Book of Death: Legends of the Geomancer

[cray_ws]

Ok.. for all you people who say VEI needs to do this and needs to do that..


5,000,000+ people will watch the Bloodshot movie either in theaters or on video..

I'm guessing at least One in 100 people will likely look into valiant comics afterwards if the movie is good (not even GREAT)..

5,000,000/100= 50,000.

What will VEI look like with 50,000 NEW people looking into back issues, tpbs, digital copies and monthlies?

DOOM and GLOOM!~!

DC assumed the same thing way back in 1989 with Micheal Keaton's Batman. It didn't increase Batman's readership at all. It was brief blip that lasted 2 months and returned to it's normal sales numbers.

The problem was that new customers didn't know which Bat book was like the movie. Most balked at price of Frank Miller's trade of Batman, which was the closest thing to the movie. Trades weren't even readily available either.

The Walking Dead increased it's readers from TV show because there was only one TWD book to follow and the trades are very easily marked in order. So there's no elseworlds or random TWD trade from 30 year old continuity. Everything is neat and accessible for the most inexperienced comic book reader. But the biggest key is the TV show pretty much follows the same storyline, much like Harry Potter or Lord Of the Ring movies being adapted straight from the book.

So if Valiant really wants the movies to boost the sales of their books as well as their existing trades of current continuity, they would be best to do straight adaptions. It would literally jack up the resale value of original print and it would unite the fandom, as opposed to separating the readers from the moviegoers. So I really hope the 4 films follow the books that lead into Harbinger Wars.

[cray_ws]

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Stop being so anal. In comic book terms a collector is one who preserves their books for resale value. One who uses the price guide and purchases books based on print scarcity as well as condition of the original printed book.


A reader may keep their books for sentimental value.

[cray_ws]

I am probably not going to complain until I see cost and availability. Why get worked up over hypothetical price points and scarcity? I am still just f'ing stoked for Juan Jose Ryp interiors.

So you think I'm worked up? Would it surprised you that I'm impressed with Ryp's pencils too? Well guess what....I gotta jump through hoops for copy. I ain't happy I'm being denied access to what is otherwise just another comic book. Yeah it looks great, but I'm not paying more than $4 for 24 page book. Even at that price there's no guarantee I will have access to it.

I'm not *SQUEE*' about a variant cover or a collectors item, I'm complaining about an actual printed story. What the *SQUEE* are we doing here if comic books are not about reading? *SQUEE* comic book dealers...they don't even like Valiant! they don't order enough, and they don't care, so why should Valiant give dealers incentives for being *SQUEE*. You know a dealer who doesn't care about Valiant will order this just to get the rare book...not for themselves but to resell it at outrageous price. Valiant is enabling bad businesspeople.

[Brapbrap]

Is it, I mean, outside of Marvel Adventures, when's the last time comics, was actually catered to kids.

actually post-convergence DC are going to be putting out a couple of all ages miniseries, presumably to see if an all ages ongoing is viable

[dornwolf]

Is it, I mean, outside of Marvel Adventures, when's the last time comics, was actually catered to kids.

actually post-convergence DC are going to be putting out a couple of all ages miniseries, presumably to see if an all ages ongoing is viable

And if you really want to get into it most of the actual Convergence tie-ins are pretty non-violent for a set of books where the concept is that somebodies got to possibly kill somebody else. Hell they`re down right tasteful on every level when compared to DC`s current output.

[SJS4]

I am a reader, 100%. If I were a collector

Unless you're throwing your comics in the trash after reading them, you're a collector. No?

Kind of a weird notion. If he throws it out he obviously cannot read it again.

Most of my favorite comics have been read a dozen times. Probably all of them have been read at least twice.

That's my point, and thus, why he is, a collector.

Using that logic I am a collector of everything I plan on using more than once?

Yeah, no. I don't think that word means what you think it does.

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Who is this "we" you speak of, white man?

