Wizard World LA

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:00:38 pm

So, who went on Friday? I was there as a volunteer. I did see someone there with a Shadowman logo t-shirt.

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:04:30 pm

refuse to travel the 200 miles, get a room, and pay an *SQUEE* load of cash just to get in.

~The Unblessed Soul

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:23:47 am

I was there....where were you, Spider? I'll be there tomorrow (picking up books) and Sunday (dropping off books to CGC.)

First BIG con I've attended in...god, I have no idea how long. At least 10 years.

It helps having friends in the industry, I got an exhibitor pass. Yay.

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:44:22 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:I was there....where were you, Spider? I'll be there tomorrow (picking up books) and Sunday (dropping off books to CGC.)

First BIG con I've attended in...god, I have no idea how long. At least 10 years.

It helps having friends in the industry, I got an exhibitor pass. Yay.

I'm mostly wandering around. I was also at the DC booth for a little while getting stuff signed.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:29:59 am

Sooooooo....it's turning out to be an experience...

Rumors abound about the impending Valiant auction, Taddeo, etc. Had nice convo with Top Cow re: Valiant.

Made some contacts.

Spent about $2000. (not so good.

)

All in all, not bad. Not bad at all.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:59:07 am

Oh, also talked to Mike Mayhew, X-O...he says hi. We talked about the visit to Atomic in..sept? Anyways, he's gonna be out there again for Free Comic Day May 19th (or thereabouts), so stop by. Mention me and get a 75% discount on his original art.

Ok, just kidding about that last part.

He DID say 'man, that sketch was the worst I've ever done, and there's a PICTURE of me doing it! That Finch is a MADMAN!'

He also called it 'Magnus' again.

I didn't think it politic to correct him.

And, saw Zeck's original Secret Wars #9 cover for sale...$3800.

Absurd.

$3800 for a non-key Zeck Secret Wars cover?

It's funny, in my head I was like 'eh, probably $400-$500, I can talk 'em down.'

Ha ha ha ha ha indeed.

The most I'd pay for a PUNISHER Zeck piece is $1,000. Yes, obviously that would sell for a lot more, but not to ME.

I mean, for god's SAKE, you can get a Frazetta ORIGINAL PENCIL SKETCH for $4000. And FRAZETTA is a REAL artist (you know, paintings in galleries and whatnot.)

When was the last time you saw Mike Zeck Secret Wars covers in a gallery?

Suffice it to say, I didn't look at ANY other original art.

It seems the original art biz is quite the racket...I think I'm gonna sharpen my skills, draw some covers, and sell them for thousands of dollars.

What a scam.

Any proponents of the obscene prices for original art, speak up!

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:21:25 pm

Didn't see you there, Zeph, but I did go and send my unsigned BIRTH OF THE DEFIANT UNIVERSE to CGC, and got it back today. It was a 9.8 (and blue labeled).

justin · Post by **justin** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:27:40 pm

The Spider wrote:Didn't see you there, Zeph, but I did go and send my unsigned BIRTH OF THE DEFIANT UNIVERSE to CGC, and got it back today. It was a 9.8 (and blue labeled).

Very nice!!! Are you keeping that or putting it on eBay?

-A

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:50:27 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Oh, also talked to Mike Mayhew, X-O...he says hi. We talked about the visit to Atomic in..sept? Anyways, he's gonna be out there again for Free Comic Day May 19th (or thereabouts), so stop by. Mention me and get a 75% discount on his original art.

Ok, just kidding about that last part.

He DID say 'man, that sketch was the worst I've ever done, and there's a PICTURE of me doing it! That Finch is a MADMAN!'

He also called it 'Magnus' again. I didn't think it politic to correct him.

And, saw Zeck's original Secret Wars #9 cover for sale...$3800.

Absurd.

$3800 for a non-key Zeck Secret Wars cover?

It's funny, in my head I was like 'eh, probably $400-$500, I can talk 'em down.'

Ha ha ha ha ha indeed.

The most I'd pay for a PUNISHER Zeck piece is $1,000. Yes, obviously that would sell for a lot more, but not to ME.

I mean, for god's SAKE, you can get a Frazetta ORIGINAL PENCIL SKETCH for $4000. And FRAZETTA is a REAL artist (you know, paintings in galleries and whatnot.)

When was the last time you saw Mike Zeck Secret Wars covers in a gallery?

Suffice it to say, I didn't look at ANY other original art.

