Rise of Lydia - discussion

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Mon May 26, 2008 7:44 am

on a side note, I jumped onto the Valiant bandwagon late in the game. I think A&A #9 was the first book I bought off of the shelf, the rest of my collection pre has all been backissues. So Besides my copy of X0 #1 and of course the obligatory #0, I had not read the rest of the story and it was some good stuff, its been awhile since I laughed at a book because it was unpredictable.

Lydia's inconsistencies aside, (man there are some fanboys in here, it was an editorial/artist mistake. let it go) the writing of these early Valiants is certainly fun but I think rose colored glasses are used quite a bit when we place these books on a pedestal. The writing is a bit dated and certainly not pulitzer prize winning. With so many great writers in the comics field these days, I believe the new ownership is better served to avoid the big names and search out young talent out there. Fresh ideas and a new direction.

Valiant can be revamped and truly feel like these stories could be happening right outside our door.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:34 pm

The x-o hc was awesome

I finally had time to read it.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:16 am

MProyas wrote:Lydia's inconsistencies aside, (man there are some fanboys in here, it was an editorial/artist mistake. let it go).

What "mistake"? Didn't you read the editor's response, stating it was deliberate?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:03 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Lydia's many looks, chronologically speaking PLUS a second unnamed bioengineered female Spider-Alien from HARDCorps #6.

I certainly don't see the resemblance between the Lydia in X-O, Shadowman and, especially, Solar.

Just checked

Shakespeare killed that Spider Alien woman in HARD Corps #7, so she couldn't have been the one from Solar.

The one from Solar was Lydia

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:14 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:Just checked

Shakespeare killed that Spider Alien woman in HARD Corps #7, so she couldn't have been the one from Solar.

The one from Solar was Lydia

I'm not disagreeing, but you are aware that Solar #16 would have been printed before HARD Corps #7, right?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:17 am

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Just checked

Shakespeare killed that Spider Alien woman in HARD Corps #7, so she couldn't have been the one from Solar.

The one from Solar was Lydia
I'm not disagreeing, but you are aware that Solar #16 would have been printed before HARD Corps #7, right?

If Solar #16 was printed before HARD Corps #7, then the suggestion that the alien in the cell was the woman from HARD Corps #7 doesn't make sense.

HARD Corps #5, 6, and 7 make up one single arc.

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:19 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Just checked

Shakespeare killed that Spider Alien woman in HARD Corps #7, so she couldn't have been the one from Solar.

The one from Solar was Lydia
I'm not disagreeing, but you are aware that Solar #16 would have been printed before HARD Corps #7, right?
If Solar #16 was printed before HARD Corps #7, then the suggestion that the alien in the cell was the woman from HARD Corps #7 doesn't make sense.

HARD Corps #5, 6, and 7 make up one single arc.

I'm just saying that Solar #16 came first.
If Solar #16 was Lydia, and she died, then that's the end,
and it's not her in the HARDCorps arc.

But if you think it's her in the HARDCorps arc, then you've got to do something
about the Solar #16 story that came first.

Honestly, I doubt if I've read the HARDCorps books. Silly post-Unity commons.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:20 am

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Just checked

Shakespeare killed that Spider Alien woman in HARD Corps #7, so she couldn't have been the one from Solar.

The one from Solar was Lydia
I'm not disagreeing, but you are aware that Solar #16 would have been printed before HARD Corps #7, right?
If Solar #16 was printed before HARD Corps #7, then the suggestion that the alien in the cell was the woman from HARD Corps #7 doesn't make sense.

HARD Corps #5, 6, and 7 make up one single arc.
I'm just saying that Solar #16 came first.
If Solar #16 was Lydia, and she died, then that's the end,
and it's not her in the HARDCorps arc.

But if you think it's her in the HARDCorps arc, then you've got to do something
about the Solar #16 story that came first.

Honestly, I doubt if I've read the HARDCorps books. Silly post-Unity commons.

Ah, so your posts are for BOH, not me, since he's the one that suggested that

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:21 am

I don't know... I thought someone was saying that the HARDCorps books came first,
but since that's not the case, then I'm not posting anything.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:25 am

greg wrote:I don't know... I thought someone was saying that the HARDCorps books came first,
but since that's not the case, then I'm not posting anything.

I don't think that was the suggestion.

I think that BOH was proposing that Lydia was not the only Spider Alien that looked human, and was suggesting that it was possible for the woman in HARD Corps to be the woman in Solar.

I don't think BOH recalled that 1) Solar 16 came first and 2) the woman died in HARD Corps 7

It makes no difference, really.

Had I noticed, I could have said that Solar 16 came out first just like I said that Shakespeare killed her. It really doesn't make much difference because no matter which reason one notices it, the conclusion is the same, that the woman in the cell and the woman in HARD Corps are not the same person, like BOH was suggesting, which makes it clear that the woman is Lydia.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:01 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Ah, so your posts are for BOH, not me, since he's the one that suggested that

No. What I showed was that YOU said the female spider alien in SOLAR looked like Lydia. She looked like a female spider-alien, period. Similar to the one in HARDCorps, but not the same person.

But Magnusr explained that Lydia's identity was only revealed in a "Did you know" posting in the back of one of the books.

I never confused the 2. I never accused the 2 of being the same being. I just showed that Lydia was far from instantly recognizable, as that tidbit had to be revealed in the same manner, "There are no wild penguins in the VALIANT universe" had to be revealed.

Done with this now. But don't want anyone misconstruing what I meant to say, unless *i'm* the one misconstruing!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:04 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I just showed that Lydia was far from instantly recognizable, as that tidbit had to be revealed in the same manner, "There are no wild penguins in the VALIANT universe" had to be revealed.

Not at all.

I didn't need to the tidbit to recognize it, I recognized it when I read the comic because she's clearly Lydia with the clothes she had in XO but the body she had in Shadowman.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:07 pm

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:07 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:

If you keep doing that, your face will freeze like that (or however the expression goes).

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:37 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:If you keep doing that, your face will freeze like that (or however the expression goes).

Heh. Close enough.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:18 pm

You're wrong. Hey! Are you listening?

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:07 am

I finally picked mine up and read it. The bonus story and the new coloring were much better with this book. I found the Harbinger colors distracting so was pleased thaty the X-O was much improved.

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:49 am

Nobody else read this HC from the eyes of a new reader and wondered why the #0 issue is at the end of the collection?

To the uninitiated, this just seems like poor production to bring in new readers.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:53 am

MProyas wrote:Nobody else read this HC from the eyes of a new reader and wondered why the #0 issue is at the end of the collection?

To the uninitiated, this just seems like poor production to bring in new readers.

Not really.

The problem with putting the zero issue first is that where it ends is not where #1 begins, which is with Aric escaping. 0 ends with him already out of the ship.

If they put it in first, then the story would repeat itself with the reenacment of the scene of Aric's adquisition of the XO and his escape.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm

waste of money hopefullt the new valiant series has a continuity

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:05 pm

I liked the new story and a little more insight of the spider aliens

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:40 am

I swear one day, I will actually get to ordering one of these HC's.........

-slym