WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH VALIANT??? (Forum Discussion)

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:17 pm

I've got it boiled down to this ... when someone publishes a book with the Valiant characters, I will buy it to read.

When Marvel published Plasmer, I never thought for a minute it had something to do with Plasm. So I didn't buy it.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:33 pm

depluto wrote: When Marvel published Plasmer, I never thought for a minute it had something to do with Plasm. So I didn't buy it.

Same here, it just looked like another dumbed down Marvel title when it hit the shelves.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:08 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
depluto wrote: When Marvel published Plasmer, I never thought for a minute it had something to do with Plasm. So I didn't buy it.
Same here, it just looked like another dumbed down Marvel title when it hit the shelves.

WHAT?!?!

How can you say that?

Clearly, WoP was meant to make me confused and buy it instead of Plasm.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:36 pm

My first time to ever see the cover of an issue of Plasmer. The similarity to WOP is uncanny. I can hardly tell a difference. No wonder Marvel felt it necessary to take legal action to protect not only its intellectual property but their fans as well*.

*Figure if I lie, make inaccurate statements, take out of context, and misrepresent the facts often enough, this will impress upon certain "forces" that I would make a "dynamic" legal representative.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:02 pm

I actually had to take that issue out of the polybag to take those scans.

I need to get another one eventually.

Fatal Rose · Post by **Fatal Rose** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:44 pm

Thanks for posting that, think I kinda understand whats going on now. What is the status on Ninjak though? Also I was wondering if Valiant was brought back what is the possibility of us seeing characters from dell/goldkey (magnus, solar, turok)?

rictor · Post by **rictor** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:30 pm

Thanks for summarizing the issue so well. I think the chart really shows the potential output from the two companies.

Having to rename Gilad's book doesn't bother me as much as more casual fans being mislead to books they aren't really after. This is what I see as the biggest problem in this situation. If VIP does publish their books, then anyone who doesn't know the situation will see their books, realize it isn't what they are after and tell their friends "The new VALIANT sucks" which will then dissuade others from trying out VEI titles.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:47 pm

rictor wrote:Thanks for summarizing the issue so well. I think the chart really shows the potential output from the two companies.

Having to rename Gilad's book doesn't bother me as much as more casual fans being mislead to books they aren't really after. This is what I see as the biggest problem in this situation. If VIP does publish their books, then anyone who doesn't know the situation will see their books, realize it isn't what they are after and tell their friends "The new VALIANT sucks" which will then dissuade others from trying out VEI titles.

Hopefully, we can educate a lot of them as to the real Valiant.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:07 pm

Fatal Rose wrote:Also I was wondering if Valiant was brought back what is the possibility of us seeing characters from dell/goldkey (magnus, solar, turok)?

Magnus, Solar, and Turok are owned by Randam House publishing any new material linenced by VEI from Random House.

Reprinting the old Valiant series I don't know I would assume that they might be able to since Solar guest stars in Harbinger: The Begining hardcover.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:50 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:
Fatal Rose wrote:Also I was wondering if Valiant was brought back what is the possibility of us seeing characters from dell/goldkey (magnus, solar, turok)?
Magnus, Solar, and Turok are owned by Randam House publishing any new material linenced by VEI from Random House.

Reprinting the old Valiant series I don't know I would assume that they might be able to since Solar guest stars in Harbinger: The Begining hardcover.

Yeah, they have the right to reprint all of the older stuff Valiant put out including the Gold Key characters.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:29 pm

Thanks Greg, that helps explain a lot. One question though. When VEI reprints a back issue(s) like the new Harby HC, what goes through the process of making it?

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:29 pm

Asharad wrote:

I'm a newbie here, yet I've always been a Valiant fan. I saw the ad for the new Harbinger book, and was very excited. Now I'm depressed. This money grab by VIP is sick. They have no intention of offering a product to the public. The greedy mudsuckers expect VEI buy the trademarks from VIP.

Sigh. Valiant died when Acclaim took over. I shouldn't have gotten so excited over the new harbinger book.

Why not? It's going to be great!

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:42 am

Thanks for the recap Greg

detailed and to the point as always

Thanks

mramsterdam · Post by **mramsterdam** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:41 am

Where could i find the horror ashcan and see what everyone is talking about?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:47 am

If you want to waste 40 bucks then check ebay, someone was selling them last week.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:59 am

mramsterdam wrote:Where could i find the horror ashcan and see what everyone is talking about?

Well, there were some pics posted here, but it seems they have disappeared. The discussion is still a worthy read, though.

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:01 am

That eBayer still has still has one for sale.

What an *SQUEE*... look at a question one person wrote, and his response.

A-H eBay seller wrote:Q: What is "Expedited Flat Rate Shipping Service"? Is that UPS? Or is that USPS Express Mail? Aug-08-07
A: pony express

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:19 am

slym2none wrote:That eBayer still has still has one for sale.

What an *SQUEE*... look at a question one person wrote, and his response.

A-H eBay seller wrote:Q: What is "Expedited Flat Rate Shipping Service"? Is that UPS? Or is that USPS Express Mail? Aug-08-07
A: pony express

-slym

Yeah, great attitude for a seller to have. Seems a perfect selling partner for vip.

Pierre the Valiant · Post by **Pierre the Valiant** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:08 am

Thanks for this clear recapitulation, Greg. Coming back to the Valiant Universe is really... complicate!
I remember incredible interview readings at the time, with Shooter, BWS, even Layton later. It seems that despite a great universe, the company's life - creatively and legally - has always been rather complex!

I would have been interested in seeing the designs one the ashcan, but only out of cruriosity. Never mind!

mramsterdam · Post by **mramsterdam** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:18 pm

:funnypost:I read about what the ashcan is mostly about and they should put it in the trashcan. A kind of bad way to start out a comicbook series or try to end it before it even starts.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:04 pm

What's the deal with this post?

Oh... um...

Carry on Greg.

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:06 pm

whetteon wrote:What's the deal with this post?

Oh... um...

Carry on Greg.

how 'bout some new whetspeak please?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:58 am

myron wrote:
whetteon wrote:What's the deal with this post?

Oh... um...

Carry on Greg.

how 'bout some new whetspeak please?

...

It just comes to me at the right times. Right now I got nothing.

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:58 am

Pierre the Valiant wrote:Thanks for this clear recapitulation, Greg. Coming back to the Valiant Universe is really... complicate!
I remember incredible interview readings at the time, with Shooter, BWS, even Layton later. It seems that despite a great universe, the company's life - creatively and legally - has always been rather complex!

I would have been interested in seeing the designs one the ashcan, but only out of cruriosity. Never mind!

Newsarama had some pictures

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