Is Milestone a Dead Universe (still) or not ?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:49 pm

With all the recent 'stuff' going on in the DC Universe... what is the DU sections consensus on this title? Is Milestone a Dead Universe or not ?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:00 pm

They published a finite amount of books and unless they revisit the previous continuity then what was should remain Dead.

Even if DC put out new books they would have to reference old continuity to make me feel any different.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:26 pm

Isnt Icon or Static coming back into the DC light ? That way would you consider them to be back ?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:31 pm

No! Banish this Milestone to the Negative Zone.

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:34 pm

Unless they start printiing again under that exact imprint, I'd still say it's a DU.
We'll have to see how the couple characters they are incorporating into the mainstream DCU are treated.

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:08 pm

I agree with turborip, unless they actually bring back the Milestone imprint, this should stay a DU.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:24 am

Knightt wrote:Isnt Icon or Static coming back into the DC light ? That way would you consider them to be back ?

I believe they will use teh feedback from the latest JLA story to see who they can give a mini series to, but my point is that unless they are directly linking the use of teh characters now to the old ontinuity then they are essentially a new set of characters.

If they connect the two then it is officially nbo longer dead.

I think DC will snaser this for us and leave no room for further discussion.

Maybe some can mesage Dwayne Mcduffie and get the defifnitive abswer right there bang on the money.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:03 pm

It WILL be interesting as to how this will develop. I would hate to lose a DU but if it comes back and is a success, then all the better.

Kinda like if Crossgen came back and held to the same standards, ya know ? Now THAT would make my day.

Having JUST started Milestone, I do not have a lot of time/emotion invested in it but I agree with Draco, if they stick to the old continuity, then 'they are back', 'DU gone' (but we 'could') keep it on the list for old times sake OR save it off in an archieve. If the characters come back and are different from when they 'left off' years ago then they can stay a DU.

When we come to a consensus, we will decide what to do.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:11 pm

Knightt wrote:It WILL be interesting as to how this will develop. I would hate to lose a DU but if it comes back and is a success, then all the better.

Kinda like if Crossgen came back and held to the same standards, ya know ? Now THAT would make my day.

Having JUST started Milestone, I do not have a lot of time/emotion invested in it but I agree with Draco, if they stick to the old continuity, then 'they are back', 'DU gone' (but we 'could') keep it on the list for old times sake OR save it off in an archieve. If the characters come back and are different from when they 'left off' years ago then they can stay a DU.

When we come to a consensus, we will decide what to do.

Sounds like a plan Hannibal.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:43 pm

Which Hannibal are you referring to ?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:15 pm

Knightt wrote:Which Hannibal are you referring to ?

"Aint getting me on no plane fool"

lol.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:58 pm

Yes. The new appearanmces are not a direct continuation of the old Milestone universe, but rather a new iteraion of very similar versions of the same charcters within the DCU.

What comlicates the matter is that there are a couple of issues due intended to act as a coda to the old Milestone universe, so until they have been and gone, it is technically not a DU...

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:36 pm

I don't know how this affects your collecting of the issues, but it looks like DC is publishing trades of the previous material. Looks like the first STATIC SHOCK is getting a new printing in the latest solicits.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:04 am

Brian Thomer wrote:I don't know how this affects your collecting of the issues, but it looks like DC is publishing trades of the previous material. Looks like the first STATIC SHOCK is getting a new printing in the latest solicits.

Yes, the first four issues of the ongoing as well as the 4 issue mini series.

I ahve what I feel is a complete collection, including the 2 tpb's, but I will buy the new collected editions. If only DC would try out the omnibus route that Marvel has commenced, collecting 25 issues or so at a time. In some ways Milestone could benefit from such an approach very well indeed.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:14 am

I'm keeping it as a DU for now.

Izzat cool wit you guyses?

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:06 am

Knightt wrote:I'm keeping it as a DU for now.

Izzat cool wit you guyses?

I think that is the right call. In essence there will be two Milestones. one is the seperate, distinct universe (soon to be concluded), and the other is part of the DCU albeit with a very similar history.

The (old) Milestone books (and the specials to conclude the dangling storylines from all those years ago) will be done and distinct for what they are.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:28 am

Milestone is dead.

They are not publishing new Milestone books they are just using characters in the same way they did with Charlton, Fawcett and others which are all dead.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:24 am

I'm thinking that seeing as how the 'Milestone' books bear the 'Milestone' symbol, it defines that DU.

