WTF...Dynamite Brings Back...

[Chiclo]

Dynamite was sued by the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate.
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To be fair that law suit was stupid on the ERB estates behalf. They were complaining over a character showing up essentially naked on the cover for Warlord of Mars despite said character being described as naked in the books.

I do have to lend my support to Dynamite on this one as well - the ERB estate suit had no merit. The claim was that they were turning Deja Thoris into a porn star but Dynamite was only reprinting material from the first five Warlord of Mars books, all of which are public domain material.

[kjjohanson]

Just a quick note... these topics about Dynamite are in the General VALIANT Discussion section of the board.

Once the "new" of the discussion wears off, I'll move them to the NON-Valiant section of the board, where they belong.

Maybe in the Dark Key subsection?

Would there be a new subsection for the Dyna-Keys?

can we call them the donkeys?

[kjjohanson]

And… we have confirmation of titles and creative teams:

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[Chiclo]

Just a quick note... these topics about Dynamite are in the General VALIANT Discussion section of the board.

Once the "new" of the discussion wears off, I'll move them to the NON-Valiant section of the board, where they belong.

Maybe in the Dark Key subsection?

Would there be a new subsection for the Dyna-Keys?

can we call them the donkeys?

I like it!

[comicsyte95]

If Dynamite had succeeded in stealing the VEI properties to tell you the truth I would have never bought any of those books on principle alone.

I only buy VEI books at this minute and Dynamite wont steal this fan.

I'm not trying to defend Dynamite, but just wanted to clarify something here: Dynamite was never trying to steal the VEI properties. Those properties were locked up in the auction. It was the trademark (the ability to use the name of the original Valiant properties) that was the issue.

To illustrate this (the is the best possible example I can think of, and one I think everyone will understand): Marvel Comics trademarked "Captain Marvel" in the '60s, despite the fact that there was an existing Captain Marvel character. But that gave them no rights to use the Billy Batson character. The rights to that character was still owned by Fawcett. After those rights were acquired by DC, they had full rights to use the character and the name of the character, they just couldn't sell a product by that name, which is why "Shazam" is always incorporated in the title whenever they publish a book.

VEI was never in jeopardy of not being able to use the Valiant characters. But maybe they'd be publishing Project Rising Spirit, Aric of Dacia, and Klang! instead of Bloodshot, X-O Manowar, and Quantum & Woody if they lost the trademark fight.

I stand corrected.I am not upset with them as they didn't win the lawsuit.Its more of a budget issue +space to buy is limited.I can only buy a limited amount of comics so I buy what I like VEI Valiant.being a completest if Dynamic forces put out an comic with VEI I would buy it,buying one of every comic VEI makes will be a challenge and something to look forward to.I cant miss 1 issue of a sure thing for a gamble.

[KXXX]

What a bunch of *SQUEE*

In what way?

In the way that this *SQUEE* bulls

[Heath]

It's just not Magnus if he's not wearing a skirt and white Go-Go boots.

[myron]

not inpressed with that design....


so chiclo who's the mole on the forum??

inquiring minds want to know

[Elveen]

not inpressed with that design....


so chiclo who's the mole on the forum??

inquiring minds want to know

It's me!

[myron]

not inpressed with that design....


so chiclo who's the mole on the forum??

inquiring minds want to know

It's me!

[Aram]

not inpressed with that design....


so chiclo who's the mole on the forum??

inquiring minds want to know

It's me!

shhshh... don't look now but he's online..

it's.. Google [Bot] !

[jedimarley]

So I wonder if this is the reason why the Eternal Warrior HC is delayed. I wonder if this might delay the Rai HC.

[leonmallett]

Here's how I explained my feelings about it on Facebook:

I felt a little angered that:

1. Dynamite is trying to steal Valiant fans (with 1990s Valiant characters). Valiant needs every 1990s Valiant fan buying books from Valiant, not Dynamite.

