Please let me know what you think...

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:04 am

Brother J wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.
I personally disagree with this one (sorry, Cyberstrike). The Ultraverse books are pretty distinctive from the other Malibu books, and as a collector, I'm only collecting Ultraverse.

I miss the old Forgotten Universes web page. That would be cool, if there was something like that again, using the valiantcomics.com template and using it to keep the information for the various Dead Universes, complete with scans and issue info.

Im with Brother J here too.

If we are going to do this properly then we need to be precise in defining each individual set.
Malibu is a classic example of why we should make sure they are all seperate even if they are published under the same banner.
Ultraverse does indeed stand out by itself and im pretty sure this imprint will be the most collected by Malibu.
IM not sure if Aircel, Adventure or Eternity count as Du's under Malibu imprints do they?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:07 am

Ryan wrote:This is easily one of the coolest sections, good job

Sometimes I feel like there are too many stickies at the top, and it's a long way to the 'current' posts. One idea would be to put links to all the checklist threads in one thread at the top, which could be updated and kept current.

Just my 2 cents, anyway this is great little section.

Another good idea.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:10 am

Knightt wrote:
Draco wrote:This section is the best on the entire site IMO.

I love it.

Things to add would be the ckecklists in xls. or Word documents.

I also have a good stock of Du's and would be happy to scan for images etc.

I agree that a price guide might well be littered with 50c lines but at the same time so is the Vh1 really ($1.50 as there are so many commons.
However there are some seriously HTF DU's out there and it might be really good for everyone to be aware of the scarcity of some of this stuff.
I think prices on some items may scare a few people too
I would love to participate in any of this.

Ian

WOW, thank you. That is quite an endorsement. I honestly take this section to heart and try to put as much as I can into it (and will be doing more in the future).

I agree, printable checklists would be a good thing. I have set up the checklists now so that you can copy/paste them into a Word document for the purpose of striking them off your 'checklist'. This is only because I think more folks have Word then Excel OR know how to manipulate Excel. Seeing as how you have already done some of this, do you want to be the guy to input the already existing checklists into an Excel document and then email them to me ? I will then speak with Greg about hosting these downloadable lists.

Im up for the hard work then dude.

I have pm'd my email addy dude so you can send the work load over.

What have i done

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:14 am

Chiclo wrote:A check-list sub-section in this forum might be the way to go.

Make it a closed forum to new threads but not new posts so only a mod can throw the checklist threads in the new DU checklist section but we can still post in those threads.

For example, if we could start a new checklist thread in the DU section and when it gets ironed out enough put it in the DU Checklist sub-section.

I just threw Triumphant out as an example. I picked up a good chunk of that universe in one felled swoop (for $3.84 plus shipping) and it doesn't have an official checklist. I am not advocating making a sticky out of one at this time and don't know any significant historical context of that universe. But then again, most of the comic collecting universe doesn't remember Bravura either.

Indeed

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:16 am

This is a much better turn out than I expected. It is great to know that this section has become helpful to those into the DUs. I am going to mull some stuff over and then get back to this tomorrow. I have this HUGE 2nd interview with a company caled ICE in which I would cut off my pinkies on each hand just to work there.... send good thoughts my way to better help me get this job. I really want it.

So, I have to get to bed so I dont have bags under my eyes and look like crap in the morning, because they want to see me again at 0730 hrs in the morning !!!!

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:17 am

Knightt wrote:That is what I am aiming for Bro J, with Greg's permission of course. Only thing is that I am putting off each books info to be the last project.... very time consuming in the case of things like Ultraverse and Crossgen. One day.

I think this willbe taken off your hands dude. Check smashey's crossgen habit ( no offence dude) at the moment on compiling print runs etc.
Maybe he might want to delve further on this.

You may well find that each DU will have someone who is prepared to do the hard work on this front.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:22 am

Sounds good... I will start a sign up thread for those wanting a particular DU cover scan project, seeing as how it is taken issue by issue, we might as well do the info for that issue as well because during the scan process, I think that there would be the time to write this down and put it into a word doc.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:25 am

Draco wrote:IM not sure if Aircel, Adventure or Eternity count as Du's under Malibu imprints do they?

