Next "new" story?

[ManofTheAtom]

I am not sure how she could use historical data - since history did not record anything about Solar fighting the XO armor on Saturn.

And let me get this straight - you question the technology of being able to have robots 1000 years from now, yet you casually toss out the idea of "a solar system scan" or a "human mission to Saturn".

Should I request that you "prove it"? Is there anything in the comics that "proves" that a) a "scan of the solar system" is possible, or that b) such technology existed by 3050?

You do know what space probes are, right? You have heard of Voyager, right?

NASA has been launching them since the 70's, so it stands to reason that they would keep doing it for the next 2000 years, and that sometime within that time frame one of them would detect an X-O Manowar armor on Saturn.

Then there are of course the human colonies, like the one on Neptune where Torque found Armstrong.

What are the odds that humans had a colony on one of Saturn's moons?

(btw, was the alien on Saturn or one of its moons? I forget)

[cjv]

I am not sure how she could use historical data - since history did not record anything about Solar fighting the XO armor on Saturn.

And let me get this straight - you question the technology of being able to have robots 1000 years from now, yet you casually toss out the idea of "a solar system scan" or a "human mission to Saturn".

Should I request that you "prove it"? Is there anything in the comics that "proves" that a) a "scan of the solar system" is possible, or that b) such technology existed by 3050?

You do know what space probes are, right? You have heard of Voyager, right?

Extrapolating from Voyager to the ability to "scan the solar system"? Gee...that's sounds like extrapolating from our current robotic technology to what robotic technology would be like in 1000 years!

It would take a spacecraft between 10 and 40 years just to travel to Pluto right now. And that is just one space craft not taking into account the various different sensors/cameras that would be need, not taking into account the number of planets that would be "probed", not taking into account the length of time to get an accurate image/photograph and the entire planet's (or moon's) surface (to be able to find a single, human size intert XO armor suit).

And since you aren't allowing for the extrapolation of how current technology advances in the next 1000 years, unless you have proof that in 3050 it doesn't take that long, then you can't assume it does.

NASA has been launching them since the 70's, so it stands to reason that they would keep doing it for the next 2000 years, and that sometime within that time frame one of them would detect an X-O Manowar armor on Saturn.

Remember, we are only talking 1000 years - till 3050 or so - not 2000 years.

And if you can use the line "it stands to reason" - well then, we have been developing robots for the past 10-20 years, "it stands to reason" that we would keep doing it for the next 1000 years, and that sometime in that time frame there would be some advances in technology to allow preprogrammed autonomous robots (which we actually have NOW).

Then there are of course the human colonies, like the one on Neptune where Torque found Armstrong.

What are the odds that humans had a colony on one of Saturn's moons?

(btw, was the alien on Saturn or one of its moons? I forget)

I believe it was on a moon.

Also, the colony on Neptune was over 1000 years AFTER this proto-Rai we are talking about. Unless you have PROOF that such colonies existed around 3000, you can't make that assumption. (Again, you made the rules, I am just playing by them).

Is there proof that there were human colonies in space around the year 3000?

Chris

[X-O HoboJoe]

Actuallly, I would say that 1A was pretty advanced. The first robot tech officer! Wow, before him robots weren't advanced enough to be in the Solar Fleet - all they could do were the relatively simple tasks that they were programmed for.

Did I say giant robot? I don't recall saying it.

Anyway, even if I did, it was probably used as an example. It doesn't have to be a "giant robot". It could be anything. Hell, it could be a gun

Depends on the kind of robot. One without the required computer/brain capacity might not even be capable of going freewill, any more than a pda is capable of solving complex modelling equations even though they are both computers.

I never said it had to be a free will. I initially just suggested a robot, then posited that it could potentially be a free will. You then started arguing that it couldn't even be a robot!

First freewill robot. AS you have pointed out, Grandmother was not a robot. Her mainframe may have been complex enough (much like a positronic brain in a robot) to allow her to go freewill.

