Rise of Lydia - discussion

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:04 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.

I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:05 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.
I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:06 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.
I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.

Well, since pointed it out, I won't say anything....

Chris

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:07 pm

cjv wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.
I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.
Well, since pointed it ou, I won't say anything....

Chris

Me neither. Not saying anything... see, here I am... not saying anything. Check it out. Not gonna do it.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:23 pm

greg wrote:
cjv wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.
I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.
Well, since pointed it ou, I won't say anything....

Chris
Me neither. Not saying anything... see, here I am... not saying anything. Check it out. Not gonna do it.

Well, I'M not going to say that BOTH parts of that statement are wrong....

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:47 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
greg wrote:
cjv wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Spiders aren't animals, they're insects.
I'd like you to think long and hard about the accuracy of this statement.
Well, since pointed it ou, I won't say anything....

Chris
Me neither. Not saying anything... see, here I am... not saying anything. Check it out. Not gonna do it.
Well, I'M not going to say that BOTH parts of that statement are wrong....

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu May 08, 2008 6:51 am

Is the name "Lydia" mentioned in SOLAR:MOTA #16? I skimmed it and didn't see it there. Are some people assuming or am I a poor speed-reader? Or both?

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:06 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Is the name "Lydia" mentioned in SOLAR:MOTA #16? I skimmed it and didn't see it there. Are some people assuming or am I a poor speed-reader? Or both?

Or neither? It was mentioned in one of those "little known facts".

/Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 08, 2008 8:11 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Is the name "Lydia" mentioned in SOLAR:MOTA #16? I skimmed it and didn't see it there. Are some people assuming or am I a poor speed-reader? Or both?

The name doesn't need to be mentioned, all you need to do is look at her and see that she's Lydia.

Unless you're like Aram and see Solar but think Magnus, heh.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu May 08, 2008 9:06 am

There was a biologically engineered "female" spider alien in HARDCorps #6, I think, who looked human but who couldn't have been Lydia, based on chronology and publication history.

I'll accept the "little known fact," but NOT "cuz she looked human-ish," only because apparently Lydia wasn't the only one?

And a big "THANK YOU" to Magnus for providing the answer in his usual tactful, classy way.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 08, 2008 10:55 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:There was a biologically engineered "female" spider alien in HARDCorps #6, I think, who looked human but who couldn't have been Lydia, based on chronology and publication history.

I'll accept the "little known fact," but NOT "cuz she looked human-ish," only because apparently Lydia wasn't the only one?

And a big "THANK YOU" to Magnus for providing the answer in his usual tactful, classy way.

You misunderstood.

She didn't look humanish, she looked like Lydia. She was wearing her clothes and head and hair, etc, etc. It was Lydia.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu May 08, 2008 12:52 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:There was a biologically engineered "female" spider alien in HARDCorps #6, I think, who looked human but who couldn't have been Lydia, based on chronology and publication history.

I'll accept the "little known fact," but NOT "cuz she looked human-ish," only because apparently Lydia wasn't the only one?

And a big "THANK YOU" to Magnus for providing the answer in his usual tactful, classy way.
You misunderstood.

She didn't look humanish, she looked like Lydia. She was wearing her clothes and head and hair, etc, etc. It was Lydia.

And Jimmy Olsen was in.......Never mind.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 5:04 am

Lydia's many looks, chronologically speaking PLUS a second unnamed bioengineered female Spider-Alien from HARDCorps #6.

I certainly don't see the resemblance between the Lydia in X-O, Shadowman and, especially, Solar.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 5:06 am

I do find it fascinating that when Lydia apparently had ribs, revealed in her final appearance (from SOLAR #16). It seems a superfluous bit o' bioengineering, especially given her carapace in X-O #2:

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:01 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I do find it fascinating that when Lydia apparently had ribs, revealed in her final appearance (from SOLAR #16). It seems a superfluous bit o' bioengineering, especially given her carapace in X-O #2:

The timeline goes X-O (published MAR / 1992), Shadowman (MAY / 1992), and Solar (DEC / 1992).

Clearly Aric didn't kill Lydia, she survived and went on to seduce Jack, then Toyo captured her. She has ribs because by then she was more human, as seen in Shadowman.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:17 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:The timeline goes X-O (published MAR / 1992), Shadowman (MAY / 1992), and Solar (DEC / 1992).