2. Current Valiant creators don't see it as a conflict of interest to work for Dynamite (see #1 for why this should be a conflict)

These writers are at the top of their game and can find work at at least a half dozen publishers. Why work with the same sleazeballs that tried to steal the Valiant characters by registering Trademarks just as the intellectual property was going into bankruptcy auction? Long story here, but Greg explains it in another similar thread.

My feeling is, they should know better.

I love FvL's A&A and I'm really digging Pak's EW, so I hope they stick around for a good, long time. I'm not buying the Dynamite books, but I wish them well personally in any of their professional endeavors.

The leadership at Dynamite, well, that's another story...

Again I ask the question I asked before: why not? If VEI are clearly working with DE, even with what has gone before, why should freelancers be held to a different standard.

Judging them (FVL, Pak) for working with 'sleazeballs' (your words, not mine) seems hypocritical, if you do not judge VEI by the same standard.

VEI have every right to work with whom they feel is a good fit as a partner. Similar freelancers looking for work.

I would offer this analogy - VEI and DE getting together for some mutually benificial agreement on merchandising is like our 2 political parties occasionally getting together to pass a law. They are working together but they are not usually happy about it - they do it for their own self presevation. But if 2 of our best speech writers were also now writing for the other team, that would be a little questionable of them.

Just because VEI and DE are working together on a few things doesn't mean they like each other.

Not claiming they (VEI and DE) do or even should; just wondering why the two freelancers were being judged for working for both.

[Carson]

Here's how I explained my feelings about it on Facebook:

I felt a little angered that:

1. Dynamite is trying to steal Valiant fans (with 1990s Valiant characters). Valiant needs every 1990s Valiant fan buying books from Valiant, not Dynamite.

2. Current Valiant creators don't see it as a conflict of interest to work for Dynamite (see #1 for why this should be a conflict)

These writers are at the top of their game and can find work at at least a half dozen publishers. Why work with the same sleazeballs that tried to steal the Valiant characters by registering Trademarks just as the intellectual property was going into bankruptcy auction? Long story here, but Greg explains it in another similar thread.

My feeling is, they should know better.

I love FvL's A&A and I'm really digging Pak's EW, so I hope they stick around for a good, long time. I'm not buying the Dynamite books, but I wish them well personally in any of their professional endeavors.

The leadership at Dynamite, well, that's another story...

Again I ask the question I asked before: why not? If VEI are clearly working with DE, even with what has gone before, why should freelancers be held to a different standard.

Judging them (FVL, Pak) for working with 'sleazeballs' (your words, not mine) seems hypocritical, if you do not judge VEI by the same standard.

VEI have every right to work with whom they feel is a good fit as a partner. Similar freelancers looking for work.

We can agree to disagree, yet again. On the other thread you were questioning a couple VEI creatives' work ethic and I called you out for it. Now on this thread you're defending other creatives' right to play for both teams (that are inevitably competing for 1990s valiant fans).

Methinks you just like to contradict me.

[Carson]

So I wonder if this is the reason why the Eternal Warrior HC is delayed. I wonder if this might delay the Rai HC.

I think they wanted to delay the Rai Hc until after they announce Rai this weekend at NYCC. Fingers crossed on that, pure speculation on my part

[bygranddesign]

Not claiming they (VEI and DE) do or even should; just wondering why the two freelancers were being judged for working for both.

potential conflict of interest?

Pak and FVL working for Marvel or Image or DC doesn't make much difference to Valiant ... but these gold key characters have obviously a strong link to Valiant fans ... and this revival can chip away at the valiant fanbase and effect the overall sales for VEI

The popular writers for VEI going over to Dynamite gives the titles credibility ... the fact that they are hinting about a crossover makes it seem like these are something that VEI fans will need to collect ...etc

I don't know ... it just seems like this is not something that Dinesh and the Valiant management team would want to see happen. Maybe I'm wrong Mark Waid I think is an amazing writer also, btw. I LOVE daredevil ... so they definitely have my attention with that signing as well.

[mateo107]

I think a crossover might be good for Valiant. when I first found VEI, I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the GK3, but fortunately I tried out the books and realized they were great without them. other people might not have been so adventurous and may have been holding out waiting for their return.

