How much will Sony meddle on the creative level?

[Sven the Returned]

I am not against the creators being challenged but they overdone it with Spidey based in what i read and also mistreated the talent. I wonder what do we expect on that front.

[Joshua]

Probably a Bloodsquirt toy line with talking animals.

[lorddunlow]

I don't think the exact nature of their arrangement is known at this time. It could be a simple distribution agreement.

[paradise]

I don't think the exact nature of their arrangement is known at this time. It could be a simple distribution agreement.

It's pretty much that. Remember, Sony just distributes them in the US. (at least as far as I understand)

[betterthanezra]

I don't think the exact nature of their arrangement is known at this time. It could be a simple distribution agreement.

It's pretty much that. Remember, Sony just distributes them in the US. (at least as far as I understand)

This is a joint venture so who knows The right people are in place to make this awesome

-Brian

[drmirage]

They won't. Just for distribution.

[ilzuccone]

I don't think the exact nature of their arrangement is known at this time. It could be a simple distribution agreement.

It's pretty much that. Remember, Sony just distributes them in the US. (at least as far as I understand)

+1 this is what it is VEI has final say in every aspect of the process

-Brian

Probably not final say. Maybe final say by comity. they aren't the ones fronting all the money.

[Tim]

Here's hoping for a quasi-musical number like in Spider-man 3...... #pleasepleaseplease

[jmatt]

Here's hoping for a quasi-musical number like in Spider-man 3...... #pleasepleaseplease

Yeah, how painful was that?

[DIrishB]

I am not against the creators being challenged but they overdone it with Spidey based in what i read and also mistreated the talent. I wonder what do we expect on that front.

Depends. As others have said Sony may only be handling distribution, or they may have some say over the final product. However, if it is the latter case, perhaps the recent Sony/Marvel deal to share Spidey and have him show up as part of Marvel's massively popular MCU, and Sony is allowing Marvel some level of creative control (after how badly ASM2 was received by critics and fans alike, it's no surprise the Sony execs are taking a step back and leaning on Kevin Feige and Marvel to help do Spidey right).

Hopefully that indicates Sony has a willingness not only to hire the right talent, but to listen to that talent and show the same level of respect and love for the characters that Marvel shows in their films.

[jxm640]

Regarding this, the issue with their handling of Amazing Spiderman was Avi Arad, whom I believe has no role in producing or distributing the Valiant movies.

For my personal hope, I hope (if they are not just distributing the film) that they only offer suggestions and leave the final decisions to Dino, Matthew Vaughn and Neil Moritz.

[krylox]

last say / final cut is with sony. anything else would be massively suprising.

this may change for next bunch of films, now that the chinese are part of the deal and will be the final yay/naysayers.

the guys with the money are ALWAYS deciding, let's not be foolish to think something else. if they're clever they will give the creatives leeway, if not... you get something like the edgar wright thing.

[jxm640]

last say / final cut is with sony. anything else would be massively suprising.

this may change for next bunch of films, now that the chinese are part of the deal and will be the final yay/naysayers.

the guys with the money are ALWAYS deciding, let's not be foolish to think something else. if they're clever they will give the creatives leeway, if not... you get something like the edgar wright thing.

On that note, Edgar wright would be great for Archer & Armstrong.

[AnthonyF]

On that note, Edgar wright would be great for Archer & Armstrong.

Good call!

[BugsySig]

last say / final cut is with sony. anything else would be massively suprising.

this may change for next bunch of films, now that the chinese are part of the deal and will be the final yay/naysayers.

the guys with the money are ALWAYS deciding, let's not be foolish to think something else. if they're clever they will give the creatives leeway, if not... you get something like the edgar wright thing.

I'll second that. Anyone with a financial investment and profit at stake will have some creative control.

[Hasmot]

I think (I hope I am wrong) that the only thing Sony will push for on the creative level would be the PG-13 ratings. I do hope that I am speaking nonsense though. I cant wait for these movies to come out, but the PG-13, colorful, Marvel style is starting to get repetitive in my eyes and I am hoping that is something that is taken into consideration by Sony.

[Sven the Returned]

I cannot imagine a PG 13 Bloodshot.

[Shadowman99]

I cannot imagine a PG 13 Bloodshot.

No way, BS has to be at least '15' otherwise there won't be any 'no face' moments

"YoOoouur're...... my LeEaAsssht favorit...."

