I might be out on Valiant

MECHANO · Post by **MECHANO** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:51 am

I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:59 am

MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....

Not your run-of-the-mill first post.

JCP · Post by **JCP** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:06 am

depluto wrote:
MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....
Not your run-of-the-mill first post.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:27 am

depluto wrote:
MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....
Not your run-of-the-mill first post.

Thats the best kind!

Watchtower · Post by **Watchtower** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:10 pm

MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....

More like Harad-on, amirite?

I'm leavin' ya, Bubsy!

But on a serious note, I can actually kinda understand this. Harada is everywhere. He's so everywhere it's even been a plot point of just how tired he gets being everywhere all the time. Even VH1 put him in a coma for a bit. Give him some time off, give Pete some of that spotlight back.

ErikG · Post by **ErikG** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:32 pm

As some of you may remember from last year, I declared that I was dropping Valiant because of the BoD:LotG incentive. I’m a story completist and this was just not on! Greg jumped on me with big boots, and Paradise Ed slapped me around a bit (metaphorically speaking, of course). Anyway, off I went to the LCS to cancel my VEI titles (I was getting them all), but… But I just couldn’t do it! I couldn’t. I sat in that shop for two hours and could not bring myself to cancel. Which told me something…

As infuriating as the LotG incentive was, and as disappointing as a few of the titles have been, I guess I love Valiant too much to give up on VEI. And so I’m still getting every title VEI puts out.

Soon after the BOD thing, real life intruded and I had to put comics aside, but at last, over the Easter Weekend, I binge-read about ten months’ worth. On the whole, I wasn’t at all unhappy with what I read. Some titles were damn good – Ivar (a lot of fun), Rai, and Imperium in particular. After an excellent first issue, Divinity disappointed. Book of Death was a whole lot of noise about nothing. BoD: The Fall of Harbinger was intriguing. X-O’s story arcs are crammed into too few issues (I think more should have been done to explore the…um… X-O Armor Corps in Dead Hand, for example), and there’s a little too much ‘Valiant Team-Up’ about other titles. Unity was hugely disappointing and Issue 25 a farce. But the biggest peeve I’ve had with VEI has been what was done to Jack Boniface. What a wasted opportunity that was!

I could go on about other things – but not here. When all is said and done, I’m still satisfied with what VEI is doing. I don’t want a rehash of VH1; and I certainly don’t want a remake of VH2. I’m hoping 4001AD will do for VEI what Unity and Rai#0 did for VH1. And I think we old fans tend to forget just how bad some of the old ‘classic’ Valiant titles really were (although I’m perversely fond of them anyway).

VEI is not perfect, but it’s one of the better companies out there – stories that may not always blow one away but which still satisfy (I do not include ‘Dead Drop’ here!) most of the time. Production quality is high, it ships on time. And the promise of better things to come is still there.

This is from a guy who was seriously out on Valiant but just couldn’t make it out the door. But others here seem to be eyeing the door. Which is why I’m dropping this note in this particular thread.

[As for the BoD:LotD mini… I now have all four issues in my long box, thanks to a good friend who went out of his way to obtain them for me. (Great art but a so-so story…) And something I hope VEI never tries again.]

Okay. I’m done for now. As much as I wanted to back then, I never went away. I intend staying for the duration.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:05 pm

depluto wrote:
MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....
Not your run-of-the-mill first post.

Certainly a bit unconventional

To be honest, I've enjoyed Imperium waaaay more than I *ever* did Harbinger, so lots of Harada in this ONE title at the moment is good with me. Gotta remember on this forum that not everybody here is going to always see things your way. That's how we all get on here.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:07 pm

Watchtower wrote:
MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....
More like Harad-on, amirite?

I'm leavin' ya, Bubsy!

But on a serious note, I can actually kinda understand this. Harada is everywhere. He's so everywhere it's even been a plot point of just how tired he gets being everywhere all the time. Even VH1 put him in a coma for a bit. Give him some time off, give Pete some of that spotlight back.