[leonmallett]

Not claiming they (VEI and DE) do or even should; just wondering why the two freelancers were being judged for working for both.

potential conflict of interest?

Pak and FVL working for Marvel or Image or DC doesn't make much difference to Valiant ... but these gold key characters have obviously a strong link to Valiant fans ... and this revival can chip away at the valiant fanbase and effect the overall sales for VEI

The popular writers for VEI going over to Dynamite gives the titles credibility ... the fact that they are hinting about a crossover makes it seem like these are something that VEI fans will need to collect ...etc

I don't know ... it just seems like this is not something that Dinesh and the Valiant management team would want to see happen. Maybe I'm wrong Mark Waid I think is an amazing writer also, btw. I LOVE daredevil ... so they definitely have my attention with that signing as well.

Again I ask the question. I am really not wanting to troll, but in a free market, and given that VEI have no claim to the GK properties (since they were never owned by Voyager or Acclaim), and that DE have no claim to the VALIANT properties owned by VEI, where lies the conflict?

There is no overlap of characters, IP, or trademarks, so where is the conflict?

The only conflict I can see is one based on sentiment for something that once was. VEI have made incredible efforts - far beyond my expectations as but one reader I will happily admit - but the VEI era of VALIANT is its own thing.

[leonmallett]

I think a crossover might be good for Valiant. when I first found VEI, I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the GK3, but fortunately I tried out the books and realized they were great without them. other people might not have been so adventurous and may have been holding out waiting for their return.

I think the only way it can be good is if it was released on time (not something DE is famed for) and most importantly it brings new readers; if the only guys buying the DE GK books end up being existing VEI era VALIANT fans, what is there for VEI that could not be achieved by releasing their own additional books?

The Kirby Genesis line suffered delays. The Project Superpowers line suffered delays. DE has struggled with superheroes before, so i would argue they have to 'prove' their capabilities before VEI should consider a crossover.

[jedimarley]

So I wonder if this is the reason why the Eternal Warrior HC is delayed. I wonder if this might delay the Rai HC.

I think they wanted to delay the Rai Hc until after they announce Rai this weekend at NYCC. Fingers crossed on that, pure speculation on my part

Possible copyright issues with the HCs. Magnus and Solar in both. Especially Rai.

[The Dirt Gang]

Not sure how I feel about this news. I can't keep already with all the titles I'd like to read. I love these characters and the creative teams look solid. If they make it to trades, I'll try to pick them up.

I have to agree that ain't Magnus. His skirt outfit is so classic and this one version is so very uninspired.

[lorddunlow]

Here's how I explained my feelings about it on Facebook:

I felt a little angered that:

1. Dynamite is trying to steal Valiant fans (with 1990s Valiant characters). Valiant needs every 1990s Valiant fan buying books from Valiant, not Dynamite.

2. Current Valiant creators don't see it as a conflict of interest to work for Dynamite (see #1 for why this should be a conflict)

These writers are at the top of their game and can find work at at least a half dozen publishers. Why work with the same sleazeballs that tried to steal the Valiant characters by registering Trademarks just as the intellectual property was going into bankruptcy auction? Long story here, but Greg explains it in another similar thread.

My feeling is, they should know better.

I love FvL's A&A and I'm really digging Pak's EW, so I hope they stick around for a good, long time. I'm not buying the Dynamite books, but I wish them well personally in any of their professional endeavors.

The leadership at Dynamite, well, that's another story...

Again I ask the question I asked before: why not? If VEI are clearly working with DE, even with what has gone before, why should freelancers be held to a different standard.

Judging them (FVL, Pak) for working with 'sleazeballs' (your words, not mine) seems hypocritical, if you do not judge VEI by the same standard.

VEI have every right to work with whom they feel is a good fit as a partner. Similar freelancers looking for work.

We can agree to disagree, yet again. On the other thread you were questioning a couple VEI creatives' work ethic and I called you out for it. Now on this thread you're defending other creatives' right to play for both teams (that are inevitably competing for 1990s valiant fans).

