Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[ManofTheAtom]

This debacle began with my being accused of shilling for Alien when all I did was try to get people to stop blaming them for bad decisions made at DMG before Alien acquired the license to make VALIANT comics.

My sole *SQUEE* interest was in getting new VALIANT comics rather than watch them die yet again.

For some *SQUEE* reasons I'm maybe too *SQUEE* stupid to comprehend, asking people to be open minded and not blindly accuse Company B or Company A's *SQUEE* ups and give Company B the benefit of the doubt before *SQUEE* on them for decisions they had no part in has proven to be next to impossible.

[Ryan]

This debacle began with my being accused of shilling for Alien when all I did was try to get people to stop blaming them for bad decisions made at DMG before Alien acquired the license to make VALIANT comics.

My sole *SQUEE* interest was in getting new VALIANT comics rather than watch them die yet again.

For some *SQUEE* reasons I'm maybe too *SQUEE* stupid to comprehend, asking people to be open minded and not blindly accuse Company B or Company A's *SQUEE* ups and give Company B the benefit of the doubt before *SQUEE* on them for decisions they had no part in has proven to be next to impossible.

The kickstarter was over a year ago, no one is bringing it up except you.

Don't you think the whole 'be open minded' phase has passed, since now we're into the phase where we can actually assess the many months of comics, included completed mini-series, that have been published?

You keep saying that

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

But that minimizes the fact that they didn't just hire a former DMG employee, they literally hired the senior editor to be editor in chief, the person who runs the whole show.

It would be like if they hired Shooter and continued the VH1 continuity, even if it was a 'different company', those comics would still have a lot of relationship/similarities to the original VH1 comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

This debacle began with my being accused of shilling for Alien when all I did was try to get people to stop blaming them for bad decisions made at DMG before Alien acquired the license to make VALIANT comics.

My sole *SQUEE* interest was in getting new VALIANT comics rather than watch them die yet again.

For some *SQUEE* reasons I'm maybe too *SQUEE* stupid to comprehend, asking people to be open minded and not blindly accuse Company B or Company A's *SQUEE* ups and give Company B the benefit of the doubt before *SQUEE* on them for decisions they had no part in has proven to be next to impossible.

The kickstarter was over a year ago, no one is bringing it up except you.

Don't you think the whole 'be open minded' phase has passed, since now we're into the phase where we can actually assess the many months of comics, included completed mini-series, that have been published?

You keep saying that

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

I brought it up in response to you accusing me of shilling for Alien.

I wasn't shilling, I was trying to get people to stop *SQUEE* on them because DMG *SQUEE* up, which resulted in this derailment of people insisting that DMG and Alien are the same company just because Alien hired the same editor that worked at DMG and continued the same narrative threads.

Had they rebooted and hired a different editor, that argument would have never been made.

[Ryan]

This debacle began with my being accused of shilling for Alien when all I did was try to get people to stop blaming them for bad decisions made at DMG before Alien acquired the license to make VALIANT comics.

My sole *SQUEE* interest was in getting new VALIANT comics rather than watch them die yet again.

For some *SQUEE* reasons I'm maybe too *SQUEE* stupid to comprehend, asking people to be open minded and not blindly accuse Company B or Company A's *SQUEE* ups and give Company B the benefit of the doubt before *SQUEE* on them for decisions they had no part in has proven to be next to impossible.

The kickstarter was over a year ago, no one is bringing it up except you.

Don't you think the whole 'be open minded' phase has passed, since now we're into the phase where we can actually assess the many months of comics, included completed mini-series, that have been published?

You keep saying that

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

I brought it up in response to you accusing me of shilling for Alien.

I wasn't shilling, I was trying to get people to stop *SQUEE* on them because DMG *SQUEE* up, which resulted in this derailment of people insisting that DMG and Alien are the same company just because Alien hired the same editor that worked at DMG and continued the same narrative threads.

Had they rebooted and hired a different editor, that argument would have never been made.

Got it, I hit send too early. It cut off this part:

You keep saying that

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

But that minimizes the fact that they didn't just hire a former DMG employee, they literally hired the senior editor to be editor in chief, the person who runs the whole show.

It would be like if they hired Shooter and continued the VH1 continuity, even if it was a 'different company', those comics would still have a lot of relationship/similarities to the original VH1 comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

This debacle began with my being accused of shilling for Alien when all I did was try to get people to stop blaming them for bad decisions made at DMG before Alien acquired the license to make VALIANT comics.

My sole *SQUEE* interest was in getting new VALIANT comics rather than watch them die yet again.

For some *SQUEE* reasons I'm maybe too *SQUEE* stupid to comprehend, asking people to be open minded and not blindly accuse Company B or Company A's *SQUEE* ups and give Company B the benefit of the doubt before *SQUEE* on them for decisions they had no part in has proven to be next to impossible.

The kickstarter was over a year ago, no one is bringing it up except you.

Don't you think the whole 'be open minded' phase has passed, since now we're into the phase where we can actually assess the many months of comics, included completed mini-series, that have been published?