You seem to be getting the point, but somehow it keeps eluding you.

In the timeframe being discussed, 3050 to 3216, robots were not sofisticated enough (if they existed at all) to be warriors like the kind that Grandmother would need to protect Japan.

Whatever she could have created back then would not be a robot, and it would not be a champion, and it would not be a guardian. It be nothing more than weapons that she would control.

Just for perspective are we talking current Japan or giant-flying-lizard-in-space-Japan?

The latter

Roger.

Um.. it's Mike.

I was only gone for less than two weeks and you already forgot my name ( )

They say the memory's the second thing to go . . .

[cjv]

BTW MOTA, if you can "prove" that the technology and plotlines you suggested (colony on a moon of jupiter, advanced "probes" of the universe, etc) are possible in 3050 based on material that is stated in the comic books (which is the same standard you insist that everyone else use) then I am perfectly happy to contemplate those ideas.

Actually, I like those ideas a lot already. I like the idea of Grandmother using the X0 armor (or at least using the XO armor technology, perhaps in conjunction with some of Ax's ideas on my cyborgs).

However, I don't think you can insist other have to "prove" their ideas and then not have to do the same. So I hope you can "prove" them.

Chris

[cjv]

You seem to be getting the point, but somehow it keeps eluding you.

In the timeframe being discussed, 3050 to 3216, robots were not sofisticated enough (if they existed at all) to be warriors like the kind that Grandmother would need to protect Japan.

Whatever she could have created back then would not be a robot, and it would not be a champion, and it would not be a guardian. It be nothing more than weapons that she would control.

Just for perspective are we talking current Japan or giant-flying-lizard-in-space-Japan?

The latter

Roger.

Um.. it's Mike.

I was only gone for less than two weeks and you already forgot my name ( )

They say the memory's the second thing to go . . .

Who! What? Where did it go? Is that mine?

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

Extrapolating from Voyager to the ability to "scan the solar system"? Gee...that's sounds like extrapolating from our current robotic technology to what robotic technology would be like in 1000 years!

It would take a spacecraft between 10 and 40 years just to travel to Pluto right now. And that is just one space craft not taking into account the various different sensors/cameras that would be need, not taking into account the number of planets that would be "probed", not taking into account the length of time to get an accurate image/photograph and the entire planet's (or moon's) surface (to be able to find a single, human size intert XO armor suit).

And since you aren't allowing for the extrapolation of how current technology advances in the next 1000 years, unless you have proof that in 3050 it doesn't take that long, then you can't assume it does.

How are you assuming that the scan of the solar system I'm talking about would happen? It wouldn't happen from Earth, it would happen through space probes scattered throughout the solar system over the next 2000 years, as well as space stations like the one seen in Psi-Lords that was located near Neptune.

In Psi-Lords we saw that Titan had been colonized. Titan is just another moon of Saturn, like Dione, where the fight with the alien took place on.

If they could colonize Titan why not Dione, and if they could colonize Dione why couldn't they find the X-O Manowar armor?

Remember, we are only talking 1000 years - till 3050 or so - not 2000 years.

Well, our time frame is more like 1,200 since our limit is 3216.

And if you can use the line "it stands to reason" - well then, we have been developing robots for the past 10-20 years, "it stands to reason" that we would keep doing it for the next 1000 years, and that sometime in that time frame there would be some advances in technology to allow preprogrammed autonomous robots (which we actually have NOW).

Not in the VALIANT Universe. In it, robots didn't appear until after the timeframe being discussed.

I believe it was on a moon.

Dione, just checked.

Also, the colony on Neptune was over 1000 years AFTER this proto-Rai we are talking about. Unless you have PROOF that such colonies existed around 3000, you can't make that assumption. (Again, you made the rules, I am just playing by them).

Is there proof that there were human colonies in space around the year 3000?

Check the comics and let me know.

