Does anyone care about Warriors of Plasm anymore?

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:34 pm

vikingspawn wrote:Dark Dominion is another book worth a hit too.

Oh yeah? What is the premise of that series?

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:49 pm

JonesyAZ wrote:
vikingspawn wrote:Dark Dominion is another book worth a hit too.
Oh yeah? What is the premise of that series?

Here's a good profile page that describes it more (along with the other Defiant titles...):

http://www.shooterswork.com/defiant/darkdominion.htm

It's a great run and the characters from "Dark Dominion" start to cross over during the middle of Plasm run...around Plasm #5 & #6....they're all good though.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:51 pm

Dark Dominion was my favorite title from Defiant.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:18 pm

I could never get 'into it' and I was sorely disappointed with the art.

The thing that draws me to Defiant is all the 'collectibles'. Some WAY easy to find while others, hard to find on a cosmic scale. I've been blessed to have made friends with a guy with the largest Defiant collection and I was able to glean a few nuggets here and there. This guy, every time I go up to PHX to see him, his enthusiasm pulls me right back into collecting Defiant 'stuff' again.

As far as the books, I read them through once and will not likely open them again.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:23 pm

Knightt wrote:I could never get 'into it' and I was sorely disappointed with the art.

The thing that draws me to Defiant is all the 'collectibles'. Some WAY easy to find while others, hard to find on a cosmic scale. I've been blessed to have made friends with a guy with the largest Defiant collection and I was able to glean a few nuggets here and there. This guy, every time I go up to PHX to see him, his enthusiasm pulls me right back into collecting Defiant 'stuff' again.

As far as the books, I read them through once and will not likely open them again.

I have to say, Defiant was really hit and miss. When I LOVED a book-like Dark Dominion & Warrirors of Plasm-I really loved it. Otherwise, I was either lukewarm or cold. I mainly mourn the potential with Defiant, rather than what we got. Same thing with Broadway. But, I have to say, I really, really loved Dark Dominion. Of course, sometimes the dialogue-same as with Warriors of Plasm-was a bit "cheeze whiz" for my tastes. Still, I think it had a very unique concept as a universe and it's a shame we never got to see it grow.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:32 pm

JonesyAZ wrote:BTW, I realize that I come across with child-like excitement over re-discovering these dead universes(lol), but it's really fun for me to enjoy these books all these years later.

It's a good thing, the excitement.

We all get a little excited when we get turned on to a new dead universe.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:38 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
Knightt wrote:I could never get 'into it' and I was sorely disappointed with the art.

The thing that draws me to Defiant is all the 'collectibles'. Some WAY easy to find while others, hard to find on a cosmic scale. I've been blessed to have made friends with a guy with the largest Defiant collection and I was able to glean a few nuggets here and there. This guy, every time I go up to PHX to see him, his enthusiasm pulls me right back into collecting Defiant 'stuff' again.

As far as the books, I read them through once and will not likely open them again.
I have to say, Defiant was really hit and miss. When I LOVED a book-like Dark Dominion & Warrirors of Plasm-I really loved it. Otherwise, I was either lukewarm or cold. I mainly mourn the potential with Defiant, rather than what we got. Same thing with Broadway. But, I have to say, I really, really loved Dark Dominion. Of course, sometimes the dialogue-same as with Warriors of Plasm-was a bit "cheeze whiz" for my tastes. Still, I think it had a very unique concept as a universe and it's a shame we never got to see it grow.

I liked Broadway much better than Defiant.
I liked WoP (but I only read about 1/2 of the story) Tried DD (a few issues), did not get it. Same for War Dancer.

I read every book (not saying much) in Broadway. I think it was very early valiant-esque.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:01 pm

Elveen wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
Knightt wrote:I could never get 'into it' and I was sorely disappointed with the art.

The thing that draws me to Defiant is all the 'collectibles'. Some WAY easy to find while others, hard to find on a cosmic scale. I've been blessed to have made friends with a guy with the largest Defiant collection and I was able to glean a few nuggets here and there. This guy, every time I go up to PHX to see him, his enthusiasm pulls me right back into collecting Defiant 'stuff' again.

As far as the books, I read them through once and will not likely open them again.
I have to say, Defiant was really hit and miss. When I LOVED a book-like Dark Dominion & Warrirors of Plasm-I really loved it. Otherwise, I was either lukewarm or cold. I mainly mourn the potential with Defiant, rather than what we got. Same thing with Broadway. But, I have to say, I really, really loved Dark Dominion. Of course, sometimes the dialogue-same as with Warriors of Plasm-was a bit "cheeze whiz" for my tastes. Still, I think it had a very unique concept as a universe and it's a shame we never got to see it grow.

I liked Broadway much better than Defiant.
I liked WoP (but I only read about 1/2 of the story) Tried DD (a few issues), did not get it. Same for War Dancer.

I read every book (not saying much) in Broadway. I think it was very early valiant-esque.