If you are buying them just to own them (and the content is superfluous) you would be a pure collector. But most of us derive at least some enjoyment out of reading them and less pleasure from simply owning them.

Myself, i am a collector as well as a reader. That being said, 99% of the enjoyment i derive from comics is from reading the stories and looking at the art. I don't buy any comics i don't read, and comics i don't intend to read i get rid of (usually via annual yard sale).

My post was more to point out the flaw in your logic (ie: if you don't throw something away thst means you collect it). That being said, i have no doubt thst some folks are pure readers and have no intent to collect.

[agent_graves]

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Stop being so anal. In comic book terms a collector is one who preserves their books for resale value. One who uses the price guide and purchases books based on print scarcity as well as condition of the original printed book.


A reader may keep their books for sentimental value.

It's all the same bruh, you speak as if a collector, doesn't have something in his collection, of sentimental value. Going by that logic, a collector doesn't read either, it's all about the resale, which isn't true either, I've resold plenty of comics over the years, that doesn't mean that I don't care about story content, I'm a reader first, but I'll also sell off some stuff that doesn't hold any sentimental value to me, it's all the same.

[agent_graves]

Unless you're throwing your comics in the trash after reading them, you're a collector. No?

Kind of a weird notion. If he throws it out he obviously cannot read it again.

Most of my favorite comics have been read a dozen times. Probably all of them have been read at least twice.

That's my point, and thus, why he is, a collector.

Using that logic I am a collector of everything I plan on using more than once?

Yeah, no. I don't think that word means what you think it does.

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Who is this "we" you speak of, white man?

If you are buying them just to own them (and the content is superfluous) you would be a pure collector. But most of us derive at least some enjoyment out of reading them and less pleasure from simply owning them.

Myself, i am a collector as well as a reader. That being said, 99% of the enjoyment i derive from comics is from reading the stories and looking at the art. I don't buy any comics i don't read, and comics i don't intend to read i get rid of (usually via annual yard sale).

My post was more to point out the flaw in your logic (ie: if you don't throw something away thst means you collect it). That being said, i have no doubt thst some folks are pure readers and have no intent to collect.

We, as in, middle-aged men, buying comics. And by the way, I'm black. I don't see the same flaw in my logic as you because, we're talking comics, not toothpaste. Their's a difference between a collector, and a hoarder.

[lorddunlow]

Kind of a weird notion. If he throws it out he obviously cannot read it again.

Most of my favorite comics have been read a dozen times. Probably all of them have been read at least twice.

That's my point, and thus, why he is, a collector.

Using that logic I am a collector of everything I plan on using more than once?

Yeah, no. I don't think that word means what you think it does.

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Who is this "we" you speak of, white man?

If you are buying them just to own them (and the content is superfluous) you would be a pure collector. But most of us derive at least some enjoyment out of reading them and less pleasure from simply owning them.

Myself, i am a collector as well as a reader. That being said, 99% of the enjoyment i derive from comics is from reading the stories and looking at the art. I don't buy any comics i don't read, and comics i don't intend to read i get rid of (usually via annual yard sale).

My post was more to point out the flaw in your logic (ie: if you don't throw something away thst means you collect it). That being said, i have no doubt thst some folks are pure readers and have no intent to collect.

We, as in, middle-aged men, buying comics. And by the way, I'm black. I don't see the same flaw in my logic as you because, we're talking comics, not toothpaste. Their's a difference between a collector, and a hoarder.

Oh, so the women and younger members on here don't count?

[JonesyAZ]

Wow, I am surprised to see such an emotional response regarding this book's announcement. All points are certainly valid My response is that I'm going to tell my LCS that I'm interested in this mini-series and save up between now and then and see what I'm dealing with price-wise. For an industry oversaturated with high-priced premium variants that folks buy up all the time, that are purchases of the same interiors over and over again, I am intrigued by this promotion. Now if the story itself ends up being a stinker...

[agent_graves]

That's my point, and thus, why he is, a collector.

Using that logic I am a collector of everything I plan on using more than once?