[ManofTheAtom]

BTW MOTA, if you can "prove" that the technology and plotlines you suggested (colony on a moon of jupiter, advanced "probes" of the universe, etc) are possible in 3050 based on material that is stated in the comic books (which is the same standard you insist that everyone else use) then I am perfectly happy to contemplate those ideas.

Actually, I like those ideas a lot already. I like the idea of Grandmother using the X0 armor (or at least using the XO armor technology, perhaps in conjunction with some of Ax's ideas on my cyborgs).

However, I don't think you can insist other have to "prove" their ideas and then not have to do the same. So I hope you can "prove" them.

Chris

It's an impossible standard to meet given the limited exploration of the time frame being discussed.

[cjv]

How are you assuming that the scan of the solar system I'm talking about would happen? It wouldn't happen from Earth, it would happen through space probes scattered throughout the solar system over the next 2000 years, as well as space stations like the one seen in Psi-Lords that was located near Neptune.

As I said, prove they exist. Prove space stations, "probes scattered throughout the solar system" exist in 3050 (or close to that time). A lot of the stuff you are talking about existed almost 1000 years AFTER that time (when Magnus was around), but that doesn't mean that they existed in 3050, anymore than (according to you) having robots in the year 4000 proves they existed in 3050.

In Psi-Lords we saw that Titan had been colonized. Titan is just another moon of Saturn, like Dione, where the fight with the alien took place on.

Yes...almost 1000 years AFTER the timeframe we are talking about for a proto-Rai.

If they could colonize Titan why not Dione, and if they could colonize Dione why couldn't they find the X-O Manowar armor?

Maybe they did, almost 1000 years AFTER Grandmother was made sentient and tried to develop her proto-Rai.

Look - if (according to you) the presence of robots in 4000AD doesn't mean that you can assume robots existed in 3000AD, then why does the presence of a base on Dione mean you can assume there were man bases in 3000AD?

Remember, we are only talking 1000 years - till 3050 or so - not 2000 years.

Well, our time frame is more like 1,200 since our limit is 3216.

Yeah 1200 years from now, or 800 years (give or take) from when Magnus was around, when the moon base on Saturn existed, etc.

Not in the VALIANT Universe. In it, robots didn't appear until after the timeframe being discussed.

Well, by that logic, the same holds true about the moon base and such.

BTW, areyou saying that in the Valiant Universe, 1992 (or 2008, or whatever) - they don't have the same level of technology that we do? Because we have robots now...they don't?

Also, the colony on Neptune was over 1000 years AFTER this proto-Rai we are talking about. Unless you have PROOF that such colonies existed around 3000, you can't make that assumption. (Again, you made the rules, I am just playing by them).

Is there proof that there were human colonies in space around the year 3000?

Check the comics and let me know.

You always say that I have to PROVE something can happen. Don't you have to do the same? Or do the "MOTA Rules" not apply to you?

Personally, I say that CAN exist. But I am just trying to make sure you are holding yourself to the same standard that you want to hold everyone else.

Chris

[cjv]

BTW MOTA, if you can "prove" that the technology and plotlines you suggested (colony on a moon of jupiter, advanced "probes" of the universe, etc) are possible in 3050 based on material that is stated in the comic books (which is the same standard you insist that everyone else use) then I am perfectly happy to contemplate those ideas.

Actually, I like those ideas a lot already. I like the idea of Grandmother using the X0 armor (or at least using the XO armor technology, perhaps in conjunction with some of Ax's ideas on my cyborgs).

However, I don't think you can insist other have to "prove" their ideas and then not have to do the same. So I hope you can "prove" them.

Chris

It's an impossible standard to meet given the limited exploration of the time frame being discussed.

It's the standard you insist on when other people make suggestions that you don't like or disagree with.

Does that mean you will drop this idea, since it can't be proven (please don't, it's a cool idea). When I suggested something about that "limited time frame", you insisted I had to be able to prove it was true. You said I had to prove robots were around in 3050.