My take has long been that Broadway could have been Shooter's "Big Thing". Maybe even bigger than Valiant. But, I loved the concepts in Dark Dominion and I think that the ORG, from WOP, while very strange, is also one of the most utterly original ideas in comic history. I always put Broadway & Defiant together, though, because it's so hard choosing one of them. Of course, nothing compares to Valiant & CGW.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:04 pm

Chiclo wrote:We all get a little excited when we get turned on to a new dead universe.

Something about that statement seems five ways wrong til Sunday.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:05 pm

Knightt wrote:
Chiclo wrote:We all get a little excited when we get turned on to a new dead universe.
Something about that statement seems five ways wrong til Sunday.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:59 am

I've always thought that Defiant and Broadway were the same universe the Broadway characters were the next wave of heroes after Schism.

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:52 am

I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.

Now that it's a DU, I'll probably get around to getting it but I still don't feel compelled to do it anytime soon.

So for now, answering the original question....no, I don't care about Warriors of Plasm anymore.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:34 pm

turborip wrote:I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.

I thought it was a 'nifty' idea back in the day... until you could get the whole thing printed in PREVIEWS a few months later. Stupid.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:14 am

Cyberstrike wrote:I've always thought that Defiant and Broadway were the same universe the Broadway characters were the next wave of heroes after Schism.

Now that is an interesting way of looking at it

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:15 am

Knightt wrote:
turborip wrote:I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.
I thought it was a 'nifty' idea back in the day... until you could get the whole thing printed in PREVIEWS a few months later. Stupid.

The thing is, the cards weren't as easily available as they ought to have been.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:11 am

Found this on eBay today and felt it fit with this thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Plasm-Comic-Trading ... .m20.l1116

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 am

turborip wrote:I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.

Now that it's a DU, I'll probably get around to getting it but I still don't feel compelled to do it anytime soon.

So for now, answering the original question....no, I don't care about Warriors of Plasm anymore.

I agree with you there. And I just got my issue 0 tin set and 1st Edition binder on Monday. I got around to putting all the cards into the binder last night and read about the first three pages of story, as well as some of the character profiles. And I have to say that I am enjoying it a LOT more than I thought I would. The universe is RICH in Sci-Fi detail, and I can immediately get a sense that Shooter is writing a story about humanity's struggle of class, race, sexuality, and acceptance(or lack) of diversity. Plus, I really dig how the world of Plasm is set-up to be a "perfect" organism (Org) where everything works as one on the surface, but has a very ugly undertone. I wonder if this title was also meant to be his view on how he's had to deal with his own struggle of trying to be an "individual" creator starting his own unique comic vision, yet has been shunned by the "Org" of the corporate world in the process? I really feel for Mr. Shooter having learned more about his battles with the investors of his various companies in the 90's (and Defiant's battle with Marvel). It's just sad, because I wish that Jim's many unique visions and universes with Valiant/Defiant, etc. were a huge success today. Hopefully, his new Solar/Magnus/Turok books at Dark Horse will finally afford him the success he deserves!!! (I know that was a long-winded observation...but thank you for reading...lol)

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:18 am

JonesyAZ wrote:
turborip wrote:I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.

Now that it's a DU, I'll probably get around to getting it but I still don't feel compelled to do it anytime soon.

So for now, answering the original question....no, I don't care about Warriors of Plasm anymore.
I agree with you there. And I just got my issue 0 tin set and 1st Edition binder on Monday. I got around to putting all the cards into the binder last night and read about the first three pages of story, as well as some of the character profiles. And I have to say that I am enjoying it a LOT more than I thought I would. The universe is RICH in Sci-Fi detail, and I can immediately get a sense that Shooter is writing a story about humanity's struggle of class, race, sexuality, and acceptance(or lack) of diversity. Plus, I really dig how the world of Plasm is set-up to be a "perfect" organism (Org) where everything works as one on the surface, but has a very ugly undertone. I wonder if this title was also meant to be his view on how he's had to deal with his own struggle of trying to be an "individual" creator starting his own unique comic vision, yet has been shunned by the "Org" of the corporate world in the process? I really feel for Mr. Shooter having learned more about his battles with the investors of his various companies in the 90's (and Defiant's battle with Marvel). It's just sad, because I wish that Jim's many unique visions and universes with Valiant/Defiant, etc. were a huge success today. Hopefully, his new Solar/Magnus/Turok books at Dark Horse will finally afford him the success he deserves!!! (I know that was a long-winded observation...but thank you for reading...lol)

The zero issue focuses on the aliens. The rest of the series focuses more on humans that end up among the aliens.

Here's a little something to keep an eye out for - there was an issue of Previews (June '93, I think) that had Plasm 0 in comic form and Deathmate Orange preview bound in with the book. There were also a sheet of totally awesome* Spawn Spogs.

