Rob Liefeld vs Jae Lee - who is worse?

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:30 pm

robb77 wrote:i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

You think wrong my friend.

I've just put the indys from the boxes we got at the weekend in order and there is a chunk of Supreme in there. It is bloody awful.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:32 pm

Drift wrote:
robb77 wrote:i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

You think wrong my friend.

I've just put the indys from the boxes we got at the weekend in order and there is a chunk of Supreme in there. It is bloody awful.

AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:34 pm

That reminds me, the guy that works the register at my LCS wants pics of the LeiFawkes day pyre.

Nice guy. Always wears Manchester United jerseys.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:36 pm

Chiclo wrote:That reminds me, the guy that works the register at my LCS wants pics of the LeiFawkes day pyre.

Nice guy. Always wears Manchester United jerseys.

It will be you tube extravaganza i promise.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:54 pm

Draco wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:Supreme was excellent when Alan Moore started writing it and that was the ONLY saving grace of that whole series and even Moore couldn't save Youngblood, Glory, New Men, and the rest of Extreme/Maximum/Awesome comics.

And if you think his Captain American was bad his take on Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's The Fighting American is even worse.
you are not kidding are you dude,
that crap sucks *SQUEE* big time.

i know people like the design, i almost do myself and had some Kirby 50' books, but boy oh boy

I got The Fighting American hardcover that Marvel put out years ago and while that is still a great series (if it was properly updated it could even be better than Captain America) Liefeld completely screwed up that character.

The mention of Supreme is the Ultimate get out is it not, well for Rob anyway

I wonder what may have happened to his career without Moore on Supreme?
Did that really stop him from being the biggest failure ever to mass publish comics?
Regardless of whether one of the best writers to grace the medium took the single biggest rip off of Superman Since Captain Marvel (just kidding, what DC did to Fawcett was sickening), and made it a weird and wonderful read, it means nothing to me in terms of what Rob Liefeld himself achieved, where maybe others may have been more impressed and forgotten all the bad that dude did in the name of what ($$$$$?), cos if it were for the love of comics, get that man to a padded cell.

The thing is what Alan Moore did on Supreme really ONLYworked for Supreme it was when Moore tried to recreate the rest of Liefeld's characters as DC clones did it seem that Moore was beating the dead horse with a stick it was. He wanted remake Glory as a Wonder Woman knock off, the New Men (who already were bad X-Men knockoffs) in Challengers of the Unknown knock offs, and Youngblood into a Teen Titans knockoff was where I think Moore really lost his creative edge with those characters. I mean why I should I read cheap knock offs of characters when I could read the orginal characters from DC?

So was it surpising that when I read an interveiw where Liefeld said that he didn't like what Moore had done on Supreme and blasted him for being a poet (or a creative artist) only let him do it because he was too busy with other projects to pay attention.

No. Not really.

Was it sad when him and Busik got into a flame war on newsrama?
Yes, but because I thought Busik was above such nonsense.

The main reason that I don't like Liefeld because he introduced the world to an artist even worse than he is Pat Lee! *shudders*

Jae Lee on the other hand is a great artist (except when he draws robots and complex mecha then he sucks), I wished he just released Hellshock vol. 2 #4.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:15 am

Draco wrote:
Drift wrote:
robb77 wrote:i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

You think wrong my friend.

I've just put the indys from the boxes we got at the weekend in order and there is a chunk of Supreme in there. It is bloody awful.
AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!

double checked the comic and i have to admit it it is liefield at his .. best/worse

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:17 am

Jay Tomio wrote:Jae Lee is pimp as hell and on one of the most important property/titles Marvel has had over the last several years.

Crow331 · Post by **Crow331** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:01 pm

I loved Jae Lee's work on INHUMANS and also HELLSHOCK was a real favorite of mine. Loved the work on that one. I wish he would release some original art from Hellshock *sigh*

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:49 pm

Crow331 wrote:I loved Jae Lee's work on INHUMANS and also HELLSHOCK was a real favorite of mine. Loved the work on that one. I wish he would release some original art from Hellshock *sigh*

I always thought Hellshock was the straw that broke the camels back in terms of the hot artists doing really bland creator owned books.

He had a style that was different enough to get him noticed and when he did Namor the industry was desperate to find new hot artists every day of the week.