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

It's the standard you insist on when other people make suggestions that you don't like or disagree with.

Does that mean you will drop this idea, since it can't be proven (please don't, it's a cool idea). When I suggested something about that "limited time frame", you insisted I had to be able to prove it was true. You said I had to prove robots were around in 3050.

Chris

The difference between your idea and mine is as follows.

The comics have already established that robots like the one you want cannot exist in the time frame given. Robots would need to be more advanced than ones like 1-A in order to be champions that would serve a purpose.

My idea calls for stuff that is happening now and will continue to happen for the next 1,000 years, like sending space probes to scan planets and moons (i.e. recent discoveries like Pluto not being a planet and Jupiter having rings - if not Jupiter it was a moon of Saturn or something... somethings had rings...)

Your idea of having robots in 3050-3216 that would serve the desired purpose is unsupported by the facts that were established in the comics (i.e. such a robot would need to be more agil and stronger than 1-A's generation of robots).

My idea (that humans will continue to explore the solar system and continue to send probes, etc) is not invalidated by the comics. In fact, given how 1960's science fiction worked, I wouldn't put it past at least ONE issue of Magnus focusing on some sort of space probe that was lost after it was sent into space (or something like that), but since I don't have those issues I can't tell.

[ManofTheAtom]

BTW, areyou saying that in the Valiant Universe, 1992 (or 2008, or whatever) - they don't have the same level of technology that we do? Because we have robots now...they don't?

The barometers by which we judge present day VALIANT comics is not the same as the one used to judge future day VALIANT comics (or science fiction in general).

For instance, in Star Trek the Enteprise had a fax machine and the communicators were like cellphones, both of which exist today.

That makes 2008 similar in some ways to Trek's 24th Century (i.e. faxes and phones), but still disimilar in others (i.e. warp drive and transporters).

With Rai and Magnus, we have robots today, but they don't.

Like all works of science fiction, at one point the VALIANT Universe diverges from the world outside our window into a futuristic world (in this case the one that Russ Manning created).

For Trek, for instance, the divergence was World War III and the Eugenics War, which according to original lore took place in the 1990's. When the 90's came, Paramount changed Trek lore to reflect the world outside our window and say "sure, the Eugenics War happened, but they took place behind the scenes instead of publicly like originally suggested".

VEI could say that robots exist today, or they could say that they don't to keep within the continuity established in Rai and Magnus. Until they publish something that says that, like Paramount did with Trek, they are changing things to better reflect our world (i.e. include robots in the present day series), our discussion has to be limited to the published Rai and Magnus comics (including the Gold Key ones), which showed that robots like the one required for your idea could not exist by 3050-3216.

You always say that I have to PROVE something can happen. Don't you have to do the same? Or do the "MOTA Rules" not apply to you?

Personally, I say that CAN exist. But I am just trying to make sure you are holding yourself to the same standard that you want to hold everyone else.

Why should I be the only one that opens his comics to quote dialogue or scenes? I think it's everyone else's turn to do that

[cjv]

It's the standard you insist on when other people make suggestions that you don't like or disagree with.

Does that mean you will drop this idea, since it can't be proven (please don't, it's a cool idea). When I suggested something about that "limited time frame", you insisted I had to be able to prove it was true. You said I had to prove robots were around in 3050.

Chris

The difference between your idea and mine is as follows.

The comics have already established that robots like the one you want cannot exist in the time frame given. Robots would need to be more advanced than ones like 1-A in order to be champions that would serve a purpose.

The only thing that has been established is that 1A was the first positronic brain robot, and he was the first free will robot.

It's possible that a highly advanced robot existed - but wasn't completely autonomous like positronic brain robots were. Maybe it was basically a computerized tank or computerized helicopter.

My idea calls for stuff that is happening now and will continue to happen for the next 1,000 years, like sending space probes to scan planets and moons (i.e. recent discoveries like Pluto not being a planet and Jupiter having rings - if not Jupiter it was a moon of Saturn or something... somethings had rings...)

