Valiant Toys

[X-O HoboJoe]

Shouldn't there be a pipe and a can of spinach?

[Daniel Jackson]

Shouldn't there be a pipe and a can of spinach?

Poor Popeye...

[adammikael]

I want one. someone make me one. no, make me two. one to display and one to horde!

[Dr. Solar]

I want one. someone make me one. no, make me two. one to display and one to horde!

Adam and his toy horde will be invading China soon.

(see: horde v hoard)

[JustCallMeAric]

That's all I've got...

...except for this bad boy:

His head looks to flat on the top

[JustCallMeAric]

Shouldn't there be a pipe and a can of spinach?

WTF is this!!!!!!! They ruined a great character

[Vault-Keeper]

That's all I've got...

...except for this bad boy:

His head looks to flat on the top

...and the paint job isn't 'gritty' enough.....

[ManofTheAtom]

Shouldn't there be a pipe and a can of spinach?

WTF is this!!!!!!! They ruined a great character

Don't worry, hopefully we'll never see his kind again

X-O Manowar came back in the hardcover. Let's celebrate that

[sanman]

Don't worry, hopefully we'll never see his kind again

I’m pleasantly surprised but VE is almost ignoring the VH-2 and VH-3 atrocities in favor of the pre-Unity Valiant era. I suppose that we’re looking at pics of what should not have been. Can’t wait to see some VH-1 action figures!

[ManofTheAtom]

Don't worry, hopefully we'll never see his kind again

I’m pleasantly surprised but VE is almost ignoring the VH-2 and VH-3 atrocities in favor of the pre-Unity Valiant era. I suppose that we’re looking at pics of what should not have been.

Truth is that I fully expect VEI to exploit the VH 2 properties some how. They do need to find a way to get a return for their investment.

Hopefully, however, that exploitation will be in a way that is benefitial to the original characters and not detrimental, so hopefully they won't do a multiverse or some other stuff like that that is contradictory of the VALIANT Universe.

Whatever way they find to exploit stuff like Troublemakers, Trinity Angels, Q&W, and the rehashes of the original character will, hopefully, work in a way that doesn't harm the original concepts.

Can’t wait to see some VH-1 action figures!

I can't wait either

[tssgery]

That's all I've got...

...except for this bad boy:

The paintjob on mine is a little different.

Is yours signed by Joe Quesada, Jorge Gonzalez, Jimmy Palmiotti, and Shawn Nagle... like mine?

[JustCallMeAric]

I would like to see some V3 Shadowman in the future

[Daniel Jackson]

I would like to see some V3 Shadowman in the future

Me too.

[Leatus IV]

I'll buy it and set it with my toybiz Iron Man figures from the 90's how sweet would that display be!!(I truly hope you can detect my sarcasm that figure sucks lol)

[sanman]

Hopefully, however, that exploitation will be in a way that is benefitial to the original characters and not detrimental, so hopefully they won't do a multiverse or some other stuff like that that is contradictory of the VALIANT Universe.

Whatever way they find to exploit stuff like Troublemakers, Trinity Angels, Q&W, and the rehashes of the original character will, hopefully, work in a way that doesn't harm the original concepts.

Still a VH-1 purest—sorry—but I recognize the potential value in Acclaim’s unique characters. On the other hand, I could tolerate a multiverse or occasional mini.

As long as pre-Unity is highly represented I’ll be fine—I’m not a "gotta have em all" guy anyway.

[ManofTheAtom]

Hopefully, however, that exploitation will be in a way that is benefitial to the original characters and not detrimental, so hopefully they won't do a multiverse or some other stuff like that that is contradictory of the VALIANT Universe.

Whatever way they find to exploit stuff like Troublemakers, Trinity Angels, Q&W, and the rehashes of the original character will, hopefully, work in a way that doesn't harm the original concepts.

Still a VH-1 purest—sorry—but I recognize the potential value in Acclaim’s unique characters. On the other hand, I could tolerate a multiverse or occasional mini.

As long as pre-Unity is highly represented I’ll be fine—I’m not a "gotta have em all" guy anyway.

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

[Vault-Keeper]

Hopefully, however, that exploitation will be in a way that is benefitial to the original characters and not detrimental, so hopefully they won't do a multiverse or some other stuff like that that is contradictory of the VALIANT Universe.

Whatever way they find to exploit stuff like Troublemakers, Trinity Angels, Q&W, and the rehashes of the original character will, hopefully, work in a way that doesn't harm the original concepts.

Still a VH-1 purest—sorry—but I recognize the potential value in Acclaim’s unique characters. On the other hand, I could tolerate a multiverse or occasional mini.

As long as pre-Unity is highly represented I’ll be fine—I’m not a "gotta have em all" guy anyway.

