Shadowman's Future?

[Drift]

No no. The timeline inconsistencies are real. Rai #0 page 2 panel 3 sites them as fact so prove they were all fixed.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'd aknowledge U2K as an inconsistancy (same for the crossover with Iron Man), but the XO Bike and the dream are not big enough to be considered a result of Unity.

Why are they not considered big enough?

They happened but are inconsitant with the main timeline. So they were part of the broken timeline then?

See, if we take the dream at face value, then Unity never happened, and if Unity never happened, then the timestream can't be a mess because of it...

[Ryan]

I'd aknowledge U2K as an inconsistancy (same for the crossover with Iron Man), but the XO Bike and the dream are not big enough to be considered a result of Unity.

If we aknowledge U2K, then that's when Jack died, period.

So if you can acknowledge U2k as an inconsistancy, then it isn't too far of a stretch to acknowledge that there *MIGHT* be a possibility that the Shadowman who died in 99 wasn't Jack, whether through manipualtion of the records or whatever.

Personally I'm ok with Jack dieing, but I wouldn't want to hamper VEI's creativitiy by strictly enforcing what should and shouldn't happen before the books are even in production.

This is great fun, but I'm heading to Best But to look for the new Turok dvd. Happy day!

[ManofTheAtom]

No no. The timeline inconsistencies are real. Rai #0 page 2 panel 3 sites them as fact so prove they were all fixed.

The timeline PRIOR to those pages was a mess, the events that came after it were from the timeline after the Geomancers fixed it.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'd aknowledge U2K as an inconsistancy (same for the crossover with Iron Man), but the XO Bike and the dream are not big enough to be considered a result of Unity.

If we aknowledge U2K, then that's when Jack died, period.

So if you can acknowledge U2k as an inconsistancy, then it isn't too far of a stretch to acknowledge that there *MIGHT* be a possibility that the Shadowman who died in 99 wasn't Jack, whether through manipualtion of the records or whatever.

Personally I'm ok with Jack dieing, but I wouldn't want to hamper VEI's creativitiy by strictly enforcing what should and shouldn't happen before the books are even in production.

This is great fun, but I'm heading to Best But to look for the new Turok dvd. Happy day!

Eh, if we aknowledge U2K then Jack either died fighting VH 2 Darque or was killed a fat guy in glasses.

[Drift]

See, if we take the dream at face value, then Unity never happened, and if Unity never happened, then the timestream can't be a mess because of it...

and if the timestream isn't a mess because of it Rai #0 is wrong so you are wrong

[ManofTheAtom]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

[ManofTheAtom]

See, if we take the dream at face value, then Unity never happened, and if Unity never happened, then the timestream can't be a mess because of it...

and if the timestream isn't a mess because of it Rai #0 is wrong so you are wrong

Right, in a timeline without Unity, Rai #0 would be the mess instead of the fix, but since nothing after X-O #1 would have happened if X-O #68 were taken at face value, then this would be a moot point.

[jedimarley]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

Is it to hard for your small mind to grasp that the information on Mothergods computer would be far more sensitive then those that the general public would have access to???

[ManofTheAtom]

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

Is it to hard for your small mind to grasp that the information on Mothergods computer would be far more sensitive then those that the general public would have access to???

Elya is not the general public.

And the information she got was 80% accurate. So far you haven't given me any reason to believe that the remaining 20% would be wrong.

Greg was close with the BTTF analogy, but he let it slip from his grasp.

[jedimarley]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

Can you prove that the info that Geoff got came from the same computer that Elya got hers??

[Drift]

but if nothing happened and Rai #0 was wrong then there are inconsistencies because the timeline is broken by it not being broken. If it is not broken then it means that it is broken.

[ManofTheAtom]

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

Can you prove that the info that Geoff got came from the same computer that Elya got hers??

I already proved, more than once, that information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th Century was not wrong.

I've offered my evidence, and I'm waiting for yours.