ROBOTS ARE "HAPPENING NOW". We have robots that can walk, we have robots that can "see", we have robots that can play chess, we have robots that can avoid objects, hell, we have robots that are TOYS for kids! What possible reason do we have to think that in the next 1000 years there isn't some sort of robot that can acts as a protector/guardian.

It is absolutely ludicrous to think that robot technology won't advance at all.

BTW, it was not a discovery that pluto is not a planet...basically, it was an administrative decision.

Your idea of having robots in 3050-3216 that would serve the desired purpose is unsupported by the facts that were established in the comics (i.e. such a robot would need to be more agil and stronger than 1-A's generation of robots).

Why? Rai certainly wasn't "stronger" than than a robot, although he was potentially more agile. Why does the robot need to be stronger than 1A? Why does it need to be more agile?

Chris

[cjv]

BTW, areyou saying that in the Valiant Universe, 1992 (or 2008, or whatever) - they don't have the same level of technology that we do? Because we have robots now...they don't?

The barometers by which we judge present day VALIANT comics is not the same as the one used to judge future day VALIANT comics (or science fiction in general).

For instance, in Star Trek the Enteprise had a fax machine and the communicators were like cellphones, both of which exist today.

They looked like cell phones, but that is about it. I doubt at all they worked like cell phones...unless you can show me a picture of cell phone towers in outer space!

I never saw a fax machine in TNG, so I don't know about that.

That makes 2008 similar in some ways to Trek's 24th Century (i.e. faxes and phones), but still disimilar in others (i.e. warp drive and transporters).

Presumably the items in TNG have only a passing similarity to the items we have now - look that same, maybe accomplish the same task, but that's about it. That's like saying the hovercars in Magnus are the same as our cars, because they both drive people, they look similar. It completely ignores what they really are.

VEI could say that robots exist today, or they could say that they don't to keep within the continuity established in Rai and Magnus. Until they publish something that says that, like Paramount did with Trek, they are changing things to better reflect our world (i.e. include robots in the present day series), our discussion has to be limited to the published Rai and Magnus comics (including the Gold Key ones), which showed that robots like the one required for your idea could not exist by 3050-3216.

You really are arguing that in the Valiant Universe of 2008, they don't have the same advances in robot technology that do, right here, right now. Aren't you. We have robots, but they don't.

Wow.

Why should I be the only one that opens his comics to quote dialogue or scenes? I think it's everyone else's turn to do that

Well, I don't think you have to "prove it". So if you don't want to, that's fine. But then don't insist that others have to do it.

Getting back to your idea of the XO armor. I like the idea, but rather than use the armor (or the seed) I think it would be interesting if Grandmother instead reverse enginered some technology from it.

Who knows, perhaps something she did lays the groundwork for the development of a positronic brain, making robots much more complex and advanced!


Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

The only thing that has been established is that 1A was the first positronic brain robot, and he was the first free will robot.

It's possible that a highly advanced robot existed - but wasn't completely autonomous like positronic brain robots were. Maybe it was basically a computerized tank or computerized helicopter.

Where did you get the reference that 1-A was the first positronic brain?

I said earlier that anything Grandmother had created before robots existed would be automated weapons (i.e. computized tanks or helicopters), but it wouldn't be robots.

ROBOTS ARE "HAPPENING NOW". We have robots that can walk, we have robots that can "see", we have robots that can play chess, we have robots that can avoid objects, hell, we have robots that are TOYS for kids! What possible reason do we have to think that in the next 1000 years there isn't some sort of robot that can acts as a protector/guardian.

I already told you why, yet you've chosen to ignore it.

The world of the future seen in Rai and Magnus is not the world of OUR future, that's not the world outside our window. Solar's world is.

At some point in VALIANT history, like in EVERY OTHER WORK OF FICTION EVER CREATED there is a point of divergence in which the world outside our window becomes a futuristic world, in this case the one Russ Manning created.