His early stuff was hit and miss, but now he has proven himself to we worthy of any praise he receives.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:12 pm

Jay Tomio wrote:Jae Lee is pimp as hell and on one of the most important property/titles Marvel has had over the last several years.

I don't mind Liefeld, the guy has done nothing to me. I don't think people hate his art so much as hate the combination of his art and the fact that he's probably one of ten most commercially/financial successful guys in this industry's history (as a creator). For this reason, I find most people's opinion on him to be flawed from the start (it's just hating). It'

That said, he does come off like a *SQUEE* bag at times (that Moore situation noted above), but that just means he like everybody else.

If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.

Dude, the guy cannot draw.

People hate him because he cannot draw.

They probably hate him more due to the fact that his art is crap but they were suckered into the hype behind him and bought into it anyway? I think that would be a closer assessment.

The guy's career exists to serve as a historical

at how pointless hype and peer-pressure are.

Don't get me wrong, from the video diaries I have seen online, he seems like a nice guy. Draco and I have discussed it before and both agree that we would probably go for a beer with the guy.

He also appears to be totally oblivious to the fact that his "art" sucks so hard.

But yeah, they hate him because his art sucks.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:00 pm

If I ever met Liefeld, I'd ask for a sketch - just teeth, in that grimace that seems to be one of three facial expressions he knows.

BTW - if/when the Leifeld Pyre ever happens, be sure to get someone to post it over on the CGC boards. Those people would love it!

-slym

nutflush76 · Post by **nutflush76** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:01 pm

If this doesn't make up your mind for you I don't know what will:

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:59 pm

Just Thor

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:13 pm

Jay Tomio wrote:
People hate him because he cannot draw.
Which explains everything. That's a silly reason to dislike, much less hate anyone.

I think it's also the fact that he was so prolific with his terrible art... but that means the hate was mis-directed. It should be aimed at the people who keep hiring him - much how I feel about the music channel VH-1 with all the "New York" shows. WHY do they keep putting this horrible woman on TV???

-slym

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:14 pm

Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.

No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:02 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.
No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.

If only Vince McMahon could make that happen.....

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:11 pm

I can just hear the Undertaker groaning into the mike "Hey Rob. You got some purty lips."

At least that would be an entertaining way for things to start.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon May 25, 2009 10:14 pm

Hahahaha...then he finishes Rob with a tombstone piledriver.....

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:12 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Hahahaha...then he finishes Rob with a tombstone piledriver.....

dont stop.........

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:14 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.
No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.
If only Vince McMahon could make that happen.....

If Vince McMahon doesn't chances are Jeff Jarrett would. Rob Liefeld getting hit with a guitar busted over his head and then the Stroke would be priceless.

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:40 am

nutflush76 wrote:If this doesn't make up your mind for you I don't know what will:

look at hulk's feet...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:42 am

Cyberstrike wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.
No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.
If only Vince McMahon could make that happen.....
If Vince McMahon doesn't chances are Jeff Jarrett would. Rob Liefeld getting hit with a guitar busted over his head and then the Stroke would be priceless.

Only have someone switch Jarrett's "breakaway" guitar for a real one.....

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:16 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.
No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.
If only Vince McMahon could make that happen.....
If Vince McMahon doesn't chances are Jeff Jarrett would. Rob Liefeld getting hit with a guitar busted over his head and then the Stroke would be priceless.
Only have someone switch Jarrett's "breakaway" guitar for a real one.....

If all else fails have Jarrett use a steel chair.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:33 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:If he was a pro-wrestler he'd be headlining Wrestlemania every year.
No, he wouldn't be headling Wrestlemania every year, Rob Liefeld would be the Undertaker's Wrestlemania *SQUEE* every year.
If only Vince McMahon could make that happen.....
If Vince McMahon doesn't chances are Jeff Jarrett would. Rob Liefeld getting hit with a guitar busted over his head and then the Stroke would be priceless.
Only have someone switch Jarrett's "breakaway" guitar for a real one.....
If all else fails have Jarrett use a steel chair.

Draco wrote:
Drift wrote:
J-Scott-R wrote:
Drift wrote:
J-Scott-R wrote:
Draco wrote: Just Thor
So, what are you trying to say?
Just Thor
Got it , Just Thor
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Just Thor.

Just Thor.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat May 30, 2009 4:05 pm

Jae Lee is a terrific artist-but he never had his own jean commercial...