I really don't think he is. What other comic has he featured in within the last 6 months that wasn't Imperium or LoG:FoH?

mkb28 · Post by **mkb28** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:15 pm

ErikG wrote:As some of you may remember from last year, I declared that I was dropping Valiant because of the BoD:LotG incentive. I’m a story completist and this was just not on! Greg jumped on me with big boots, and Paradise Ed slapped me around a bit (metaphorically speaking, of course). Anyway, off I went to the LCS to cancel my VEI titles (I was getting them all), but… But I just couldn’t do it! I couldn’t. I sat in that shop for two hours and could not bring myself to cancel. Which told me something…

As infuriating as the LotG incentive was, and as disappointing as a few of the titles have been, I guess I love Valiant too much to give up on VEI. And so I’m still getting every title VEI puts out.

Soon after the BOD thing, real life intruded and I had to put comics aside, but at last, over the Easter Weekend, I binge-read about ten months’ worth. On the whole, I wasn’t at all unhappy with what I read. Some titles were damn good – Ivar (a lot of fun), Rai, and Imperium in particular. After an excellent first issue, Divinity disappointed. Book of Death was a whole lot of noise about nothing. BoD: The Fall of Harbinger was intriguing. X-O’s story arcs are crammed into too few issues (I think more should have been done to explore the…um… X-O Armor Corps in Dead Hand, for example), and there’s a little too much ‘Valiant Team-Up’ about other titles. Unity was hugely disappointing and Issue 25 a farce. But the biggest peeve I’ve had with VEI has been what was done to Jack Boniface. What a wasted opportunity that was!

I could go on about other things – but not here. When all is said and done, I’m still satisfied with what VEI is doing. I don’t want a rehash of VH1; and I certainly don’t want a remake of VH2. I’m hoping 4001AD will do for VEI what Unity and Rai#0 did for VH1. And I think we old fans tend to forget just how bad some of the old ‘classic’ Valiant titles really were (although I’m perversely fond of them anyway).

VEI is not perfect, but it’s one of the better companies out there – stories that may not always blow one away but which still satisfy (I do not include ‘Dead Drop’ here!) most of the time. Production quality is high, it ships on time. And the promise of better things to come is still there.

This is from a guy who was seriously out on Valiant but just couldn’t make it out the door. But others here seem to be eyeing the door. Which is why I’m dropping this note in this particular thread.

[As for the BoD:LotD mini… I now have all four issues in my long box, thanks to a good friend who went out of his way to obtain them for me. (Great art but a so-so story…) And something I hope VEI never tries again.]

Okay. I’m done for now. As much as I wanted to back then, I never went away. I intend staying for the duration.

Great story! Thanks for sharing!

Mkb28

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:19 am

ErikG wrote:<snip>Some titles were damn good – Ivar (a lot of fun), Rai, and Imperium in particular. After an excellent first issue, Divinity disappointed. Book of Death was a whole lot of noise about nothing. BoD: The Fall of Harbinger was intriguing. X-O’s story arcs are crammed into too few issues (I think more should have been done to explore the…um… X-O Armor Corps in Dead Hand, for example), and there’s a little too much ‘Valiant Team-Up’ about other titles. Unity was hugely disappointing and Issue 25 a farce. But the biggest peeve I’ve had with VEI has been what was done to Jack Boniface. What a wasted opportunity that was!

<snip>As much as I wanted to back then, I never went away. I intend staying for the duration.

This...agree 100% and I resemble this remark

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:23 am

Shadowman99 wrote:
depluto wrote:
MECHANO wrote:I just wish whoever has the Harada hard-on would get over it. Can we have a proper Harbinger book? And have it not be Harbinger: featuring Harada? fuuuuhhhj....
Not your run-of-the-mill first post.

Certainly a bit unconventional

To be honest, I've enjoyed Imperium waaaay more than I *ever* did Harbinger, so lots of Harada in this ONE title at the moment is good with me. Gotta remember on this forum that not everybody here is going to always see things your way. That's how we all get on here.

Agreed. I prefer more of Harada and his world than the Renegades. I've enjoyed Imperium far more than I enjoyed Harbinger.

