A Cautionary Tale

cliffvanmeter · Post by **cliffvanmeter** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:38 am

I've been on the other side of this... the artist that gets screwed by the publisher. This is the first time I've ever had another artist screw me. It's not enough money to take legal action, so all I'm left with is the court of public opinion. Here's the whole story.

http://arctoscomics.com/?p=920

Cliff VanMeter
http://arctoscomics.com

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:50 am

Jeez. Words escape me.

cliffvanmeter · Post by **cliffvanmeter** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:16 pm

If I'm ever going to get this guy's attention, I need all the help I can get to spread the word. Let people know. $150 might not mean much to some people, but to me it's a couple week's groceries for me and my family.

Cliff

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:49 pm

cliffvanmeter wrote:If I'm ever going to get this guy's attention, I need all the help I can get to spread the word. Let people know. $150 might not mean much to some people, but to me it's a couple week's groceries for me and my family.

Cliff

Of course... but there is also a great matter of (or should I say 'lack of') 'professional ethics' involved here as well.

If anyone does NOT deserve this grief, it is you, Cliff. I am sorry you are going through this.

'What goes around... comes around.'

cliffvanmeter · Post by **cliffvanmeter** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:05 pm

Knightt wrote: 'What goes around... comes around.'

I really wish I still believe that. I've seen it too many times where publishers pull this crap and are rewarded with success. I like another quote better, "All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." or something to that effect.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:15 pm

cliffvanmeter wrote:
Knightt wrote: 'What goes around... comes around.'
I really wish I still believe that. I've seen it too many times where publishers pull this crap and are rewarded with success. I like another quote better, "All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." or something to that effect.

I hear ya.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:54 pm

It is a shame that I never really got on with the majority of Larry Stroman's work because I cannot even boycott his stuff in the future, I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:26 pm

Drift wrote:It is a shame that I never really got on with the majority of Larry Stroman's work because I cannot even boycott his stuff in the future, I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.

If it wasn't for Peter David's wonderful scripts, I would never have bothered with X-Factor back in the 90s. IMHO his brief run on the current series (which was a few years ago) his art was worse than it was in the 90s.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:19 am

Cyberstrike wrote:
Drift wrote:It is a shame that I never really got on with the majority of Larry Stroman's work because I cannot even boycott his stuff in the future, I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.
If it wasn't for Peter David's wonderful scripts, I would never have bothered with X-Factor back in the 90s. IMHO his brief run on the current series (which was a few years ago) his art was worse than it was in the 90s.

Totally agree. I jokingly referred to him as Larry Pooman because all his people looked like they had turds for heads.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:35 am

Drift wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Drift wrote:It is a shame that I never really got on with the majority of Larry Stroman's work because I cannot even boycott his stuff in the future, I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.
If it wasn't for Peter David's wonderful scripts, I would never have bothered with X-Factor back in the 90s. IMHO his brief run on the current series (which was a few years ago) his art was worse than it was in the 90s.
Totally agree. I jokingly referred to him as Larry Pooman because all his people looked like they had turds for heads.

Sorry to hear about this, but I agree that whatever he did for you probably would've been crap. His recent X-Factor stuff is terrible. Not even good PAD stories could overcome the horrendous art. He is an artist that I will avoid his work like the plague.

caxiotis · Post by **caxiotis** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:27 am

Wow. This guy is completely unprofessional and without ethics. Sorry to hear about this.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:33 am

caxiotis wrote:Wow. This guy is completely unprofessional and without ethics. Sorry to hear about this.

x2.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:39 am

This sucks. As a guy getting into the publishing side of things, I worry about this happening.

I really hope you get either the art you paid for or your money back and in short order.

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