[Drift]

And if nothing after X-O 1 happened then you are wrong

[greg]

Marty: Biff can't be my father... George McFly can't be dead.

Doc Brown: I'm afraid he is, here, in this reality. We'll have to go back and correct that.

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So, you see, when Jack Boniface heard from Elya that he would die in 1999,
he built a time machine out of a DeLorean... went 88MPH... and skipped over
1999 altogether to arrive safely in the year 2000... with Einstein, his pet goat.

You were so close to offering a compelling argument.

SO CLOSE, but acting like an *SQUEE* got the better of you.

Try again. You almost have it... it's right there for you to grab

I already offered it.

Rokland Tate told the story of the Valiant Universe from "Timeline A"...
SOMETHING could happen to make his timeline fade out,
and a new timeline takes its place... without anyone knowing it.

Jack Dominique Boniface DIED in 1999 in the timeline that Erica lived through...
Erica created the Unity conflict AFTER Jack had died.

Erica's database described a history that was ALTERED by the 1992 Valiant characters.

Those same 1992 Valiant characters were returned to their own time...
where everything had changed without their knowledge.
Jack believed he would die in 1999 because he had died in 1999.
Thanks to that knowledge, he took the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

Not every event was affected by Unity...
some happened exactly the same way the second time.
...but not all of them. This time, "Shadowman" died, Jack lived.

A stitch in time saves nine. Jack was only the first of those nine.

[ManofTheAtom]

but if nothing happened and Rai #0 was wrong then there are inconsistencies because the timeline is broken by it not being broken. If it is not broken then it means that it is broken.

If XO 68 is taken at face value, then nothing after X-0 #1 happened, there is no Rai #0.

[jedimarley]

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.

So you're saying that all other computers were wrong.

Can you prove it?

Can you prove that the info that Geoff got came from the same computer that Elya got hers??

I already proved, more than once, that information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th Century was not wrong.

I've offered my evidence, and I'm waiting for yours.

What evidence????

[Drift]

And if there is no Rai 0 you have no evidence

[jedimarley]

Marty: Biff can't be my father... George McFly can't be dead.

Doc Brown: I'm afraid he is, here, in this reality. We'll have to go back and correct that.

---------------------------------

So, you see, when Jack Boniface heard from Elya that he would die in 1999,
he built a time machine out of a DeLorean... went 88MPH... and skipped over
1999 altogether to arrive safely in the year 2000... with Einstein, his pet goat.

You were so close to offering a compelling argument.

SO CLOSE, but acting like an *SQUEE* got the better of you.

Try again. You almost have it... it's right there for you to grab

I already offered it.

Rokland Tate told the story of the Valiant Universe from "Timeline A"...
SOMETHING could happen to make his timeline fade out,
and a new timeline takes its place... without anyone knowing it.

Jack Dominique Boniface DIED in 1999 in the timeline that Erica lived through...
Erica created the Unity conflict AFTER Jack had died.

Erica's database described a history that was ALTERED by the 1992 Valiant characters.

Those same 1992 Valiant characters were returned to their own time...
where everything had changed without their knowledge.
Jack believed he would die in 1999 because he had died in 1999.
Thanks to that knowledge, he took the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

Not every event was affected by Unity...
some happened exactly the same way the second time.
...but not all of them. This time, "Shadowman" died, Jack lived.

A stitch in time saves nine. Jack was only the first of those nine.

Remember that Gilad 2 said to Gilad 1 that things are different this time around.

[ManofTheAtom]

I already offered it.

Rokland Tate told the story of the Valiant Universe from "Timeline A"...
SOMETHING could happen to make his timeline fade out,
and a new timeline takes its place... without anyone knowing it.

Jack Dominique Boniface DIED in 1999 in the timeline that Erica lived through...
Erica created the Unity conflict AFTER Jack had died.

Erica's database described a history that was ALTERED by the 1992 Valiant characters.