Methinks you just like to contradict me.

I'm sorry again.

Can't we all just love the Dong in peace?

[slym2none]

I think a crossover might be good for Valiant. when I first found VEI, I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the GK3, but fortunately I tried out the books and realized they were great without them. other people might not have been so adventurous and may have been holding out waiting for their return.

I think the only way it can be good is if it was released on time (not something DE is famed for) and most importantly it brings new readers; if the only guys buying the DE GK books end up being existing VEI era VALIANT fans, what is there for VEI that could not be achieved by releasing their own additional books?

The Kirby Genesis line suffered delays. The Project Superpowers line suffered delays. DE has struggled with superheroes before, so i would argue they have to 'prove' their capabilities before VEI should consider a crossover.

DNV doesn't need a Deathmate Red.



-slym

[leonmallett]

Here's how I explained my feelings about it on Facebook:

I felt a little angered that:

1. Dynamite is trying to steal Valiant fans (with 1990s Valiant characters). Valiant needs every 1990s Valiant fan buying books from Valiant, not Dynamite.

2. Current Valiant creators don't see it as a conflict of interest to work for Dynamite (see #1 for why this should be a conflict)

These writers are at the top of their game and can find work at at least a half dozen publishers. Why work with the same sleazeballs that tried to steal the Valiant characters by registering Trademarks just as the intellectual property was going into bankruptcy auction? Long story here, but Greg explains it in another similar thread.

My feeling is, they should know better.

I love FvL's A&A and I'm really digging Pak's EW, so I hope they stick around for a good, long time. I'm not buying the Dynamite books, but I wish them well personally in any of their professional endeavors.

The leadership at Dynamite, well, that's another story...

Again I ask the question I asked before: why not? If VEI are clearly working with DE, even with what has gone before, why should freelancers be held to a different standard.

Judging them (FVL, Pak) for working with 'sleazeballs' (your words, not mine) seems hypocritical, if you do not judge VEI by the same standard.

VEI have every right to work with whom they feel is a good fit as a partner. Similar freelancers looking for work.

We can agree to disagree, yet again. On the other thread you were questioning a couple VEI creatives' work ethic and I called you out for it. Now on this thread you're defending other creatives' right to play for both teams (that are inevitably competing for 1990s valiant fans).

Methinks you just like to contradict me.

Nothing to do with you, just the stated position by you and others. I posed the position I would argue/defend twice to jedimarley prior to you weighing in. How is that about you? I don't think it is.

Conflating right to work with an opinion on quality of work is odd, is it not? Again, my position on each is arrived at independently. We can choose to comment, we can argue a point, we can disagree, as we all have the right to do so so long as we are civil.

I defend my right to say that I did not think a piece of work was good quality (please recall I used the word about the arc; you changed the debate to be about the creators), and please don't forget you called me out for that (and by *that*, I mean how you choose to interpret my post), but not others for outright calling work 'crap' (in a thread you subsequently posted in). Please re-read my post which inflamed you to see that.

You are the one personalizing this Carson by suggesting I have a thing against you. I don't, and I have now only brought these further points up since you are insisting on trying to make it about a 'personal thing' in what you have posted above.

I hope that is clear.

Can we be cool?

[leonmallett]

I think a crossover might be good for Valiant. when I first found VEI, I was a little disappointed that they didn't have the GK3, but fortunately I tried out the books and realized they were great without them. other people might not have been so adventurous and may have been holding out waiting for their return.

I think the only way it can be good is if it was released on time (not something DE is famed for) and most importantly it brings new readers; if the only guys buying the DE GK books end up being existing VEI era VALIANT fans, what is there for VEI that could not be achieved by releasing their own additional books?

The Kirby Genesis line suffered delays. The Project Superpowers line suffered delays. DE has struggled with superheroes before, so i would argue they have to 'prove' their capabilities before VEI should consider a crossover.

DNV doesn't need a Deathmate Red.



-slym