Yeah, no. I don't think that word means what you think it does.

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Who is this "we" you speak of, white man?

If you are buying them just to own them (and the content is superfluous) you would be a pure collector. But most of us derive at least some enjoyment out of reading them and less pleasure from simply owning them.

Myself, i am a collector as well as a reader. That being said, 99% of the enjoyment i derive from comics is from reading the stories and looking at the art. I don't buy any comics i don't read, and comics i don't intend to read i get rid of (usually via annual yard sale).

My post was more to point out the flaw in your logic (ie: if you don't throw something away thst means you collect it). That being said, i have no doubt thst some folks are pure readers and have no intent to collect.

We, as in, middle-aged men, buying comics. And by the way, I'm black. I don't see the same flaw in my logic as you because, we're talking comics, not toothpaste. Their's a difference between a collector, and a hoarder.

Oh, so the women and younger members on here don't count?

The comic book buying community. Better?

[SJS4]

[not quoting because the chain is too long and i am posting from my phone]

FWIW, there are collectors for everything. Even toothpaste!

But that doesn't change the point. Not everyone that reads comics collects them. I do, FWIW, but i understand that others don't. Although as mentioned i am pretty low on the collecting scale. I will grant you that the % of "collectors" is very high of course, but that doesn't fix the logic you used.

PS. Is is wrong that i find it particularly funny that i used the "white man" line on a black guy?

[agent_graves]

[not quoting because the chain is too long and i am posting from my phone]

FWIW, there are collectors for everything. Even toothpaste!

But that doesn't change the point. Not everyone that reads comics collects them. I do, FWIW, but i understand that others don't. Although as mentioned i am pretty low on the collecting scale. I will grant you that the % of "collectors" is very high of course, but that doesn't fix the logic you used.

PS. Is is wrong that i find it particularly funny that i used the "white man" line on a black guy?

It's cool, we can agree to disagree. I guess in hindsight, the employees at my lcs, who past the time reading comics at work, but don't have boxes of comics in their closet at home, are, just readers.

[lorddunlow]

[not quoting because the chain is too long and i am posting from my phone]

FWIW, there are collectors for everything. Even toothpaste!

But that doesn't change the point. Not everyone that reads comics collects them. I do, FWIW, but i understand that others don't. Although as mentioned i am pretty low on the collecting scale. I will grant you that the % of "collectors" is very high of course, but that doesn't fix the logic you used.

PS. Is is wrong that i find it particularly funny that i used the "white man" line on a black guy?

It's cool, we can agree to disagree. I guess in hindsight, the employees at my lcs, who past the time reading comics at work, but don't have boxes of comics in their closet at home, are, just readers.

That's what I was trying to say. The only "collecting" I do is ASM. I buy my current books to read, not to collect. I have to buy them to read them.

[Ricomortis]

[not quoting because the chain is too long and i am posting from my phone]

FWIW, there are collectors for everything. Even toothpaste!

But that doesn't change the point. Not everyone that reads comics collects them. I do, FWIW, but i understand that others don't. Although as mentioned i am pretty low on the collecting scale. I will grant you that the % of "collectors" is very high of course, but that doesn't fix the logic you used.

PS. Is is wrong that i find it particularly funny that i used the "white man" line on a black guy?

It's cool, we can agree to disagree. I guess in hindsight, the employees at my lcs, who past the time reading comics at work, but don't have boxes of comics in their closet at home, are, just readers.

That's what I was trying to say. The only "collecting" I do is ASM. I buy my current books to read, not to collect. I have to buy them to read them.

Read Only?

No Collect?

My soul is burning....

[lorddunlow]

[not quoting because the chain is too long and i am posting from my phone]

FWIW, there are collectors for everything. Even toothpaste!

But that doesn't change the point. Not everyone that reads comics collects them. I do, FWIW, but i understand that others don't. Although as mentioned i am pretty low on the collecting scale. I will grant you that the % of "collectors" is very high of course, but that doesn't fix the logic you used.