It is absolutely ludicrous to think that robot technology won't advance at all.

Whatever may happen 1000 years from now in our world has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on what has already happened in the Rai and Magnus comics, in which robots advanced as the ones that exist today did not exist, and robots as advanced as a champion would need to be did not exist in 3050-3216.

Why? Rai certainly wasn't "stronger" than than a robot, although he was potentially more agile. Why does the robot need to be stronger than 1A? Why does it need to be more agile?

So that it can be a champion? What do you understand by the word champion?

Grandmother making automated weapons is NOT the same as her creating a champion.

[ManofTheAtom]

You really are arguing that in the Valiant Universe of 2008, they don't have the same advances in robot technology that do, right here, right now. Aren't you. We have robots, but they don't.

Wow.

We won't know if they do or they don't until VEI publishes new comics and address the issue, if at all.

New verse, same as the first.

In all works of fiction, there comes a time when the world outside our window diverges into a futuristic world, in this case the one created by Russ Manning.

In VALIANT's case, that divergent point would be the Harbinger Wars.

It would not matter ONE SINGLE IOTA if VEI published a Harbinger comic set in 2008 that featured a robot that was one million times more advanced than 1-A since, due to the point of divergence, that kind of technology does NOT exist in the future. It was lost, for whatever reason.

What kind of robots we have in 2008 has no bearing on what kind of robots may or may not have existed in VALIANT's 3050-3216 following the point of divergence.

Getting back to your idea of the XO armor. I like the idea, but rather than use the armor (or the seed) I think it would be interesting if Grandmother instead reverse enginered some technology from it.

That might work.

Who knows, perhaps something she did lays the groundwork for the development of a positronic brain, making robots much more complex and advanced!

Freewill as the result of the manowar's sentience machine code infecting human technology

[cjv]

The only thing that has been established is that 1A was the first positronic brain robot, and he was the first free will robot.

It's possible that a highly advanced robot existed - but wasn't completely autonomous like positronic brain robots were. Maybe it was basically a computerized tank or computerized helicopter.

Where did you get the reference that 1-A was the first positronic brain?

I don't remember...I had asked if it was accurate, and no one said it wasn't so I assumed it was. It might have been on wikipedia or something.

Just checked...the wikipedia entry speculated that because of his name (1A) that he might have been the first positronic brain...but it is speculation.

I said earlier that anything Grandmother had created before robots existed would be automated weapons (i.e. computized tanks or helicopters), but it wouldn't be robots.

Newsflash for you - those are robots.

So that it can be a champion? What do you understand by the word champion?

Grandmother making automated weapons is NOT the same as her creating a champion.

Gee, didn't realize that a "champion" had to meet certain strength and agility requirements, otherwise stripped of the title.

A "champion" is simply someone/something that could act as Grandmother agent, either in a combative sense, diplomatic sense, or otherwise. Using one of the definitions of "champion" - one who supports or defends a person or cause.

A semi-autonomous, programmed armed robot acting as Grandmother's defender could be her champion.

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

I don't remember...I had asked if it was accurate, and no one said it wasn't so I assumed it was. It might have been on wikipedia or something.

Just checked...the wikipedia entry speculated that because of his name (1A) that he might have been the first positronic brain...but it is speculation.

Find it in the comics and it counts.

Gee, didn't realize that a "champion" had to meet certain strength and agility requirements, otherwise stripped of the title.

A "champion" is simply someone/something that could act as Grandmother agent, either in a combative sense, diplomatic sense, or otherwise. Using one of the definitions of "champion" - one who supports or defends a person or cause.

A semi-autonomous, programmed armed robot acting as Grandmother's defender could be her champion.

So the mouth gun that Grandmother used to destroy the alien fleet is the proto Rai

[cjv]

Actually there is evidence of highly advanced robots that existed prior to Magnus' time.

Proteus came from 2045 or 2055 (according the entry on the Valiant wikipedia).