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

I say sell the Goat to DC, so he can join the Legion....

[ManofTheAtom]

Hopefully, however, that exploitation will be in a way that is benefitial to the original characters and not detrimental, so hopefully they won't do a multiverse or some other stuff like that that is contradictory of the VALIANT Universe.

Whatever way they find to exploit stuff like Troublemakers, Trinity Angels, Q&W, and the rehashes of the original character will, hopefully, work in a way that doesn't harm the original concepts.

Still a VH-1 purest—sorry—but I recognize the potential value in Acclaim’s unique characters. On the other hand, I could tolerate a multiverse or occasional mini.

As long as pre-Unity is highly represented I’ll be fine—I’m not a "gotta have em all" guy anyway.

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

I say sell the Goat to DC, so he can join the Legion....

Sell off their unwanted assets .

Q&W with the goat to DC, Troublemakers to Marvel, and Trinity Angels to Vivid Entertainment.

[sanman]

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

Agreed, I would not want to see the DC-like crossover for the same reasons. Then again I would not shed any tears if VH-2 and VH-3 were ignored altogether.

As far as Rai #0? Maybe not a popular idea, but for the sake of VE being able to move forward some retcon may be necessary. I’d prefer a Valiant Universe with an alive Jack and Tohru in regular continuity for starters…

[ManofTheAtom]

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

Agreed, I would not want to see the DC-like crossover for the same reasons. Then again I would not shed any tears if VH-2 and VH-3 were ignored altogether.

As far as Rai #0? Maybe not a popular idea, but for the sake of VE being able to move forward some retcon may be necessary. I’d prefer a Valiant Universe with an alive Jack and Tohru in regular continuity for starters…

That's lame, man.

Both characters died real heroic deaths, why undo that?

Look at what DC is doing with Barry Allen. They brought him back out of fanboism and undid his sacrifice in Crisis just to pander to their nostalgia.

[Vault-Keeper]

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

Agreed, I would not want to see the DC-like crossover for the same reasons. Then again I would not shed any tears if VH-2 and VH-3 were ignored altogether.

As far as Rai #0? Maybe not a popular idea, but for the sake of VE being able to move forward some retcon may be necessary. I’d prefer a Valiant Universe with an alive Jack and Tohru in regular continuity for starters…

That's lame, man.

Both characters died real heroic deaths, why undo that?

Look at what DC is doing with Barry Allen. They brought him back out of fanboism and undid his sacrifice in Crisis just to pander to their nostalgia.

Mike, just wondering, do you have a 'life' outside of the comic-book world? I say this not to be an a$$ as much as to say that it isn't healthy to obsess on every little thing you don't like. In fact, I find it condescending and quite annoying. You are no Seaborn Adamson, so quit trying to make it like you created Valiant. Please.


Would you still like Valiant if the X-O Bike had been used in RAI #0?

[ManofTheAtom]

There's no room for a multiverse at VALIANT, though. Such a thing invalidates the whole of Rai #0.

VEI can publish VALIANT and VH 2 comics without having them ever crossover, like Marvel has been doing with the Ultimate Universe and the 616 reality.

Of course, even such a notion sounds off since it would still water down the original characters and stories.

It be great if VEI could find a way to exploit their investment in a matter that isn't detrimental to the original characters, as a multiverse would be.

Agreed, I would not want to see the DC-like crossover for the same reasons. Then again I would not shed any tears if VH-2 and VH-3 were ignored altogether.

As far as Rai #0? Maybe not a popular idea, but for the sake of VE being able to move forward some retcon may be necessary. I’d prefer a Valiant Universe with an alive Jack and Tohru in regular continuity for starters…

That's lame, man.

Both characters died real heroic deaths, why undo that?

Look at what DC is doing with Barry Allen. They brought him back out of fanboism and undid his sacrifice in Crisis just to pander to their nostalgia.

Mike, just wondering, do you have a 'life' outside of the comic-book world? I say this not to be an a$$ as much as to say that it isn't healthy to obsess on every little thing you don't like. In fact, I find it condescending and quite annoying. You are no Seaborn Adamson, so quit trying to make it like you created Valiant. Please.


Would you still like Valiant if the X-O Bike had been used in RAI #0?

It wasn't, so it's a dumb question.

I like VALIANT exactly because stories like Rai #0 didn't use idiotic crap like the X-O bike, or the goat, or heroes who died and then came back, or any of the other crap we see at DC and Marvel.

The idea here is for VEI to make VALIANT comics (which so far they have). The moment they do comics in which dead heroes come back and travel across the multiverse with the goat, then they're no longer making VALIANT comics and are instead making DC comics.

VALIANT has to be an alternative to DC and Marvel, and not do the same exact thing they do, which means not having dead characters come back, not having super pets, not having a multiverse, and not having any of the other crap you find at DC and Marvel.