It seems the original art biz is quite the racket...I think I'm gonna sharpen my skills, draw some covers, and sell them for thousands of dollars.

What a scam.

Any proponents of the obscene prices for original art, speak up!

I thought it was funny that Bendis asked Mike Mayhew "do you want me to finish it for you?"

Hey Zeph I will be at the SDCC this year, are you going to try to make it to it?

There are so many factors that effect the prices of comic art it is crazy. You really have to know you stuff to collect it outside of a narrow focus. Look at the range of Kirbys art. You might pay in the 10's of thousands for a cover or a key FF or Cap page and as low as a few hundred for a Kirby western page or one from the 70's. You have some young "hot at the moment artist" selling pages in the thousands and you wonder why a Kirby Demon page only gets a few hundred.

Some items to consider:
1) Who the artist is. (penciler & inker both)
2) What is the title they are most known for. (like Frank Miller Dark Knight Batman, Dare Devil, or Sin City pages)
3) What are the characters on the artwork
4) What part of the story is it.
5) Cover or inside page
6) How available is their artwork? (like Dave Sim Cerebus pages or David Lapham Stray bullets pages)
7) anything else thats important to you.

I have been mostly collecting valiant artwork but do have a list of artists and works I would like to own some day. Like a Ron Lim on Silver Surfer, Dale Keown on Hulk, Kelly Jones on Batman, THB by Paul Pope, Silversrti on X-Men, Lee on Wildcats, Charest on Wildcats, Romita JR on Punisher WZ, and many others.

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:52:51 pm

architect wrote:
The Spider wrote:Didn't see you there, Zeph, but I did go and send my unsigned BIRTH OF THE DEFIANT UNIVERSE to CGC, and got it back today. It was a 9.8 (and blue labeled).
Very nice!!! Are you keeping that or putting it on eBay?

-A

Dunno yet. Probably might sell soon.

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:00:35 pm

"WIZARD" world

bah humbug...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:04:37 am

x-omatic wrote:
Hey Zeph I will be at the SDCC this year, are you going to try to make it to it?

No clue.

Been 'meaning to go' for about 15 years now...never made it.

There are so many factors that effect the prices of comic art it is crazy. You really have to know you stuff to collect it outside of a narrow focus. Look at the range of Kirbys art. You might pay in the 10's of thousands for a cover or a key FF or Cap page and as low as a few hundred for a Kirby western page or one from the 70's. You have some young "hot at the moment artist" selling pages in the thousands and you wonder why a Kirby Demon page only gets a few hundred.

Some items to consider:
1) Who the artist is. (penciler & inker both)
2) What is the title they are most known for. (like Frank Miller Dark Knight Batman, Dare Devil, or Sin City pages)
3) What are the characters on the artwork
4) What part of the story is it.
5) Cover or inside page
6) How available is their artwork? (like Dave Sim Cerebus pages or David Lapham Stray bullets pages)
7) anything else thats important to you.

Naturally, and all of this goes without saying to you and I.

But you still haven't convinced me that Zeck's cover to Secret Wars #9 is 'worth' $4000. And I'm a Zeck fan! (which, of course, is why I asked about it.)

It DOES NOT SURPRISE me that Dark Knight pages sell for $3000-$10,000. It does not surprise me that Daredevil Elektra pages sell for $5000 each.

Frank Miller is the PINNACLE of the artform.

It DOES surprise me that MM #15 sold for $12,000, especially when I coulda bought it for $600...damn it!

It DOES surprise me that, for the same price as a Dark Knight page, I can only get a Zeck Secret Wars cover. <zzzzzzzzzzzzz>

Makes no sense.

The cover to Punisher limited #1 or #3? YEAH, you bet! It's his best known stuff.

But Secret Wars #9????

Sorry, I don't buy it.

I have been mostly collecting valiant artwork but do have a list of artists and works I would like to own some day. Like a Ron Lim on Silver Surfer, Dale Keown on Hulk, Kelly Jones on Batman, THB by Paul Pope, Silversrti on X-Men, Lee on Wildcats, Charest on Wildcats, Romita JR on Punisher WZ, and many others.

