Did Speculating Harm Or Kill Valiant Comics?

[magnusrobot12]

also, Magnus used to wear brown boots, but then, he wore white boots to make him look even more gay. i know this is going to sound crazy, but when i first purchased my Magnus books, i did not even notice he wore boots. then, a few years later, when i re-purchased the Magnus books is when i noticed that he wore go-go gay boots. shiny white.

ohmm, maybe i should change my username or go to therapy...

[slym2none]

Oh, when there is a fight, you'll know it. As far as I can see, we are being civil.

And BTW - Cartman's doll is named Clyde-Frog.





-slym

[Daniel Jackson]

Someone today picked up my bound copy of Magnus Robot Fighters and the first thing they said was, "Why is this dude wearing go-go boots?" It's that lack of caring about making characters look cool that sunk them. Comics have a huge cool-factor and between Harbinger where everyone wore t-shirts and jeans to HARD Corps where everyone was in the same plain red coveralls, valiant just got an F in that category.

I can spend all day pointing to comics with great writing that failed to sell after 2 years. And to the opposite I can walk into any comic book store and point out that the longest selling comics have had way more bad writing than good. But they are based on characters that look bad a$$.

Magnus and his outfit were just a reflection of the 60's translating into a "future" look. To me, it's unique and iconic. Just as much as Superman's cape and tights.

Valiant was more about the character development and less about the standard superhero uniform (at least in the beginning). I don't think the lack of cool outfits sunk them, it was the substandard writing and mediocre ideas that developed after they veered from Shooter's original vision.

[superman-prime]

pre unity
unity
post unity

[Cyberstrike]

Weren't all of the Supreme #1's marked Volume Two or something? I remember being baffled by that one back then.

Yeah I never got what that was about either?

IIRC Liefeld wanted to a do a mini-series prequal that explained Supreme's origin and eventually (years later) it was done as The Power of Supreme or The Glory of Supreme or something like that.

[megatronthe3rd]

Oh, when there is a fight, you'll know it. As far as I can see, we are being civil.

And BTW - Cartman's doll is named Clyde-Frog.





-slym

Don't forget about Polly Prissypants

[Daniel Jackson]

pre unity
unity
post unity

Hahaha....well said, SP.

[superman-prime]

Post unity DH era

[magnusrobot12]

Weren't all of the Supreme #1's marked Volume Two or something? I remember being baffled by that one back then.

Yeah I never got what that was about either?

IIRC Liefeld wanted to a do a mini-series prequal that explained Supreme's origin and eventually (years later) it was done as The Power of Supreme or The Glory of Supreme or something like that.

I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

[magnusrobot12]

Oh, when there is a fight, you'll know it. As far as I can see, we are being civil.

And BTW - Cartman's doll is named Clyde-Frog.





-slym

Clyde-Frog!

Thanks Slym2none

[iggy101us]

I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

Join the club http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

[magnusrobot12]

I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

Join the club http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

The concluding paragraph on the final page of the website summarizes it all:

"Rob Liefeld is still getting commissioned to do work for both major comics publishers. He is one of the most successful, recognizable, well-known and popular comic book artists in history despite being difficult to work with, egotistical, contrary and missing deadlines on a consistent basis. He has made more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetimes. He still cannot draw a foot."

He has more money than all of us. It just goes to show that it is better to be lucky then good. That pretty much sums it up. I'm going to cry now...

[myron]

where the hel! is that rotating captain americe overhead when you need it...

[xodacia81]

I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

Join the club http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

The concluding paragraph on the final page of the website summarizes it all:

"Rob Liefeld is still getting commissioned to do work for both major comics publishers. He is one of the most successful, recognizable, well-known and popular comic book artists in history despite being difficult to work with, egotistical, contrary and missing deadlines on a consistent basis. He has made more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetimes. He still cannot draw a foot."

He has more money than all of us. It just goes to show that it is better to be lucky then good. That pretty much sums it up. I'm going to cry now...

Fully agreed, and thanks, Iggy, that Leifeld site was hilarious.

[slym2none]

where the hel! is that rotating captain americe overhead when you need it...

Whose av was that??? jcdenton?



-slym (is gonna go crazy thinking about it now)

[myron]

where the hel! is that rotating captain americe overhead when you need it...

Whose av was that??? jcdenton?



-slym (is gonna go crazy thinking about it now)

yeah, but it's gone, I already checked...

[myron]

from a REALLY old thread...

PS---Just what is your avatar supposed to be?

A top-down view of this drawing, courtesy of Rob Liefeld:

I have ALWAYS wanted to ask this very question, but for some reason never did! Thanks to both of you, I now know the answer.





-slym

[myron]

[ian_house]

That really needs to be one of the emoticons on the board. It's used often enough!

[superman-prime]

help im blind

[magnusrobot12]

help im blind

Agreed.

dang, those images of Captain America really hurt my eyes...

[dave]

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I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

You just offended the whole board!

wow.

Did I say offended? Sorry. Meant befriended!

[robb77]

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I do not want to sound mean, but Liefeld is an arrogant jerk with little talent and he was always late. He was the posterchild of what was wrong with Image comics in the early 90s. He sucks.


Also, why do all of Liefeld's characters have the same facial expression, mouth slightly open, teeth shinning, "ahhhrrrr" sound. Does he know how to draw different expressions? seriously, the dude sucks.

You just offended the whole board!

wow.

Did I say offended? Sorry. Meant befriended!

[Drift]

where the hel! is that rotating captain americe overhead when you need it...

It is here but for some reason (probably shame) does not want to show it's malformed self here.

http://media.fukung.net/images/4340/Cap ... opDown.gif

[robb77]

where the hel! is that rotating captain americe overhead when you need it...

It is here but for some reason (probably shame) does not want to show it's malformed self here.

http://media.*SQUEE*.net/images/4340/Captain%20America%20TopDown.gif