VALIANT had very clear ideas as to how their universe worked, and hopefully VEI will continue to respect them and not invalidate them because it be cool to have Jack Boniface and Tohru still alive.

I prefer to have the poignancy and coolness of having Tohru make a stand against Mothergod than having him back to life for no purpose whatsoever.

VEI doesn't need to bring Tohru back to tell stories with him. He spent 158 days in the Lost Land, which is more than enough time to tell stories about him.

How about a story in which Tohru stepped through a portal in the Lost Land that took him to ancient Japan, or the Old American West, or a story in which he fought against Sho Sugino (Rai vs Rai)?

Those stories and others can take place without the character being brought back to life.

[sanman]

That's lame, man.

Both characters died real heroic deaths, why undo that?

Look at what DC is doing with Barry Allen. They brought him back out of fanboism and undid his sacrifice in Crisis just to pander to their nostalgia.

Killing Tohru so early was a missed opportunity. And when I see the VE splah page where both are alive and well I’m thinking their return may be a possibility beyond HC reprints.

I agree that bringing Barry Allen back now is just wrong but bringing back Jack and Tohru could be really foundational since VE won’t have the benefit of the Western Publishing characters. Though both died real heroic deaths, in my opinion, none of their replacements have been able to fill their shoes. And unlike our two heroes, Wally and even Bart were carrying the Flash mantle quite well without Barry’s help.

I do not like the VH-2 Shadowman and could not get into Rai and the Future Force. As much as I plan to support any new Valiant comic effort, I do not see myself shelling out $2.99 if either were relaunched.

[ManofTheAtom]

Killing Tohru so early was a missed opportunity. And when I see the VE splah page where both are alive and well I’m thinking their return may be a possibility beyond HC reprints.

If they come back then so must Torque. Basically what you're suggesting is that no VALIANT character should ever die, they should all come back.

What happened to Dead is Dead?

By that logic they should bring back Rexo, Mahmud, Constantino, and whoever else is on that image that died in the comics.

I agree that bringing Barry Allen back now is just wrong but bringing back Jack and Tohru could be really foundational since VE won’t have the benefit of the Western Publishing characters. Though both died real heroic deaths, in my opinion, none of their replacements have been able to fill their shoes. And unlike our two heroes, Wally and even Bart were carrying the Flash mantle quite well with out Barry’s help.

Not being able to use the Gold Key characters has no bearing on bringing back Jack or Tohru.

VEI can use both characters without bringing them back to life. Tell Tohru stories set during Unity and tell Jack stories set between 96 and 99.

Easy.

I do not like the VH-2 Shadowman and could not get into Rai and the Future Force. As much as I plan to support any new Valiant comic effort, I do not see myself shelling out $2.99 if either were relaunched.

You don't have to worry about the Future Force Rai, he's dead too. The last Rai was Obadiah Konishi, the son of the FF Rai and Leeja Clane.

[sanman]

Killing Tohru so early was a missed opportunity. And when I see the VE splah page where both are alive and well I’m thinking their return may be a possibility beyond HC reprints.

If they come back then so must Torque. Basically what you're suggesting is that no VALIANT character should ever die, they should all come back.

What happened to Dead is Dead?

By that logic they should bring back Rexo, Mahmud, Constantino, and whoever else is on that image that died in the comics.

I agree that bringing Barry Allen back now is just wrong but bringing back Jack and Tohru could be really foundational since VE won’t have the benefit of the Western Publishing characters. Though both died real heroic deaths, in my opinion, none of their replacements have been able to fill their shoes. And unlike our two heroes, Wally and even Bart were carrying the Flash mantle quite well with out Barry’s help.

Not being able to use the Gold Key characters has no bearing on bringing back Jack or Tohru.

VEI can use both characters without bringing them back to life. Tell Tohru stories set during Unity and tell Jack stories set between 96 and 99.

Easy.

I do not like the VH-2 Shadowman and could not get into Rai and the Future Force. As much as I plan to support any new Valiant comic effort, I do not see myself shelling out $2.99 if either were relaunched.

You don't have to worry about the Future Force Rai, he's dead too. The last Rai was Obadiah Konishi, the son of the FF Rai and Leeja Clane.

Dead is not dead—at the end of the day it’s still just a story. And if done right, can be a good thing. Torque can stay dead—wasn’t Harbinger more about some guy named Peter Stanchek anyway?

You have your ideal Valiant universe but I’m just trying to be realistic. I want Valiant to stick around this time. Valiant did things differently from the Big Two—and it was great—but they’re not the ones still producing comics. Maybe it’s VE who can learn a thing or two.

The rest, valid points but to each his own.