Intrepidxc · Post by **Intrepidxc** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:08 pm

I'm still buying the trades, but I gave up on full issues. I'm also cutting down my slab collection and other than Gold books and a few random 1:100 variants, I'm done with VEI slabs.

What really lost my interest are the constant re-starts and re-numbering. I know why VEI is doing it, I just don't like it.

nonplayer · Post by **nonplayer** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:19 pm

I'm really excited for torment in xo ManOwar, 4001 xo soon, 4001, Divinity 2 so I guess I'm not out.
On the valiant white board I'm sure it says vine legend I'm hopeing for a vine 0

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:04 am

nonplayer wrote:I'm really excited for torment in xo ManOwar, 4001 xo soon, 4001, Divinity 2 so I guess I'm not out.
On the valiant white board I'm sure it says vine legend I'm hopeing for a vine 0

At a guess (obviously) I'd say the "vine legend" probably refers to the upcoming Torment arc.

I'm with you and your general enthusiasm tbh. I've enjoyed XO since day one, and although Valiant have put out the occasional duff issue I'm stillvery happy to be a regular floppies reader on all titles. Excited for the XO Torment arc, the remaining issues of Imperium, Divinity II, the upcoming Rai/4001 event, Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, and finding out what Britannia and the Savage are about, so I think the near future of Valiant is looking good in terms of my personal enjoyment of their comics

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:01 am

Man, after reading today's offerings (Bloodshot, Div 2, X-O), I can't see anyone bailing on this line.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:28 am

Keith wrote:Man, after reading today's offerings (Bloodshot, Div 2, X-O), I can't see anyone bailing on this line.

NinJZA · Post by **NinJZA** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:21 pm

nonplayer wrote:I'm a hard cat for life so I'm still on board with Valiant. I am very sad about the end of Imperium and XO but I won't bail on the company when they need me more than ever and if you bailers do bail the loss of a wicked company will be on your shoulders. I've never been a buy everything type of guy I buy the titles I collect which is just xo but bloodshot, bloodshot Reborn, Divinity, unity, Harbinger, Rai, BoD, are all titles I didn't plan on buying but after reading the first few issues I was hooked. Valiant has done "alot" of good comics. personally I blame the small mindedness of the population of North American for the low numbers. It's the same as Trump being popular but sanders being over looked as a good candidate for presidency. In short people are stupid, and go for the loud stupid and flashy, not for what's good and right. And you people bailing on Valiant now makes me very sad. here we are religious family of fandom for Valiant and your all ready to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Sure buy what interests you but don't quit Valiant altogether are you kidding me. If we don't support them then all we will be left with is the other two carppy companies making the mindless carp for the mindless masses. If only Canadian Valiant fan club on Facebook didn't close down that group never gave up and would have some kind of plan to gain readers and keep long term fans from leaving at the first sign of trouble.
Do you remember the slogan "stay Valiant"

Totally understand. My graphic novel book club is all about complaining about the latest missteps with Marvel or DC, but if I pitch a Valiant title nobody wants to hear about it. I don't get it.

Aram · Post by **Aram** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:53 pm

ErikG wrote:As some of you may remember from last year, I declared that I was dropping Valiant because of the BoD:LotG incentive. I’m a story completist and this was just not on! Greg jumped on me with big boots, and Paradise Ed slapped me around a bit (metaphorically speaking, of course). Anyway, off I went to the LCS to cancel my VEI titles (I was getting them all), but… But I just couldn’t do it! I couldn’t. I sat in that shop for two hours and could not bring myself to cancel. Which told me something…

As infuriating as the LotG incentive was, and as disappointing as a few of the titles have been, I guess I love Valiant too much to give up on VEI. And so I’m still getting every title VEI puts out.

Soon after the BOD thing, real life intruded and I had to put comics aside, but at last, over the Easter Weekend, I binge-read about ten months’ worth. On the whole, I wasn’t at all unhappy with what I read. Some titles were damn good – Ivar (a lot of fun), Rai, and Imperium in particular. After an excellent first issue, Divinity disappointed. Book of Death was a whole lot of noise about nothing. BoD: The Fall of Harbinger was intriguing. X-O’s story arcs are crammed into too few issues (I think more should have been done to explore the…um… X-O Armor Corps in Dead Hand, for example), and there’s a little too much ‘Valiant Team-Up’ about other titles. Unity was hugely disappointing and Issue 25 a farce. But the biggest peeve I’ve had with VEI has been what was done to Jack Boniface. What a wasted opportunity that was!

