majority of the forum seemed not to be too bothered. I do see a need for more apex villains, but not in too big a hurry for that. Love the writing on the VEI books, just think Harada's being over extended, but a return of the Vine, or an elevated PRS chair ( Kozol) would fix that. As for this issue, solid, though I'm saddened to see Maniac go. As to the rest, thank goodness Palmer survived, but what's with the brain spasm? I hope he isn't on the way out.... Here's a question, who are the four Hardcorps on the teaser for issue 16? Palmer is one, but I don't think it's Disciple next to him, guys got a maniac hairdo, and on the left is a bald black guy and a white woman. Haven't seen these team members yet. ?????

[Brother Darque]

also, it would be cool if they made H.A.R.D. Corps patches & stickers.

[BugsySig]

I had raised this concern in another thread but a majority of the forum seemed not to be too bothered. I do see a need for more apex villains, but not in too big a hurry for that. Love the writing on the VEI books, just think Harada's being over extended, but a return of the Vine, or an elevated PRS chair ( Kozol) would fix that. As for this issue, solid, though I'm saddened to see Maniac go. As to the rest, thank goodness Palmer survived, but what's with the brain spasm? I hope he isn't on the way out.... Here's a question, who are the four Hardcorps on the teaser for issue 16? Palmer is one, but I don't think it's Disciple next to him, guys got a maniac hairdo, and on the left is a bald black guy and a white woman. Haven't seen these team members yet. ?????

Bloodshot caused the brain spasm during their fight by hacking his brain. His Nanites ability to do this may lead to Bloodshot being the one who downloads the abilities instead of Lifeline down the road.

[Spylocke]

I can see Bloodshot using his nanites to change powers in case of emergency should Lifeline be disabled but I don't see him being able to take over the position completely. That would take some serious multi-tasking while in the field. I think he could be Lifeline for one or two people, (like if Kara came back and got the implant), but not a whole team.

[kjjohanson]

I can see Bloodshot using his nanites to change powers in case of emergency should Lifeline be disabled but I don't see him being able to take over the position completely. That would take some serious multi-tasking while in the field. I think he could be Lifeline for one or two people, (like if Kara came back and got the implant), but not a whole team.

Hmmm, I wonder if he could also disable the self-destruct, should he and other teammates have a falling out with PRS and they go rogue. I do have a feeling that this joint title is going to be a limited time thing, perhaps with each writer continuing alone once the titles split again.