[Phoenix8008]

I think this is why one of the screenplay writers is someone who has done multiple horror films. He'll know how to push the limits and get as much of the Bloodshot gore out of a PG-13 movie if that's what they have to do. I'd love for it to be rated R to show it all how it should be, but that would limit it's audience so much I just don't know if it's worth it.

I just finished rereading Bloodshot, Harbinger, and Harbinger Wars over the last 2 days to get a feel for how the movies will flow, and it was awesome! But this R/PG-13 issue is gonna be tough. It SHOULD be R, obviously. But there's some stuff in Harbinger that is iffy that way to. And Harbinger Wars with the 'Harada Protocol' definately goes into the R zone as well. But is it worth it for them to shackle themselves with their first movies out of the gate like that? On the other hand, I could argue they should stay true to their original vision even if it means going R and limiting their viewing audience. Which is the right answer? Heck if I know. Maybe it depends on if they are going to try to market Valiant toys for kids or not.

[Sven the Returned]

I think this is why one of the screenplay writers is someone who has done multiple horror films. He'll know how to push the limits and get as much of the Bloodshot gore out of a PG-13 movie if that's what they have to do. I'd love for it to be rated R to show it all how it should be, but that would limit it's audience so much I just don't know if it's worth it.

I just finished rereading Bloodshot, Harbinger, and Harbinger Wars over the last 2 days to get a feel for how the movies will flow, and it was awesome! But this R/PG-13 issue is gonna be tough. It SHOULD be R, obviously. But there's some stuff in Harbinger that is iffy that way to. And Harbinger Wars with the 'Harada Protocol' definately goes into the R zone as well. But is it worth it for them to shackle themselves with their first movies out of the gate like that? On the other hand, I could argue they should stay true to their original vision even if it means going R and limiting their viewing audience. Which is the right answer? Heck if I know. Maybe it depends on if they are going to try to market Valiant toys for kids or not.

It's like Suicide Squad, how can it be Pg 13 with that title?

[ilzuccone]

it'll be pg13. those pull in more money last i heard.

[Sven the Returned]

it'll be pg13. those pull in more money last i heard.

Even with that title? Also i am sure the directors know how to cut the budget down and still make it exciting.

[ilzuccone]

it'll be pg13. those pull in more money last i heard.

Even with that title? Also i am sure the directors know how to cut the budget down and still make it exciting.

We are talking about the industry that wanted to cast Michael Jackson as James O'Barr's Crow. it has nothing to do with budget or story or history of an ip. it's all about butts in theater seats.

[bygranddesign]

it'll be pg13. those pull in more money last i heard.

Matthew Vaughn is the executive producer ... and he directed Kick-*SQUEE* 1 and 2 and Kingsman which were comic based movies and they were Rated R

The two directors attached to Bloodshot are relatively unknown ... but they have had a big career as stunt coordinators for some of the biggest action movies of the past 20 years. The one movie they directed - John Wick was Rated R

I think the odds are that it will be Rated R

Besides those movies - Wanted is another good comp for Bloodshot. Movie based on a comic - huge action, bloody violence. It was Rated R.

Denzel Washington has had a bunch of Rated R action movies lately (equalizer, 2 guns...etc etc)

Scarlett Johansson's Lucy was Rated R!! Lucy will be rated R .. but Bloodshot won't be?

I could go on and on ... but Rated R action movies have a pretty big audience - is there HUGE upside?

Maybe not. But its a pretty profitable genre if done right.

I would be shocked and extremely disappointed if Bloodshot is not Rated R - There is no reason why it wouldn't be. The audience is there for Rated R action movies.

I'm more worried about whether these 2 action oriented directors .. will give the same time and effort in building up the scifi and character driven elements that make up Bloodshot.

But the good thing is with Dinesh as producer - i'm sure he will not approve any script that wasn't true to the character

And In Dinesh I trust

[Sven the Returned]

it'll be pg13. those pull in more money last i heard.

Even with that title? Also i am sure the directors know how to cut the budget down and still make it exciting.

We are talking about the industry that wanted to cast Michael Jackson as James O'Barr's Crow. it has nothing to do with budget or story or history of an ip. it's all about butts in theater seats.

They got rid of giant flops of the Waterworld type so i am sure they find a way not to mess it up that much.