They do, but I think that all of those could be listed seperately, it makes it easier to find. Same for Comico and Innovation but MAN, those two had SO many titles... that is going to be a bugger. Even "I" don't collect every book from those DUs. But I LOVE me some Innovation and Comico books.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:34 am

Knightt wrote:
Draco wrote:IM not sure if Aircel, Adventure or Eternity count as Du's under Malibu imprints do they?
They do, but I think that all of those could be listed seperately, it makes it easier to find. Same for Comico and Innovation but MAN, those two had SO many titles... that is going to be a bugger. Even "I" don't collect every book from those DUs. But I LOVE me some Innovation and Comico books.

Same here. I wont be venturing into the Malibu offshoots or Innovation as i dont see them as a Universe as such but as they are no longer around they will no doubt count for someone.

Comico however whilst not having a cohesive universe as such did have a fair few books that crossed over and they overall produced a large amount of quality so i have to own them all.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:12 am

I'm certainly interested in print runs for the DU threads. I love that feature for the VALIANT/ACCLAIM books and would be very curious to see the same for things like Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes, Cross Gen, Broadway and Defiant. I don't know where to start with something like that but it is something that, in addition to the great idea about prices and printable checklists, I think would be an item others might have interest in.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:00 am

Knightt wrote:This is a much better turn out than I expected. It is great to know that this section has become helpful to those into the DUs. I am going to mull some stuff over and then get back to this tomorrow. I have this HUGE 2nd interview with a company caled ICE in which I would cut off my pinkies on each hand just to work there.... send good thoughts my way to better help me get this job. I really want it.

So, I have to get to bed so I dont have bags under my eyes and look like crap in the morning, because they want to see me again at 0730 hrs in the morning !!!!

good luck!

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:19 am

I will do Broadway.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:47 am

xodacia81 wrote:I'm certainly interested in print runs for the DU threads. I love that feature for the VALIANT/ACCLAIM books and would be very curious to see the same for things like Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes, Cross Gen, Broadway and Defiant. I don't know where to start with something like that but it is something that, in addition to the great idea about prices and printable checklists, I think would be an item others might have interest in.

I had not thought of that... this is a GREAT idea and it makes me curious as well.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:50 pm

Knightt wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:I'm certainly interested in print runs for the DU threads. I love that feature for the VALIANT/ACCLAIM books and would be very curious to see the same for things like Comics Greatest World/Dark Horse Heroes, Cross Gen, Broadway and Defiant. I don't know where to start with something like that but it is something that, in addition to the great idea about prices and printable checklists, I think would be an item others might have interest in.
I had not thought of that... this is a GREAT idea and it makes me curious as well.

Cmon dude !!

I thought you had this covered.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:19 pm

I was not even thining about print runs... heck, I don't even know where to get such information.

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:23 pm

The Catalog of Comics (Krause---4th Edition) is a great resource. You can get an overstock copy through Amazon for less than $10. It originally retails for around $35. It lists a lot of print run information.

There's several used ones here for as little as $3.30:

http://www.amazon.com/Comics-Buyers-Gui ... 087349993X

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:51 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:The Catalog of Comics (Krause---4th Edition) is a great resource. You can get an overstock copy through Amazon for less than $10. It originally retails for around $35. It lists a lot of print run information.

And so the project grows once again before it has begun.

Don't worry Chris its all good dude !!!

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:25 pm

Just to comment, I love the DU section, and I have to say kudos to Chris (Knightt) for chaperoning the section, and also to everyone who contributes or even just dips in. And especially to greg for allowing this section to grow.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:45 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:The Catalog of Comics (Krause---4th Edition) is a great resource. You can get an overstock copy through Amazon for less than $10. It originally retails for around $35. It lists a lot of print run information.