You keep saying that

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

I brought it up in response to you accusing me of shilling for Alien.

I wasn't shilling, I was trying to get people to stop *SQUEE* on them because DMG *SQUEE* up, which resulted in this derailment of people insisting that DMG and Alien are the same company just because Alien hired the same editor that worked at DMG and continued the same narrative threads.

Had they rebooted and hired a different editor, that argument would have never been made.

Got it, I hit send too early. It cut off this part:

You keep saying that
ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:53 pm
The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.
But that minimizes the fact that they didn't just hire a former DMG employee, they literally hired the senior editor to be editor in chief, the person who runs the whole show.

It would be like if they hired Shooter and continued the VH1 continuity, even if it was a 'different company', those comics would still have a lot of relationship/similarities to the original VH1 comics.

That has ZERO relevance to the point at hand since what people were *SQUEE* on Alien for was DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the KS. That has nothing to do with who edits the comics.

The relentless anger levied at the Alien people got to the point that they will no longer come here because they don't want to interact with people that blame them for *SQUEE* they had nothing to do with.

[Ryan]

That has ZERO relevance to the point at hand since what people were *SQUEE* on Alien for was DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the KS. That has nothing to do with who edits the comics.

The relentless anger levied at the Alien people got to the point that they will no longer come here because they don't want to interact with people that blame them for *SQUEE* they had nothing to do with.

So what? Still don't get what the year old kickstarter drama has to do with the comics coming out now.

[ManofTheAtom]

That has ZERO relevance to the point at hand since what people were *SQUEE* on Alien for was DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the KS. That has nothing to do with who edits the comics.

The relentless anger levied at the Alien people got to the point that they will no longer come here because they don't want to interact with people that blame them for *SQUEE* they had nothing to do with.

So what? Still don't get what the year old kickstarter drama has to do with the comics coming out now.

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

Five pages wasted arguing something that should be indisputable.

[Ryan]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

[ManofTheAtom]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

[Ryan]

Five pages wasted arguing something that should be indisputable.

Yeah if you just read one of the comics it's pretty indisputable that Alien's Valiant is very similar to DMG's Valiant. Not sure why we needed 5 pages to explain that

[Ryan]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

How do you discuss the comics without reading them?

[ManofTheAtom]

Five pages wasted arguing something that should be indisputable.

Yeah if you just read one of the comics it's pretty indisputable that Alien's Valiant is very similar to DMG's Valiant. Not sure why we needed 5 pages to explain that

Once again, you are discussing the fictional narrative. I am discussing the poor business decisions DMG made that people here levied against Alien even before they published their first comic.

Just because Alien's comics continue the narrative threads begun at DMG it does not mean that Alien and DMG are the same company and that Alien is liable for DMG's screw ups.

[ManofTheAtom]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

How do you discuss the comics without reading them?

We discuss the things we'd like to see from the comics moving forward.

[ManofTheAtom]

This is when we stopped discussing the comics.

Rules can be broken if it's done in the right way. But this sounds dumb and like bad sci-fi. Not surprising in the least if you've actually read any of the current books.

100% agree. VH1 and VEI both did a good job of breaking this rule tbh. Bloodshot essentially dies all the time and comes back. Deathmate died and came back in The Valiant. Both were awesome and had consequences.

Bloodshot does not die. The nanites regenerate his injuries and organs or sustain his life when he suffers what would otherwise be traumatic injuries.

What Silk is doing is reviving the dead, which is something that, to date, only necromancers and the immortals transformed by the Boon have been able to do. So, either he has reassembled or recreated the Boon, is working with a necromancer, or has found a third means to revive the dead.

As usual, so much wrong with your take. Gross lack of comprehensive reading of the comics and probably some misunderstanding what you have read and a healthy dose of "Shooter said it in an interview so it must be true' even though the stories do the opposite.

What Silk is doing is reviving the dead, which is something that, to date, only necromancers and the immortals transformed by the Boon have been able to do. So, either he has reassembled or recreated the Boon, is working with a necromancer, or has found a third means to revive the dead.

As usual, so much wrong with your take. Gross lack of comprehensive reading of the comics and probably some misunderstanding what you have read and a healthy dose of "Shooter said it in an interview so it must be true' even though the stories do the opposite.

Mota doesn't read any of the Alien comics and has no plans to. He just wants to 'defend' Alien comics in an effort to score points/befriend the employees. His arguments are not made in good faith or from a true Valiant comic reader perspective.

[Chiclo]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

How do you discuss the comics without reading them?

Is this a riddle?

Is the answer “shilling”?

[Ryan]

We discuss the things we'd like to see from the comics moving forward.

How is that even possible without actually reading the comics?

Is this a riddle?

Is the answer “shilling”?

*Ding Ding Ding* Winner

[Ryan]

Once again, you are discussing the fictional narrative. I am discussing the poor business decisions DMG made that people here levied against Alien even before they published their first comic.

Just because Alien's comics continue the narrative threads begun at DMG it does not mean that Alien and DMG are the same company and that Alien is liable for DMG's screw ups.