I could go on about other things – but not here. When all is said and done, I’m still satisfied with what VEI is doing. I don’t want a rehash of VH1; and I certainly don’t want a remake of VH2. I’m hoping 4001AD will do for VEI what Unity and Rai#0 did for VH1. And I think we old fans tend to forget just how bad some of the old ‘classic’ Valiant titles really were (although I’m perversely fond of them anyway).

VEI is not perfect, but it’s one of the better companies out there – stories that may not always blow one away but which still satisfy (I do not include ‘Dead Drop’ here!) most of the time. Production quality is high, it ships on time. And the promise of better things to come is still there.

This is from a guy who was seriously out on Valiant but just couldn’t make it out the door. But others here seem to be eyeing the door. Which is why I’m dropping this note in this particular thread.

[As for the BoD:LotD mini… I now have all four issues in my long box, thanks to a good friend who went out of his way to obtain them for me. (Great art but a so-so story…) And something I hope VEI never tries again.]

Okay. I’m done for now. As much as I wanted to back then, I never went away. I intend staying for the duration.

This. VEI is not perfect, but it keeps working towards it.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:11 am

NinJZA wrote:
nonplayer wrote:I'm a hard cat for life so I'm still on board with Valiant. I am very sad about the end of Imperium and XO but I won't bail on the company when they need me more than ever and if you bailers do bail the loss of a wicked company will be on your shoulders. I've never been a buy everything type of guy I buy the titles I collect which is just xo but bloodshot, bloodshot Reborn, Divinity, unity, Harbinger, Rai, BoD, are all titles I didn't plan on buying but after reading the first few issues I was hooked. Valiant has done "alot" of good comics. personally I blame the small mindedness of the population of North American for the low numbers. It's the same as Trump being popular but sanders being over looked as a good candidate for presidency. In short people are stupid, and go for the loud stupid and flashy, not for what's good and right. And you people bailing on Valiant now makes me very sad. here we are religious family of fandom for Valiant and your all ready to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Sure buy what interests you but don't quit Valiant altogether are you kidding me. If we don't support them then all we will be left with is the other two carppy companies making the mindless carp for the mindless masses. If only Canadian Valiant fan club on Facebook didn't close down that group never gave up and would have some kind of plan to gain readers and keep long term fans from leaving at the first sign of trouble.
Do you remember the slogan "stay Valiant"
Totally understand. My graphic novel book club is all about complaining about the latest missteps with Marvel or DC, but if I pitch a Valiant title nobody wants to hear about it. I don't get it.

Sounds to me like your pals are pretty stuck in their ways. Stick Valiant trades in a few guys' hands for a week and pass em onto others the next, that'll get chins wagging.

Psiot X · Post by **Psiot X** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:20 pm

I buy digital comics. I buy them because some part of me still loves good comic book superhero or villain stories. I am not a collector. I find my feelings running contrary to some of you as a result. You see Valiant provides for my fix of storytelling better than anyone else I know of on the market right now.

Marvel and DC... well if I am honest they make twenty page wonders hyping a character but never really going anywhere anymore outside of keeping some one in print for future movie deal X. Perhaps I am harsh in that assessment but it is how I have been feeling. Like I am dealing with a Hollywood company looking for movie dollars and treating comics adults once loved to indulge as just toys rather than story art while making marketing moves to garner audience halfheartedly rather than having fun.

There are only a few books I cling to and I feel sad at the state of them.

Valiant still reads and feels like a comic book company making comics. I hope they keep getting new fans and making the kind of books I enjoy, old man or not. Ninjak has about twice the content of any of the big two's comics each month and its usually really good. There isn't one villain written as well as Harada in the big two now. Just for example.