COMICKINGS · Post by **COMICKINGS** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:33:35 am

Zeck has got alot of fans with money to pay for his art...$4k for that cover is pretty steep...but the guy has done some awesome stuff and has a style unlike others.I've always liked his stuff,but his stuff is too expensive for me.I can't see any piece of his appreciating too much any time soon if it cost $3-4k.It is a racket,and the days of getting a deal are pretty much gone thanks to the Ebay world.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:22:09 am

COMICKINGS wrote:Zeck has got alot of fans with money to pay for his art

I AGREE! His Punisher Limited #1, 3, and Batman #417, and 419 are EASILY worth that much....and if I had money to burn, I'd EASILY drop $5K on Amazing Spidey #285...it's, by far, my favorite Zeck cover EVER...

But...Secret Wars #9?

...$4k for that cover is pretty steep...but the guy has done some awesome stuff and has a style unlike others.I've always liked his stuff,but his stuff is too expensive for me.I can't see any piece of his appreciating too much any time soon if it cost $3-4k.It is a racket,and the days of getting a deal are pretty much gone thanks to the Ebay world.

Original Art is such a crap shoot.

Too iffy for me.

Back to WWLA...

I saw one of Jason Ewert's Batman #232 9.8's (this is specifically for you, PP)...it was flawless. In fact, the gents who bought it from him said that JASON said 'Well...it's the BETTER of the 9.8's, and that he didn't want to SAY it should have been a 9.9....but, to me, it's a 9.9, barring interior stuff (which I mentioned.)

He asked 'how much you wanna pay for it.' I laughed and said '$1200'.

He laughed, too.

He remembers, by the way, YOUR copy, PP, selling for $1200.

Anyhoo....fun stuff, fun stuff....I made some AMAZING contacts, and we'll see if anything pans out. I cannot WAIT to start getting proofs made at the printer for my variant guide....it's a hell of a lot of work...I wouldn't recommend such a project to ANYONE but the most dead of diehards...

...the unbelievability of variants out there is astonishing....

And I'm excited about it. If I REALLY put some effort into it, it could be published as early as Summer, 2006.

Of course, a WHOLE LOTTA dominos have to fall into place before that happens.

Phew!

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:31:41 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Spent about $2000. (not so good. )

I wish I had $2k I could do that to.

~The Unblessed Soul

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:10:49 am

Unblessed wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Spent about $2000. (not so good. )
I wish I had $2k I could do that to.

~The Unblessed Soul

You could sell the Z4 . . .

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:43:47 pm

Spent about $2000. (not so good. Wink)

All at bargain prices though right? Good for you, support our hobby!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:16:21 pm

whetteon wrote:
Spent about $2000. (not so good. Wink)
All at bargain prices though right? Good for you, support our hobby!

Sure!

Lessee, I bought a white USM #1 for $1500.

Two Harbinger #0 pinks, ungraded, $200 each.

And 200 copies of Turok #1 for 50 cents!

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:32:40 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote: You could sell the Z4 . . .

Yeah, and I could quit eating, breathing, and drinking water too.

~The Unblessed Soul

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:34:04 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Two Harbinger #0 pinks, ungraded, $200 each.

And 200 copies of Turok #1 for 50 cents!

Wow. you got ripped off. What are you using the Turoks for? Wall paper or tiles?

~The Unblessed Soul

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:42:29 pm

Unblessed wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote: You could sell the Z4 . . .
Yeah, and I could quit eating, breathing, and drinking water too.

~The Unblessed Soul

Hey... you should check out this thread.....you would fit right in with the topic if you give those up.

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:12:22 pm

Unblessed wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Two Harbinger #0 pinks, ungraded, $200 each.

And 200 copies of Turok #1 for 50 cents!
Wow. you got ripped off. What are you using the Turoks for? Wall paper or tiles?

~The Unblessed Soul

That's an awesome idea! Uncut covers would make great wallpaper!

Or take out the whole inside of the comic and put it together. Brilliant, just brilliant.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:50:10 pm

Or even build a house with all the extra Turoks! Entirely Turok #1 house! Of course it would suck when it rained but you live in the desert so no worries!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:04:45 am

DJSpecter wrote:
Unblessed wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Two Harbinger #0 pinks, ungraded, $200 each.

And 200 copies of Turok #1 for 50 cents!
Wow. you got ripped off. What are you using the Turoks for? Wall paper or tiles?

~The Unblessed Soul
That's an awesome idea! Uncut covers would make great wallpaper!

Or take out the whole inside of the comic and put it together. Brilliant, just brilliant.

I've always wanted to tile one of my bathrooms with Bloodshot chromium. Of course it would have to be a bathroom that my wife never sets foot in.