Those same 1992 Valiant characters were returned to their own time...
where everything had changed without their knowledge.
Jack believed he would die in 1999 because he had died in 1999.
Thanks to that knowledge, he took the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

Not every event was affected by Unity...
some happened exactly the same way the second time.
...but not all of them. This time, "Shadowman" died, Jack lived.

A stitch in time saves nine. Jack was only the first of those nine.

I'm gonna help you out since you're still lost.

Elya read records from, as you call it, Timeline A. Jack went back to a Timeline A broken by Unity, that when the Geomancers put together became Timeline B, which is what we saw in Rai #0.

So, Elya's records = Timeline A.

Rokkie's story = Timeline B.

[Drift]

I already proved, more than once, that information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th Century was not wrong.

Computers have to be programmed by people and people make mistakes and also lie so the information stored in the computer's memory could be wrong due to human error or lying.

[greg]

I already offered it.

Rokland Tate told the story of the Valiant Universe from "Timeline A"...
SOMETHING could happen to make his timeline fade out,
and a new timeline takes its place... without anyone knowing it.

Jack Dominique Boniface DIED in 1999 in the timeline that Erica lived through...
Erica created the Unity conflict AFTER Jack had died.

Erica's database described a history that was ALTERED by the 1992 Valiant characters.

Those same 1992 Valiant characters were returned to their own time...
where everything had changed without their knowledge.
Jack believed he would die in 1999 because he had died in 1999.
Thanks to that knowledge, he took the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

Not every event was affected by Unity...
some happened exactly the same way the second time.
...but not all of them. This time, "Shadowman" died, Jack lived.

A stitch in time saves nine. Jack was only the first of those nine.

I'm gonna help you out since you're still lost.

Elya read records from, as you call it, Timeline A. Jack went back to a Timeline A broken by Unity, that when the Geomancers put together became Timeline B, which is what we saw in Rai #0.

So, Elya's records = Timeline A.

Rokkie's story = Timeline B.

Timeline B does not mention Jack.

[ManofTheAtom]

I already proved, more than once, that information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th Century was not wrong.

Computers have to be programmed by people and people make mistakes and also lie so the information stored in the computer's memory could be wrong due to human error or lying.

Yet every instance of information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th was right.

Weird, ain't it?

[greg]

I already proved, more than once, that information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th Century was not wrong.

Computers have to be programmed by people and people make mistakes and also lie so the information stored in the computer's memory could be wrong due to human error or lying.

Yet every instance of information from the 41st Century about events in the 20th was right.

Weird, ain't it?

Not every butterfly kills the dinosaurs.

[ManofTheAtom]

I already offered it.

Rokland Tate told the story of the Valiant Universe from "Timeline A"...
SOMETHING could happen to make his timeline fade out,
and a new timeline takes its place... without anyone knowing it.

Jack Dominique Boniface DIED in 1999 in the timeline that Erica lived through...
Erica created the Unity conflict AFTER Jack had died.

Erica's database described a history that was ALTERED by the 1992 Valiant characters.

Those same 1992 Valiant characters were returned to their own time...
where everything had changed without their knowledge.
Jack believed he would die in 1999 because he had died in 1999.
Thanks to that knowledge, he took the right steps to prevent it from happening again.

Not every event was affected by Unity...
some happened exactly the same way the second time.
...but not all of them. This time, "Shadowman" died, Jack lived.

A stitch in time saves nine. Jack was only the first of those nine.

I'm gonna help you out since you're still lost.

Elya read records from, as you call it, Timeline A. Jack went back to a Timeline A broken by Unity, that when the Geomancers put together became Timeline B, which is what we saw in Rai #0.

So, Elya's records = Timeline A.

Rokkie's story = Timeline B.

Timeline B does not mention Jack.

It doesn't have to.

In Timeline A (aka Elya's records), Jack died in 99, in Timeline B (aka Rai #0) it was Shadowman, either because of Unity, Jack himself, or the Geomancers.