PS. Is is wrong that i find it particularly funny that i used the "white man" line on a black guy?

It's cool, we can agree to disagree. I guess in hindsight, the employees at my lcs, who past the time reading comics at work, but don't have boxes of comics in their closet at home, are, just readers.

That's what I was trying to say. The only "collecting" I do is ASM. I buy my current books to read, not to collect. I have to buy them to read them.

Read Only?

No Collect?

My soul is burning....

[agent_graves]

Is it, I mean, outside of Marvel Adventures, when's the last time comics, was actually catered to kids.

actually post-convergence DC are going to be putting out a couple of all ages miniseries, presumably to see if an all ages ongoing is viable

That's a great idea.

[ilzuccone]

so much anger in this thread.

[Magnus9178]

so much anger in this thread.

But humorous to watch!!!

[Aram]

Ok.. for all you people who say VEI needs to do this and needs to do that..


5,000,000+ people will watch the Bloodshot movie either in theaters or on video..

I'm guessing at least One in 100 people will likely look into valiant comics afterwards if the movie is good (not even GREAT)..

5,000,000/100= 50,000.

What will VEI look like with 50,000 NEW people looking into back issues, tpbs, digital copies and monthlies?

DOOM and GLOOM!~!

DC assumed the same thing way back in 1989 with Micheal Keaton's Batman. It didn't increase Batman's readership at all. It was brief blip that lasted 2 months and returned to it's normal sales numbers.

The problem was that new customers didn't know which Bat book was like the movie. Most balked at price of Frank Miller's trade of Batman, which was the closest thing to the movie. Trades weren't even readily available either.

The Walking Dead increased it's readers from TV show because there was only one TWD book to follow and the trades are very easily marked in order. So there's no elseworlds or random TWD trade from 30 year old continuity. Everything is neat and accessible for the most inexperienced comic book reader. But the biggest key is the TV show pretty much follows the same storyline, much like Harry Potter or Lord Of the Ring movies being adapted straight from the book.

So if Valiant really wants the movies to boost the sales of their books as well as their existing trades of current continuity, they would be best to do straight adaptions. It would literally jack up the resale value of original print and it would unite the fandom, as opposed to separating the readers from the moviegoers. So I really hope the 4 films follow the books that lead into Harbinger Wars.

That is a bad example because everyone knew who Batman was. I knew about Batman from the 60's tv show reruns and superfriends etc. if nothing else. And I firmly believe the Batman movie did increase readership in the long run. I would not have been interested in and bought into Knightfall if I had not loved Batman in 1989 followed by Batman TAS. Likewise the Death of Superman probably would not have drawn me into comics if I had not seen the Superman Movie.

Before those events and (Unity) I collected baseball cards and mostly ignored the comics on the shelves, though I asked about them occasionally.

[Aram]

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Stop being so anal. In comic book terms a collectorSPECULATOR is one who preserves their books for resale value. One who uses the price guide and purchases books based on print scarcity as well as condition of the original printed book.


A reader may keep their books for sentimental value.

fixed that for you.

[ilzuccone]

col·lec·tor
1. a person who collects things of a specified type, professionally or as a hobby.

Is that not what we're doing?

Stop being so anal. In comic book terms a collectorSPECULATOR is one who preserves their books for resale value. One who uses the price guide and purchases books based on print scarcity as well as condition of the original printed book.


A reader may keep their books for sentimental value.

fixed that for you.

yeah that's what i was thinking. i collect but i don't preserve for resale. i'm really hard on my books. they hold almost no value when i'm done with them

[Aram]

I buy my current books to read, not to collect.

Hmmm.. This boy Sounds like one-of-them socialist Canadians right thar..

HE's a SPY! Lynch HIM!

[Aram]

Too bad Valiant fans are never passionate about the books or their views on Valiant...

[Paul Nolan]

reminds me of the current UK election advert encouraging people to register to vote

https://youtu.be/BU98-TeparI

People don't like being told they cant do something!!