Proteus is a highly advanced robot, and existed prior to Magnus' time.

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

Actually there is evidence of highly advanced robots that existed prior to Magnus' time.

Proteus came from 2045 or 2055 (according the entry on the Valiant wikipedia).

Proteus is a highly advanced robot, and existed prior to Magnus' time.

Chris

Until Bloodshot destroyed him, at which point he ceased to exist.

Just because Proteus existed it doesn't mean that others like him could exist as well.

Proteus was an isolated case of a virus that evolved into a nanite-based lifeform that traveled into the past.

[cjv]

I don't remember...I had asked if it was accurate, and no one said it wasn't so I assumed it was. It might have been on wikipedia or something.

Just checked...the wikipedia entry speculated that because of his name (1A) that he might have been the first positronic brain...but it is speculation.

Find it in the comics and it counts.

Gee, didn't realize that a "champion" had to meet certain strength and agility requirements, otherwise stripped of the title.

A "champion" is simply someone/something that could act as Grandmother agent, either in a combative sense, diplomatic sense, or otherwise. Using one of the definitions of "champion" - one who supports or defends a person or cause.

A semi-autonomous, programmed armed robot acting as Grandmother's defender could be her champion.

So the mouth gun that Grandmother used to destroy the alien fleet is the proto Rai

You know, if you aren't even going to read the posts, why bother responding?

Chris

[cjv]

Actually there is evidence of highly advanced robots that existed prior to Magnus' time.

Proteus came from 2045 or 2055 (according the entry on the Valiant wikipedia).

Proteus is a highly advanced robot, and existed prior to Magnus' time.

Chris

Until Bloodshot destroyed him, at which point he ceased to exist.

Just because Proteus existed it doesn't mean that others like him could exist as well.

Proteus was an isolated case of a virus that evolved into a nanite-based lifeform that traveled into the past.

Oh I see...an isolated case.

It happened once..but..but..but...it can't happen ever again!

Whatever man.

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

A semi-autonomous, programmed armed robot acting as Grandmother's defender could be her champion.

Robots like that did not exist in the timeframe being discussed.

[ManofTheAtom]

Actually there is evidence of highly advanced robots that existed prior to Magnus' time.

Proteus came from 2045 or 2055 (according the entry on the Valiant wikipedia).

Proteus is a highly advanced robot, and existed prior to Magnus' time.

Chris

Until Bloodshot destroyed him, at which point he ceased to exist.

Just because Proteus existed it doesn't mean that others like him could exist as well.

Proteus was an isolated case of a virus that evolved into a nanite-based lifeform that traveled into the past.

Oh I see...an isolated case.

It happened once..but..but..but...it can't happen ever again!

Whatever man.

Chris

No, it can't happen again.

The people who created Proteus, Yoshi and Ito, were killed, while Proteus was destroyed.

[X-O HoboJoe]

Actually there is evidence of highly advanced robots that existed prior to Magnus' time.

Proteus came from 2045 or 2055 (according the entry on the Valiant wikipedia).

Proteus is a highly advanced robot, and existed prior to Magnus' time.

Chris

Until Bloodshot destroyed him, at which point he ceased to exist.

Just because Proteus existed it doesn't mean that others like him could exist as well.

Proteus was an isolated case of a virus that evolved into a nanite-based lifeform that traveled into the past.

Oh I see...an isolated case.

It happened once..but..but..but...it can't happen ever again!

Whatever man.

Chris

No, it can't happen again.

The people who created Proteus, Yoshi and Ito, were killed, while Proteus was destroyed.

It seems more plausable that any leftovers would be reverse-engineered than left alone.

[ManofTheAtom]

It seems more plausable that any leftovers would be reverse-engineered than left alone.

The only leftover was Bloodshot, who Proteus infected with a self-replicating nano-virus.

This is just one of the many possible stories that can be explored if VEI picks up from the cliffhangers.