There's several used ones here for as little as $3.30:

http://www.amazon.com/Comics-Buyers-Gui ... 087349993X

THANKS, I will have to pick one of these up here soon enough.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:51 pm

I enjoy popping in here from time to time.

Coincidentally, there was a press release for a potential new candidate: Chimaera Comics.

I suppose this would be a fairly easy one to get up to speed.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:56 pm

This guy sells brand new 4th editions for 1.50. Thats where i got mine. He has 13 left. Fast shipping too. I may just order another, mine is missing covers and pages falling out from so much use.

catalog

As far as getting print runs for them, its kind of hit and miss. For instance, it says 378k for turok #1. All it lists is how many capital city ordered. Its the best source of info we are gonna get print run wise....but still not accurate.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:59 am

Knightt wrote:Sounds good... I will start a sign up thread for those wanting a particular DU cover scan project, seeing as how it is taken issue by issue, we might as well do the info for that issue as well because during the scan process, I think that there would be the time to write this down and put it into a word doc.

I am pretty much ready to start scanning CGW. I am just waiting for the time (probably start chipping away at it next week) and some discussion (if any) of standards for scanning these.

The reason I want to start with CGW is that I have almost the whole run and have them here at the house.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:01 am

Draco wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.
I personally disagree with this one (sorry, Cyberstrike). The Ultraverse books are pretty distinctive from the other Malibu books, and as a collector, I'm only collecting Ultraverse.

I miss the old Forgotten Universes web page. That would be cool, if there was something like that again, using the valiantcomics.com template and using it to keep the information for the various Dead Universes, complete with scans and issue info.
Im with Brother J here too.

If we are going to do this properly then we need to be precise in defining each individual set.
Malibu is a classic example of why we should make sure they are all seperate even if they are published under the same banner.
Ultraverse does indeed stand out by itself and im pretty sure this imprint will be the most collected by Malibu.
IM not sure if Aircel, Adventure or Eternity count as Du's under Malibu imprints do they?

Although a lot of those names still existed after the establishment of Malibu as a single company, I always understood that they were smaller companies gobbled up or that congealed into Malibu - particularly Adventure and Eternity (and Pied Piper). I think the Aircel name was used as an imprint under Malibu and was printing before Malibu came together.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:12 am

I will put a list together of who is doing what... tomorrow.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:44 am

Chiclo wrote:
Draco wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.
I personally disagree with this one (sorry, Cyberstrike). The Ultraverse books are pretty distinctive from the other Malibu books, and as a collector, I'm only collecting Ultraverse.

I miss the old Forgotten Universes web page. That would be cool, if there was something like that again, using the valiantcomics.com template and using it to keep the information for the various Dead Universes, complete with scans and issue info.
Im with Brother J here too.

If we are going to do this properly then we need to be precise in defining each individual set.
Malibu is a classic example of why we should make sure they are all seperate even if they are published under the same banner.
Ultraverse does indeed stand out by itself and im pretty sure this imprint will be the most collected by Malibu.
IM not sure if Aircel, Adventure or Eternity count as Du's under Malibu imprints do they?
Although a lot of those names still existed after the establishment of Malibu as a single company, I always understood that they were smaller companies gobbled up or that congealed into Malibu - particularly Adventure and Eternity (and Pied Piper). I think the Aircel name was used as an imprint under Malibu and was printing before Malibu came together.

Im sure you are 100% correct on these, but thats the twisted thing about this whole DU thing. Where do you draw the line?

We should definitely have a broader discussion about this type of inclusion. My thought on the Malibu spin off imprints such as these is a big resounding NO !!!

Lets stick to Malibu (standard like Star trek, Terminator etc), Ultraverse, Bravura and Genesis.

When these discussions can start im sure still depends on what Greg is up for having as an extension to this section/site.

The amount of enthusiasm to this point is perfect and i can only see it growing.

I envision something wonderful and a joy to behold.
Eventually a section where not only can you see a complete list of titles and every variant published for each DU, but also scans, creator credits print runs and relevant info on what why how and where.

Honestly cant remember the last time i felt so excited about the need to do something.

So cool.

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