I am not out of Valiant. I keep looking at the big two but coming back here. Hopefully other people will too. We need good comics. And good comic companies shouldn't fail to make it.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:04 am

Psiot X wrote:There are only a few books I cling to and I feel sad at the state of them.

Drop 'em. You'll feel weight off your shoulders once you've done it.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:05 am

Psiot X wrote:Valiant still reads and feels like a comic book company making comics. I hope they keep getting new fans and making the kind of books I enjoy, old man or not. I keep looking at the big two but coming back here. Hopefully other people will too. We need good comics. And good comic companies shouldn't fail to make it.

QFT

Aram · Post by **Aram** » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:58 pm

I just binge-read a bunch of stuff I drove all over town to track down..

VEI is Pure awesome right now in everything I read.

Anything I could complain about would be pointless because it's up to personal taste and honestly, I think things are being done so well that I can finally enjoy the books despite what I may consider the sacrilegious changes that are made over the original characters.

I still have the newest issues of Wrath to read and have not touched recent X-O, Ninjak, Bloodshot reborn 5+, or Imperium yet.. so maybe it is possible that those will be horrifyingly horrible and I might be limited to absolutely loving only half of everything coming from Valiant right now..

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:01 am

Aram wrote:I just binge-read a bunch of stuff I drove all over town to track down..

VEI is Pure awesome right now in everything I read.

Anything I could complain about would be pointless because it's up to personal taste and honestly, I think things are being done so well that I can finally enjoy the books despite what I may consider the sacrilegious changes that are made over the original characters.

I still have the newest issues of Wrath to read and have not touched recent X-O, Ninjak, Bloodshot reborn 5+, or Imperium yet.. so maybe it is possible that those will be horrifyingly horrible and I might be limited to absolutely loving only half of everything coming from Valiant right now..

Glad to see you're enjoying VEI

I think sometimes folk on the board get a bit too... I dunno, I think maybe 'loss of perspective' would be one way to put it. I think sometimes we forget that the most basic point of a comic book is to read something for 20 minutes that entertains. I try to keep that in mind myself the majority of the time if I can and read the books in a fairly casual, non-critical manner, which is hy I perhaps seem to enjoy the comics a bit more than other guys on the board here sometimes.

But you're right, it is all personal: as long as you're enjoying the books that's the main thing: if you're not, stop buying 'em, easy

But recent XO, ninjak, BS and Imperium are all amazing in my opinion - you've unwittingly saved the best for last!

P.S: Don't read Dead Drop, it's terrible!

Psiot X · Post by **Psiot X** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:29 am

Shadowman99 wrote:
Aram wrote:I just binge-read a bunch of stuff I drove all over town to track down..

VEI is Pure awesome right now in everything I read.

Anything I could complain about would be pointless because it's up to personal taste and honestly, I think things are being done so well that I can finally enjoy the books despite what I may consider the sacrilegious changes that are made over the original characters.

I still have the newest issues of Wrath to read and have not touched recent X-O, Ninjak, Bloodshot reborn 5+, or Imperium yet.. so maybe it is possible that those will be horrifyingly horrible and I might be limited to absolutely loving only half of everything coming from Valiant right now..
Glad to see you're enjoying VEI I think sometimes folk on the board get a bit too... I dunno, I think maybe 'loss of perspective' would be one way to put it. I think sometimes we forget that the most basic point of a comic book is to read something for 20 minutes that entertains. I try to keep that in mind myself the majority of the time if I can and read the books in a fairly casual, non-critical manner, which is hy I perhaps seem to enjoy the comics a bit more than other guys on the board here sometimes.

But you're right, it is all personal: as long as you're enjoying the books that's the main thing: if you're not, stop buying 'em, easy

But recent XO, ninjak, BS and Imperium are all amazing in my opinion - you've unwittingly saved the best for last!

P.S: Don't read Dead Drop, it's terrible!

Emphasis for truth. I think I may be guilty of being a critical reader though in that I am always overthinking my comics. Its just that with VEI I love what I am reading.

I don't know if you have played Fallout 4, but I laugh at how much like the main character I prove to be in reading my comic book with the coffee at breakfast before going out to work in the real world.

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