Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[ManofTheAtom]

dude, they threw all that away, defiled it or ignored it. Reading it all is not going to give you a clear progression of character or plot. They didn't build that. They stumbled around making poor choices and now we're here. You 100% can pick up a comic. Frankly, even if they did do all that, you should be able to just pick up a comic and read, if that comic is good.

You should at least read this one, because it's spot on and very relevant to the discussion.

I have no interest in reading or addressing what that guy says anymore. I'm fed up with his *SQUEE* and put him on ignore.

[ManofTheAtom]

Again, criticism of the comics is not personal criticism of the people involved.

The fans on this board have every right to have critical opinions and standards for the comics they buy. The fans are the ones have invested the time, money, and interest to keep these characters alive enough that there are actual paying jobs for the people at Alien.

Just like when someone goes to see a movie, they have every right to have an opinion if it was worth their 2 hours and $15. That's the entertainment business.

What happened in the months leading to Alien's launch was people *SQUEE* to them over DMG's *SQUEE* ups.

What's happened over the last two days is people refusing to accept the reality that Alien and DMG are two different companies.

It is impossible to have any sort of rational discussion when time is wasted arguing over facts that are easily verifiable.

Alien is not responsible for DMG's *SQUEE* ups, and Alien and DMG are not the same companies, yet time is wasted arguing that they are.

[ManofTheAtom]

This was a thread about the events taking place in Resurgence that devolved into a pointless argument for no reason other than certain people's stubborn refusal to accept one simple and undeniable fact, that Alien Books and DMG are two ENTIRELY separate companies.

Arguing that editorial problems that began at DMG carry over to Alien because of their hiring an editor that worked at the former company is an ENTIRELY separate discussion that can not be had until the first one ends.

For all you know, Alien hiring Hawkins satisfies the condition that DMG have a say in what content Alien publishes. Do you know of ANYONE else at DMG that has to approve the content Alien publishes?

It's not going to be a nameless figure in a black trenchcoat. Such a person has a name and it shouldn't be difficult to figure out who they are if it is someone other than Hawkins.

[Ryan]

Again, criticism of the comics is not personal criticism of the people involved.

The fans on this board have every right to have critical opinions and standards for the comics they buy. The fans are the ones have invested the time, money, and interest to keep these characters alive enough that there are actual paying jobs for the people at Alien.

Just like when someone goes to see a movie, they have every right to have an opinion if it was worth their 2 hours and $15. That's the entertainment business.

What happened in the months leading to Alien's launch was people *SQUEE* to them over DMG's *SQUEE* ups.

What's happened over the last two days is people refusing to accept the reality that Alien and DMG are two different companies.

It is impossible to have any sort of rational discussion when time is wasted arguing over facts that are easily verifiable.

Alien is not responsible for DMG's *SQUEE* ups, and Alien and DMG are not the same companies, yet time is wasted arguing that they are.

I don't see that as being what the discussion is about. Now that Alien has already put out 20+ comics, the discussion is about those comics and what people think about the direction of Valiant, specifically in this thread dealing with the first plot reveal from Resurgence.

[ManofTheAtom]

Again, criticism of the comics is not personal criticism of the people involved.

The fans on this board have every right to have critical opinions and standards for the comics they buy. The fans are the ones have invested the time, money, and interest to keep these characters alive enough that there are actual paying jobs for the people at Alien.

Just like when someone goes to see a movie, they have every right to have an opinion if it was worth their 2 hours and $15. That's the entertainment business.

What happened in the months leading to Alien's launch was people *SQUEE* to them over DMG's *SQUEE* ups.

What's happened over the last two days is people refusing to accept the reality that Alien and DMG are two different companies.

It is impossible to have any sort of rational discussion when time is wasted arguing over facts that are easily verifiable.

Alien is not responsible for DMG's *SQUEE* ups, and Alien and DMG are not the same companies, yet time is wasted arguing that they are.

I don't see that as being what the discussion is about. Now that Alien has already put out 20+ comics, the discussion is about those comics and what people think about the direction of Valiant, specifically in this thread dealing with the first plot reveal from Resurgence.

The discussion in this thread changed from discussing the events of Resurgence to you accusing me of shilling for Alien and people's refusal to accept the undeniable fact that Alien and DMG are two different companies.

For months prior to Alien's launch, people here shat on them for DMG's *SQUEE* up with the Kickstarter and the comics they published long before Alien acquired the license to produce VALIANT comics.

[Ryan]

This was a thread about the events taking place in Resurgence that devolved into a pointless argument for no reason other than certain people's stubborn refusal to accept one simple and undeniable fact, that Alien Books and DMG are two ENTIRELY separate companies.

Arguing that editorial problems that began at DMG carry over to Alien because of their hiring an editor that worked at the former company is an ENTIRELY separate discussion that can not be had until the first one ends.