Yes, I know. I referenced them all in my pic, above.

Clearly Aric didn't kill Lydia

Clearly. Who ever said he did?

she survived and went on to seduce Jack, then Toyo captured her. She has ribs because by then she was more human, as seen in Shadowman.

She looked almost fully human in "The Rise of Lydia." (I know you most likely haven't received your copy yet, but she did)

Then she "devolved" more into Spider Alien form. Then in Shadowman, she looks almost fully human again.

I just pointed out how she changed and how, in SOLAR #16, she looks little (or nothing) like the Lydia we saw in X-O #2.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:24 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:The timeline goes X-O (published MAR / 1992), Shadowman (MAY / 1992), and Solar (DEC / 1992).
Yes, I know. I referenced them all in my pic, above.

Clearly Aric didn't kill Lydia
Clearly. Who ever said he did?

she survived and went on to seduce Jack, then Toyo captured her. She has ribs because by then she was more human, as seen in Shadowman.
She looked almost fully human in "The Rise of Lydia." (I know you most likely haven't received your copy yet, but she did)

Then she "devolved" more into Spider Alien form. Then in Shadowman, she looks almost fully human again.

I just pointed out how she changed and how, in SOLAR #16, she looks little (or nothing) like the Lydia we saw in X-O #2.

She shouldn't look exacty like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:58 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:What did she look like in her final appearance, MOTA?
Tasty... at least to the Spider Alien that ate her.

She looked like she did in X-O Manowar

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:00 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:What did she look like in her final appearance, MOTA?
Tasty... at least to the Spider Alien that ate her.

She looked like she did in X-O Manowar

I didn't mean the spider form.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:38 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:She looked almost fully human in "The Rise of Lydia." (I know you most likely haven't received your copy yet, but she did)

Then she "devolved" more into Spider Alien form. Then in Shadowman, she looks almost fully human again.

I just pointed out how she changed and how, in SOLAR #16, she looks little (or nothing) like the Lydia we saw in X-O #2.
She shouldn't look exacty like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:40 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:She looked almost fully human in "The Rise of Lydia." (I know you most likely haven't received your copy yet, but she did)

Then she "devolved" more into Spider Alien form. Then in Shadowman, she looks almost fully human again.

I just pointed out how she changed and how, in SOLAR #16, she looks little (or nothing) like the Lydia we saw in X-O #2.
She shouldn't look exacty like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human.

And she shouldn't look exactly like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human. Why would she go back to being arachnid again?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:54 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:And she shouldn't look exactly like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human. Why would she go back to being arachnid again?

One more time:

Pre-X-O #1: Looks human
X-O #1: Looks less human
X-O #2: Reveals arachnid form ("go[es] back to being arachnid again")
SM #1: Looks human again

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:04 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:And she shouldn't look exactly like she did in XO since by the time of Shadowman she had become more human. Why would she go back to being arachnid again?
One more time:

Pre-X-O #1: Looks human
X-O #1: Looks less human
X-O #2: Reveals arachnid form ("go[es] back to being arachnid again")
SM #1: Looks human again

And she looks human in Solar as well.

When I said that she looks like she did in XO I didn't mean that she was arachnid, I meant her overall look, but you've latched on to the arachnid apperance only.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:09 pm

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:Here's a question for continuity-experts...

How many fingers does Lydia have on each hand?
http://www.valiantentertainment.com/wik ... :Lydia.jpg
Is that 4 or 5?

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yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:15 pm

greg wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
cjv wrote:Maybe changing back and forth requires concetration...and with a big barbarian about to chop your head off limits your ability to concentrate?

Chris
The process is surgical, not magical.
The initial process to turn a Spider Alien into a "human-looking thing"
probably involves some infusion of salt water, since humans are basically
made of salt water... and since Spider Aliens don't seem very watery.

After the process, you've got a creature that is known for having multiple limbs
which has undergone a salt-watery process.

What does that remind you of? If you said "starfish", you're right.

The starfish... as salt-watery as it gets...
a creature which can regrow lost limbs...
Spider Alien + Human Conversion = Starfish Power?

Sure, why not.

I was thinking along the lines of Taffy...