No, I'm discussing the entire package. Writing, art, presentation, cover(s), promotion, etc. Everything that is under the direction of the Editor in Chief (or Senior Editor).

These are all very similar to DMG, to my eyes. Granted I haven't read nearly all of them. Enough for me to form an opinion though. They read very similar to a DMG era comic, with probably worse art, but more cohesion to the stories. But just more cohesion doesn't make for automatically better stories unfortunately.

[lorddunlow]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

How do you discuss the comics without reading them?

Is this a riddle?

Is the answer “shilling”?

I think the answer is - 'twas brillig

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[lorddunlow]

Also, the argument about someone working both places is a little off. Jim Shooter was EiC for both Marvel and Valiant. That doesn't really make those two companies very related.

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[ManofTheAtom]

Once again, you are discussing the fictional narrative. I am discussing the poor business decisions DMG made that people here levied against Alien even before they published their first comic.

Just because Alien's comics continue the narrative threads begun at DMG it does not mean that Alien and DMG are the same company and that Alien is liable for DMG's screw ups.

No, I'm discussing the entire package. Writing, art, presentation, cover(s), promotion, etc. Everything that is under the direction of the Editor in Chief (or Senior Editor).

These are all very similar to DMG, to my eyes. Granted I haven't read nearly all of them. Enough for me to form an opinion though. They read very similar to a DMG era comic, with probably worse art, but more cohesion to the stories. But just more cohesion doesn't make for automatically better stories unfortunately.

That doesn't make the same company. They are two entirely separate corporate entities.

Shooter worked at VALIANT, Defiant, and Broadway, and much of what he did at all three was the same thing. That didn't make them the same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

Also, the argument about someone working both places is a little off. Jim Shooter was EiC for both Marvel and Valiant. That doesn't really make those two companies very related.

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I get where Ryan is coming from in terms of the creative and production similarities and narrative threads, but I keep losing him on the issue of whether or not that makes them the same company and can't make him see that they're not, I don't understand why.

He keeps focusing on the fiction where I'm talking about the corporate structure, and the fact that the *SQUEE* ups at DMG people keep blaming Alien for, particularly re: the Kickstarter, have nothing to do with the latter.

[syzhang28]

Also, the argument about someone working both places is a little off. Jim Shooter was EiC for both Marvel and Valiant. That doesn't really make those two companies very related.

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I get where Ryan is coming from in terms of the creative and production similarities and narrative threads, but I keep losing him on the issue of whether or not that makes them the same company and can't make him see that they're not, I don't understand why.

He keeps focusing on the fiction where I'm talking about the corporate structure, and the fact that the *SQUEE* ups at DMG people keep blaming Alien for, particularly re: the Kickstarter, have nothing to do with the latter.

lol what an epic self own this post is for MOTA

[syzhang28]

It has to do with the conversation taking place in this thread starting with the derailment when you accused me of shilling for Alien and the idiot I blocked told me I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Ok so the reason you post all their press releases here and defend them against any criticism is because people were mad about the late kickstarter over a year ago. Now can we get to the comics discussion?

No, I post those to keep people here appraised of what is happening with VALIANT. I also post them on the Facebook VALIANT Fans group page and the conversation there has never been derailed the way it was here.

There we actually do discuss the comics because we don't waste time arguing whether or not DMG and Alien are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG's *SQUEE* ups for decisions made before Alien came into the picture like we do here.

Once the discussion claiming that Alien is the same as DMG ends, then we can move on to discussing the comics.

How do you discuss the comics without reading them?

Is this a riddle?

Is the answer “shilling”?

I love this his answer to being accused of shilling is to double down on the shilling as proof that he is not shilling.

[Ryan]

I get where Ryan is coming from in terms of the creative and production similarities and narrative threads, but I keep losing him on the issue of whether or not that makes them the same company and can't make him see that they're not, I don't understand why.

He keeps focusing on the fiction where I'm talking about the corporate structure, and the fact that the *SQUEE* ups at DMG people keep blaming Alien for, particularly re: the Kickstarter, have nothing to do with the latter.

I've never said 'they're the same company'. I've said the comics are very similar. It's not a night and day difference like you're suggesting by saying they have absolutely no relation to each other. Which you would know if you read a single comic book by them.

Also, the argument about someone working both places is a little off. Jim Shooter was EiC for both Marvel and Valiant. That doesn't really make those two companies very related.

Completely disagree. If you read a Marvel, Valiant, New Universe, and Broadway comic book all from when Shooter was EiC at those companies you will see a ton of similarities in the way that the stories are produced and presented.

Then compare those to a 90's Image comic, a 2000s Bendis comic, and a modern comic. The contrast is quite stark if you look closely at the details.

The EiC (or Senior Editor) has a huge influence in every aspect of how the comics are conceived, created, and presented. Especially at a small company like Valiant that is only producing 3-5 comics per month.

To act like the Senior Editor of DMG Valiant becoming the EiC of Alien Valiant is just 'hiring one of the employees' with no real impact is either willful ignorance or a total misunderstanding of how comics are produced.