Just as with the NewUniversal books from Marvel... different characters, same concept but way different from the original New Universe books. It was great to see these forms of the characters show up recently (and made a great mini series) but withouth that New Universe stamp... it remains.

georgewlea · Post by **georgewlea** » Fri May 15, 2009 10:32 am

In the recent pages of batman and on line Dan DiDio was asked about the milestone universe he said they are polanning on bringing it back into the multiverse and they said they wouls start all over again and ignore ALL previous crossovers and interactions with the DC Universe

So it's all starting over again with a blank slate

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri May 15, 2009 11:35 am

georgewlea wrote:In the recent pages of batman and on line Dan DiDio was asked about the milestone universe he said they are polanning on bringing it back into the multiverse and they said they wouls start all over again and ignore ALL previous crossovers and interactions with the DC Universe

So it's all starting over again with a blank slate

There I fixed yer double post.

Well with that being said, the Milestone Universe that I have in my comic boxes, remains intact and I will think of it as the original universe.

This whole fad of bringing back the old characters and 'giving them a fresh slate' is just a bad excuse for writers and their inability or not wanting to stick with the original canon. Sure it would be difficult to bring them back with the history intact but thats work, right ?

And from what I gather this last DC mini series pretty much started many things with a clean slate ?

I know that I am greatly disappointed to see that pic of Batman in a cave drawing a bat symbol along with other cave drawings. Darksied's 'omega beams' (?) not only destroy but they are also listed as being able to teleport beings to other places/times. I just don't like them messing with The Batman like that.

OK OK, back to Milestone... there were a few crossover events with the regular characters in the DC universe, I guess all that never happened ?

Geez, I am getting so disgusted with this 'ok lets shake the Etch-N-Sketch and start over again. It invalidates some incredible work from creators in the past that have crafted a very good history (for the most part). Sure there might be a few bumps in the history, but try to smooth them over and drive on... don't just erase them.

georgewlea · Post by **georgewlea** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:33 pm

Its annoyed me too

I read about it on wikipedia and there is a link there to another page where he tells newsarama all bout the new ideas being brought up by Dwayne McDuffie and that the dakotaverse is now officially a place in the Dc Universe

I hate it when they do stories and crossovers then years later retcon it so it never happened marvel & DC are the biggest culprits for doing this what does anyone else think

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:48 pm

It first off makes no sense for Superman, Icon, and company to just forget that they already met unless those versions of those characters no longer exist in the current DCU. What I mean is: the Superman and the Icon that met were wiped out their respective universes in a Crisis on Infinite Earths type style and were reborn with no knowledge of their previous lives which given DiBio's stupidity I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

Second it's insult to the fans, that cared and supported for those characters through the years to have their Universe destroyed because a group of writers are too damn lazy to read a bunch of comics from the 1990s because they then to think that all the characters from the 90s are "gun-toting mother hating psychopaths that are barely recognizable from the villains they fight." Guess which current hotshot writer said that? Unless of course the same hotshot writer and his ilk writes about those said characters then they must be good.

georgewlea · Post by **georgewlea** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:51 pm

its annoyed me

dwayne mcduffie is reintroducing the universe slowly into the justice League he's writing but it seems stupid to me as he wrote the first time they crossed over with each other in July'94

Dan DiDio is bringing everyone back to life and all we need now is charlton brought back too:insane:

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed May 20, 2009 6:58 pm

The answer is simple. Didio must be prevented from creating another comic book. Perhaps we can find pictures of him with a goat? Maybe even getting his "ideas" from the goat? Anybody with me?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:35 pm

Yeah, I am pulling this 'dead thread' outta toll booth b!tches because after glancing through recent issues of Xombi and now the New 52 trash hit Static Shock and even DU member georgewlea coming back from the dead (hey bro) recently, I am in full support of many in this thread who say Milestone should stay a DU. None of the new books even come close to recapturing the 'defining my race by use of language and racial stereotyping in comics' vibe that the older line had nor does it seem to be a continuation of previous story lines, so the old stuff stays 'dead'.

I've not read this DU from cradle to grave (I don't even have a 100% in this collection, and may not want to) but the more I read it, the more the I think it pushes the envelope of racism. Every so often I actually read something that makes me feel 'that was unessessary. It is just me but I don't want to forget that racism ever happened but I also don't want it forced down my throat by hearing it brought up all the time. I.e if people would just treat each other halfway decent, a few generations from now the whole brown/white issue will be like this DU... an issue of the past.

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