* - sarcasm.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:21 am

Chiclo wrote:Found this on eBay today and felt it fit with this thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Plasm-Comic-Trading ... .m20.l1116

NOOOO!!! Chiclo, you HAD to show me this...hahahaha. I am SO tempted to buy a case!

Okay...I need your opinion on this. Since I just bought and assembled the standard 150 card set in a 1st Edition binder, and the only bonus cards are 2 foil cards (the exclusives with the tin and binder), is it honestly worth buying a case just to potentially get a few chase cards?

Ahhh...the temptation is almost overwhelming...lol.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:24 am

Chiclo wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote:
turborip wrote:I'll finally admit this....I was one of those people that avoided Warriors of Plasm when it was new because I HATED the idea of a card set being the 'first' issue and never felt compelled to collect it.

Now that it's a DU, I'll probably get around to getting it but I still don't feel compelled to do it anytime soon.

So for now, answering the original question....no, I don't care about Warriors of Plasm anymore.
I agree with you there. And I just got my issue 0 tin set and 1st Edition binder on Monday. I got around to putting all the cards into the binder last night and read about the first three pages of story, as well as some of the character profiles. And I have to say that I am enjoying it a LOT more than I thought I would. The universe is RICH in Sci-Fi detail, and I can immediately get a sense that Shooter is writing a story about humanity's struggle of class, race, sexuality, and acceptance(or lack) of diversity. Plus, I really dig how the world of Plasm is set-up to be a "perfect" organism (Org) where everything works as one on the surface, but has a very ugly undertone. I wonder if this title was also meant to be his view on how he's had to deal with his own struggle of trying to be an "individual" creator starting his own unique comic vision, yet has been shunned by the "Org" of the corporate world in the process? I really feel for Mr. Shooter having learned more about his battles with the investors of his various companies in the 90's (and Defiant's battle with Marvel). It's just sad, because I wish that Jim's many unique visions and universes with Valiant/Defiant, etc. were a huge success today. Hopefully, his new Solar/Magnus/Turok books at Dark Horse will finally afford him the success he deserves!!! (I know that was a long-winded observation...but thank you for reading...lol)
The zero issue focuses on the aliens. The rest of the series focuses more on humans that end up among the aliens.

Here's a little something to keep an eye out for - there was an issue of Previews (June '93, I think) that had Plasm 0 in comic form and Deathmate Orange preview bound in with the book. There were also a sheet of totally awesome* Spawn Spogs.

* - sarcasm.

AW, MAN!!! The Spawn Spogs must have made that issue go for at LEAST $500 on the secondary market! But, i'm surprised that Mr. McFarlane would market his character outside of comics? I mean, Todd only cares about making good comic books, right? *

* - ditto

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:42 am

JonesyAZ wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Found this on eBay today and felt it fit with this thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Plasm-Comic-Trading ... .m20.l1116
NOOOO!!! Chiclo, you HAD to show me this...hahahaha. I am SO tempted to buy a case!

Okay...I need your opinion on this. Since I just bought and assembled the standard 150 card set in a 1st Edition binder, and the only bonus cards are 2 foil cards (the exclusives with the tin and binder), is it honestly worth buying a case just to potentially get a few chase cards?

Ahhh...the temptation is almost overwhelming...lol.

But if you buy the case... do you open it?

I mean, you would have an unopened, factory sealed case.

He's got more than one for sale, though.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:58 am

Chiclo wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Found this on eBay today and felt it fit with this thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Plasm-Comic-Trading ... .m20.l1116
NOOOO!!! Chiclo, you HAD to show me this...hahahaha. I am SO tempted to buy a case!

Okay...I need your opinion on this. Since I just bought and assembled the standard 150 card set in a 1st Edition binder, and the only bonus cards are 2 foil cards (the exclusives with the tin and binder), is it honestly worth buying a case just to potentially get a few chase cards?

Ahhh...the temptation is almost overwhelming...lol.
But if you buy the case... do you open it?

I mean, you would have an unopened, factory sealed case.

He's got more than one for sale, though.

AAARGH!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Funny stuff, Chiclo.

But I did find a sale for the Premium Edition of the Zero issue tin that includes the 9-card premium set, the 4-card premium set, and the promo set...lol. I've gotta take a break from all this buying...lol.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:32 pm

id open a lot of it

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:31 am

So I finally read the entire zero issue of Plasm last night. I seriously enjoyed it a LOT more than I thought I would. Talk about a diamond in the rough! Plus, the Splatterball comic was a lot of fun, too!

This has been the best comic-reading summer for me in years, what with Valiant, Defiant, and also getting caught up and reading the Green Lantern run by Johns, and the Wednesday Comics run by DC. I'm one happy camper, for sure!

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:24 pm

I had just received the Premium Edition Warriors of Plasm 0 Tin Set, and the "Audio Comic" was not included in the set? The synopsis was in there though.

Also, what was the special edition comic that you were supposed to be able to get if you mailed away the certificate within these tin sets? Anyone know?

Gracias!!!