For all you know, Alien hiring Hawkins satisfies the condition that DMG have a say in what content Alien publishes. Do you know of ANYONE else at DMG that has to approve the content Alien publishes?

It's not going to be a nameless figure in a black trenchcoat. Such a person has a name and it shouldn't be difficult to figure out who they are if it is someone other than Hawkins.

Who do you think owns the Valiant characters?

[ManofTheAtom]

This was a thread about the events taking place in Resurgence that devolved into a pointless argument for no reason other than certain people's stubborn refusal to accept one simple and undeniable fact, that Alien Books and DMG are two ENTIRELY separate companies.

Arguing that editorial problems that began at DMG carry over to Alien because of their hiring an editor that worked at the former company is an ENTIRELY separate discussion that can not be had until the first one ends.

For all you know, Alien hiring Hawkins satisfies the condition that DMG have a say in what content Alien publishes. Do you know of ANYONE else at DMG that has to approve the content Alien publishes?

It's not going to be a nameless figure in a black trenchcoat. Such a person has a name and it shouldn't be difficult to figure out who they are if it is someone other than Hawkins.

Who do you think owns the Valiant characters?

Who owns the VALIANT characters has ZERO baring on Alien Books being an entirely separate company from DMG.

Alien licenses the characters from DMG. DMG did not purchase Alien.

IDW licenses Star Trek from Paramount. That doesn't mean that Paramount owns IDW or that they are the same company.

[Ryan]

This was a thread about the events taking place in Resurgence that devolved into a pointless argument for no reason other than certain people's stubborn refusal to accept one simple and undeniable fact, that Alien Books and DMG are two ENTIRELY separate companies.

Arguing that editorial problems that began at DMG carry over to Alien because of their hiring an editor that worked at the former company is an ENTIRELY separate discussion that can not be had until the first one ends.

For all you know, Alien hiring Hawkins satisfies the condition that DMG have a say in what content Alien publishes. Do you know of ANYONE else at DMG that has to approve the content Alien publishes?

It's not going to be a nameless figure in a black trenchcoat. Such a person has a name and it shouldn't be difficult to figure out who they are if it is someone other than Hawkins.

Who do you think owns the Valiant characters?

Who owns the VALIANT characters has ZERO baring on Alien Books being an entirely separate company from DMG.

Alien licenses the characters from DMG. DMG did not purchase Alien.

IDW licenses Star Trek from Paramount. That doesn't mean that Paramount owns IDW or that they are the same company.

So your theory is that DMG has nothing to do with Valiant comics?

[ManofTheAtom]

This was a thread about the events taking place in Resurgence that devolved into a pointless argument for no reason other than certain people's stubborn refusal to accept one simple and undeniable fact, that Alien Books and DMG are two ENTIRELY separate companies.

Arguing that editorial problems that began at DMG carry over to Alien because of their hiring an editor that worked at the former company is an ENTIRELY separate discussion that can not be had until the first one ends.

For all you know, Alien hiring Hawkins satisfies the condition that DMG have a say in what content Alien publishes. Do you know of ANYONE else at DMG that has to approve the content Alien publishes?

It's not going to be a nameless figure in a black trenchcoat. Such a person has a name and it shouldn't be difficult to figure out who they are if it is someone other than Hawkins.

Who do you think owns the Valiant characters?

Who owns the VALIANT characters has ZERO baring on Alien Books being an entirely separate company from DMG.

Alien licenses the characters from DMG. DMG did not purchase Alien.

IDW licenses Star Trek from Paramount. That doesn't mean that Paramount owns IDW or that they are the same company.

So your theory is that DMG has nothing to do with Valiant comics?

I never once said that. I literally just posited that Hawkins' hiring could satisfy any conditions that DMG approve the content Alien publishes.

What we're still wasting time debating is the delusional argument that Alien and DMG are the same company.

Just because Alien publishes VALIANT comics they licensed from DMG it does not mean that DMG owns them or that they are the same company, or that Alien is responsible for whatever *SQUEE* ups DMG may have committed prior to Alien acquiring said license.

[Ryan]

I never once said that. I literally just posited that Hawkins' hiring could satisfy any conditions that DMG approve the content Alien publishes.

What we're still wasting time debating is the delusional argument that Alien and DMG are the same company.

Just because Alien publishes VALIANT comics they licensed from DMG it does not mean that DMG owns them or that they are the same company, or that Alien is responsible for whatever *SQUEE* ups DMG may have committed prior to Alien acquiring said license.

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company. So in your opinion, what has changed about the comics since Alien took over the publishing from DMG?

[ManofTheAtom]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read?

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

[ManofTheAtom]

As stated previously, Hawkins moving over from DMG to Alien and continuing the narrative threads begun there is an entirely SEPARATE discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are two different companies.

[Ryan]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

[ManofTheAtom]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

That is exactly what you are saying.

