Valiant vs. Shooter - COURT DOCUMENT

sckao · Post by **sckao** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:50 pm

It's pretty clear from the complaint that even if Jim's other company were involved, that work could also not interfere or compete with VEI. That's not a loophole.

In my opinion, it looks pretty bad for Mr. Shooter.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:01 pm

I haven't read all of this thread, but is there a chance that this could mung things up for the new DH books?

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:02 pm

400yrs wrote:I haven't read all of this thread, but is there a chance that this could mung things up for the new DH books?

No.

sckao · Post by **sckao** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:11 pm

400yrs wrote:I haven't read all of this thread, but is there a chance that this could mung things up for the new DH books?

Well, yes. There is a considerable chance that you will never see Jim Shooter work again on a Gold Key character for Dark Horse. (Or on a Valiant character for VEI for that matter)

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:18 pm

Well, I'm pretty *SQUEE* sick of all this. I'll continue to support the companies that put out books that I like and I'll continue to not give a *SQUEE* about the company who always ends with their dong in their hand with nothing happening.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:50 pm

sckao wrote:
400yrs wrote:I haven't read all of this thread, but is there a chance that this could mung things up for the new DH books?
Well, yes. There is a considerable chance that you will never see Jim Shooter work again on a Gold Key character for Dark Horse. (Or on a Valiant character for VEI for that matter)

Yep.

The lawsuit not only asks for over million dollars in damages from Shooter but the Second Cause of Action in the lawsuit (pages 22 and 23) asks the court for a "permanently enjoining and restraining" of Shooter from working on the Gold Key characters with Dark Horse or any other "competitor" of VEI.

Hopefully the judge will strike this down immediately but if not Dark Horse's Gold Key comics by Shooter will be a no-go.

Anyone else having flashbacks to the VEI vs. VIP suit?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:10 pm

Todd Luck wrote: Anyone else having flashbacks to the VEI vs. VIP suit?

If by that, you mean it's probably going to be a long time before we see any comics, then yes.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:42 pm

Todd Luck wrote: The lawsuit not only asks for over million dollars in damages from Shooter but the Second Cause of Action in the lawsuit (pages 22 and 23) asks the court for a "permanently enjoining and restraining" of Shooter from working on the Gold Key characters with Dark Horse or any other "competitor" of VEI.

Hopefully the judge will strike this down immediately but if not Dark Horse's Gold Key comics by Shooter will be a no-go.

So? DH should hire Paul Creddick to be their EIC.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:50 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Todd Luck wrote: Anyone else having flashbacks to the VEI vs. VIP suit?
If by that, you mean it's probably going to be a long time before we see any comics, then yes.

I was thinking about Valiant fans getting f-ed over when one company legally prevents another from putting out comics we've been waiting for for years.

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:41 am

dave wrote:Who are you? Matlock???

I was going for Columbo, but Matlock works too!

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:16 pm

Heath wrote:
dave wrote:Who are you? Matlock???
I was going for Columbo, but Matlock works too!

You should thank me...after typing it I considered revising it as Jessica Fletcher!

jdmoonie77 · Post by **jdmoonie77** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:25 pm

I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:39 pm

jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

sweet, thanks for the update.

SolarGod · Post by **SolarGod** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:50 pm

jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

Crow331 · Post by **Crow331** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:16 am

jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

Thanks for the update, I hope it works out

but who is writing Mighty Samson??

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:16 am

Thanks for the update, jdmoonie77. That's great news.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 am

Another thing is to consider is this: Jim Shooter's reputation (or if you will his legend). For every Dave Lapham and JayJay Jackson that supports Shooter there are an equal number other creators that don't like him and some even hate him, and those creators who haven't worked with him and heard stories about what a tyrant he is and bad Marvel was when EIC, and how he failed 3 times to run a comic company after that. Plus Shooter hasn't done much to help matters when he quit The Legion of Superheroes he reported said that DC editors didn't like him because he complained too loudly.

There are of course a number of fans and creators that love him and his work but truthfully I don't think Jim Shooter attracts a lot of high-quality talent that a company like VEI would need to sell their books.

Now Dark Horse on the other hand has established a solid reputation with a number of high-quality creators and those people might be willing to work for Dark Horse just as long as they don't feel that they're NOT working for or under Jim Shooter.

So in other words for VEI to get creators that feel could help sell their comics, Shooter as EiC could be more of a hindrance than a help.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:27 am

jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

im glad these are still going ahead

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:14 am

jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.

haha....

So awesome.

Hearing that kind of update makes me wanna dance like this:

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Especially the foward jump move at the 48 second mark.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:22 am

So, I was reading some Pre-Unity Magnus the other day; I read the editorial that Jim Shooter did in like, Magnus 13 or 14...anyways, he's talking about all the negative stuff that happened to him at Marvel, and how Steve Masarsky was "different" with Valiant and how he was serious about Jim Shooter's desire to make the "right" comic company.

Just sad how Valiant turned out...and now this VEI lawsuit. WHY does business have to be so damned dirty? I mean, if Valiant had ridden the wave in the 90's, and allowed Jim to remain with the company and accomplish all he wanted, Valiant would still be here...Massarsky would have made his money ANYWAY...the Valiant books would still be as valuable...I dunno. I know i've ranted about this before...it's just irritating.

Why is it that Jim Shooter has been dumped on over and over through the years? I just wish that things would turn around for him so that he could get "the last laugh," y'know?

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:30 am

The economy is suffering, the dollar is dangerously close to being worth less than Monopoly money (thanks to the big spending idiots in Washington), and now news that all things VALIANT are involved in another lawsuit. Thank God for family, friends, and NFL Sunday Ticket.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:40 pm

robb77 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.
im glad these are still going ahead

I just have to wonder if this is wishful thinking on the part of Dark Horse.

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:10 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
robb77 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.
im glad these are still going ahead
I just have to wonder if this is wishful thinking on the part of Dark Horse.

Until a cease and desist order comes down for DH, it is business as usual I would imagine. Then it would be up to DH to get an injunction against the Cease and Desist Order...and so on...FOOOK these lawyers are going to make a fortune!!!

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:27 pm

Second_Death wrote:The economy is suffering, the dollar is dangerously close to being worth less than Monopoly money (thanks to the big spending idiots in Washington), and now news that all things VALIANT are involved in another lawsuit. Thank God for family, friends, and NFL Sunday Ticket.

HELL YES!!!

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:32 pm

SnotDrip wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
robb77 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I WAS AT BALTIMORE CON ON SATURDAY. tHE FOLKS AT DARK HORSE WERE SET UP THERE THIS PAST SATURDAY/SUNDAY. i ASKED IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE GK BOOKS WERE COMING OUT. I WAS TOLD THE BOOKS WERE COMING OUT AS SCHEDULED SUMMER OF 2010 PERIOD!!!!! JIM SHOOTER WILL WRITE SOLAR, MAGNUS AND TUROK WHICH WILL BE THEIR INITIAL OFFERING. DH WAS ADAMANT THAT ONLY SHOOTER WILL WRITE THESE TITLES, NO ARTISTS WERE SET WHEN I ASKED.
im glad these are still going ahead
I just have to wonder if this is wishful thinking on the part of Dark Horse.
Until a cease and desist order comes down for DH, it is business as usual I would imagine. Then it would be up to DH to get an injunction against the Cease and Desist Order...and so on...FOOOK these lawyers are going to make a fortune!!!

I read the Marvel lawsuit book last year and there was many references to how much the legal guys were rolling in from the length of the case.

Hopfully this will blow over rather quickly and we can all get back to our similar fantasies about new Valiant books.