The only thing that connects the two is that one publishes comics using IP licensed from the other. That does not make them the same.

IDW is not the same as Paramount just because they publish Star Trek comics.

[Ryan]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

That is exactly what you are saying.

The only thing that connects the two is that one publishes comics using IP licensed from the other. That does not make them the same.

IDW is not the same as Paramount just because they publish Star Trek comics.

No those are 2 separate statements with 2 different meanings. "they are not completely separate entities" vs. "they are the same company".

[Ryan]

All this just to avoid talking about the comics is weird man. And tiresome.

[ManofTheAtom]

All this just to avoid talking about the comics is weird man. And tiresome.

I'm not avoiding anything. I remain hopeful that the conversation can continue. All it takes is others here accepting the reality that Alien and DMG are not the same company and that Alien is not to blame for DMG's *SQUEE* ups prior to them launching their line of VALIANT comics.

it should be easy, but here we are on day two or three of this pointless argument...

[ManofTheAtom]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

That is exactly what you are saying.

The only thing that connects the two is that one publishes comics using IP licensed from the other. That does not make them the same.

IDW is not the same as Paramount just because they publish Star Trek comics.

No those are 2 separate statements with 2 different meanings. "they are not completely separate entities" vs. "they are the same company".

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

[Ryan]

No one has said that DMG and Alien are the same company.

*SQUEE*.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

That is exactly what you are saying.

The only thing that connects the two is that one publishes comics using IP licensed from the other. That does not make them the same.

IDW is not the same as Paramount just because they publish Star Trek comics.

No those are 2 separate statements with 2 different meanings. "they are not completely separate entities" vs. "they are the same company".

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

My only proof is reading the comics and applying common sense. There, now you can get back to 'discussing the comics' that you've never read.

[ManofTheAtom]

*SQUEE*.

Yeah there's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. They aren't completely separate entities. That's not saying "DMG and Alien are the same company".

That is exactly what you are saying.

The only thing that connects the two is that one publishes comics using IP licensed from the other. That does not make them the same.

IDW is not the same as Paramount just because they publish Star Trek comics.

No those are 2 separate statements with 2 different meanings. "they are not completely separate entities" vs. "they are the same company".

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

My only proof is reading the comics and applying common sense. There, now you can get back to 'discussing the comics' that you've never read.

Where in the comics does it say that Alien and DMG are the same company?

[ManofTheAtom]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

[ManofTheAtom]

In a sure to be futile attempt to restore the original topic and move on from the unfounded belief that Alien Books is DMG in disguise, I would expect Flamingo's return to end badly as Silk's true plan is revealed.

[Ryan]

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

My only proof is reading the comics and applying common sense. There, now you can get back to 'discussing the comics' that you've never read.

Where in the comics does it say that Alien and DMG are the same company?

Since you seem to be having trouble with language comprehension, "they are not completely separate entities" means that they have a more significant relationship than just 'licensee and licensor'. It does not mean "they are the same company". No one has said that, no one thinks that.

But I know you're not interested in having a logical discussion. You're just going to intentionally misinterpret people so that you can make your point. *yawn*

[ManofTheAtom]

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

My only proof is reading the comics and applying common sense. There, now you can get back to 'discussing the comics' that you've never read.

Where in the comics does it say that Alien and DMG are the same company?

Since you seem to be having trouble with language comprehension, "they are not completely separate entities" means that they have a more significant relationship than just 'licensee and licensor'. It does not mean "they are the same company". No one has said that, no one thinks that.

But I know you're not interested in having a logical discussion. You're just going to intentionally misinterpret people so that you can make your point. *yawn*

They are completely separate entities. Alien publishes comics other than ones using IP they licensed from DMG in which DMG has no involvement or credit.

No one has ever or will ever say that IDW and Paramount are linked entities because the former publishes comics based on the latter's IP. It would be an irrational claim to make about them just like it is to make about Alien and DMG.

Do you think DMG pays Alien's taxes or that Alien pays DMG's taxes? Do you think DMG pays Alien's overhead? Do they pay for their employees' salaries?

Of course not, because they are two entirely separate companies, and are not linked in any way other than one licenses the other's IP, nothing more.

Anything else is an entirely separate discussion than whether or not they are the same company, which they're not.

[ManofTheAtom]

We're still wasting time arguing the same point over and over again for no discernable reason whatsoever.

Alien is not DMG in disguise. They are an entirely separate company that happened to license the VALIANT IP from DMG, period.

They are not responsible in the least for whatever screw ups or *SQUEE* ups DMG made with the VALIANT comics before they acquired the license to publish the comics they are doing right now, yet people seem adamant to blame them for it, which is nuts.

Whether or not they require any sort of approval from DMG for what they publish does not make them the same company or link them in any way anymore than IDW is not the same company as Paramount or linked to them just because they publish Star Trek comics.