Spider-man: One More Day. Thoughts?

[Lightning Strike]

Was there this much uproar when marvel dragged us through 150 Spiderman comics to tell us the great clone sage story?

Continuity and such ended way long long ago and i dropped the Spiderman books back in 91 due to old toss being offered every month.

What made all these people stay on or start again.

Straczynski's stuff was so overated it makes me laugh.

Sure they ruined twenty years of continuity but of those twenty years how many years were actually worth a toss to start with?

Did fans get as upset over the Clone Saga? Hell, yes! The level of *SQUEE* from the fans over that was legendary.

Was anything in the last 20 years worth keeping? Other than JMS's run, in my opinion, not much. Of course there many fans (some on here) who love those 90's comics. Honestly, love them or hat them, for long time fans (or those who dare to buy trades and back issues) to understand what their reading now it should be there. Otherwise it gets really confusing. Trying being a long time DC fan sometime. LOL

It depends which titles of DC you've been a fan of. Yes, Superman, Legion and some others have been rebooted several times, but Green Lantern and Flash have been very consistent in terms of continuity.

[Todd Luck]

Was there this much uproar when marvel dragged us through 150 Spiderman comics to tell us the great clone sage story?

Continuity and such ended way long long ago and i dropped the Spiderman books back in 91 due to old toss being offered every month.

What made all these people stay on or start again.

Straczynski's stuff was so overated it makes me laugh.

Sure they ruined twenty years of continuity but of those twenty years how many years were actually worth a toss to start with?

Did fans get as upset over the Clone Saga? Hell, yes! The level of *SQUEE* from the fans over that was legendary.

Was anything in the last 20 years worth keeping? Other than JMS's run, in my opinion, not much. Of course there many fans (some on here) who love those 90's comics. Honestly, love them or hat them, for long time fans (or those who dare to buy trades and back issues) to understand what their reading now it should be there. Otherwise it gets really confusing. Trying being a long time DC fan sometime. LOL

It depends which titles of DC you've been a fan of. Yes, Superman, Legion and some others have been rebooted several times, but Green Lantern and Flash have been very consistent in terms of continuity.

Full reboots can be confusiing as well as heavy rectonning. It's pretty bad if you're tryng to make sense of or get attached to older comics of Martian Manhunter, Demon, Wonder Woman, Donna Troy, Power Girl, etc. And when I say older comics I mean stuff published 8 or 9 years ago in a lot of cases. LOL

[Chiclo]

Most of the time, there's not much continuity connecting Wonder Woman comics from 8 or 9 months ago.

[etos45]

Just a general note to everyone (I found this out myself last week) Spidey didn't get his organic webslingers from The Others, he got them in a plotline in Spectacular Spderman labeled Spiderman Disassembled.

Not that that helps anyone's current confusion.

Whoops.... I picked Spidey back up at the Others storyline, so I just assumed it had to be from that. Guess I need to look for Spider-man Disassembled now... But either way, it's like you said... it doesn't answer everything. What it looks like is that they've taken old-school (1960's-1970's) Spider-man and just sorta dropped him into 2008. Sure all the old continuity is still the same (sorta) but we've changed everything at the same time.

Now I kind of wonder if the clone saga was originally done as a way of getting rid of the marriage? The way I see it , as AWFUL as that was, it was still a better solution than this.

[Dr. Solar]

Most of the time, there's not much continuity connecting Wonder Woman comics from 8 or 9 months ago.

Sometimes, the previous issue of Wonder WOman came out 8 or 9 months ago.

[Todd Luck]

Just a general note to everyone (I found this out myself last week) Spidey didn't get his organic webslingers from The Others, he got them in a plotline in Spectacular Spderman labeled Spiderman Disassembled.

Not that that helps anyone's current confusion.

Whoops.... I picked Spidey back up at the Others storyline, so I just assumed it had to be from that. Guess I need to look for Spider-man Disassembled now... But either way, it's like you said... it doesn't answer everything. What it looks like is that they've taken old-school (1960's-1970's) Spider-man and just sorta dropped him into 2008. Sure all the old continuity is still the same (sorta) but we've changed everything at the same time.

Now I kind of wonder if the clone saga was originally done as a way of getting rid of the marriage? The way I see it , as AWFUL as that was, it was still a better solution than this.

In the USA Today article the clone saga was listed as one of the many attempts to get rid of the marriage which I thought was exceptionally sharp for a mainstream reported since I never thought of that myself.

And don't feel bad, I bought Amazing Spiderman for eight years and didn't realize where the organic web shooters came from. I didn't notice them til Back in Black and just assumed they came out of The Other (though I was wondered why I didn't recall it being mentioned in the "this is Spidey's new powers" issue) and I didn't know were they really came from til i read it on a message board (and double checked it). Glad to know some people who post do read this stuff. LOL

[Draco]

Sure they ruined twenty years of continuity but of those twenty years how many years were actually worth a toss to start with?

that right there might be the biggest thing anyone has said...

why thank you

[Chiclo]

Most of the time, there's not much continuity connecting Wonder Woman comics from 8 or 9 months ago.

Sometimes, the previous issue of Wonder WOman came out 8 or 9 months ago.

Point taken.

[Heath]

What we try to do is to make sure that the things we do don’t put us in a place where it does damage to a character in a way that is next to impossible to repair. I don’t mind straying from the original concept at times, that’s the sort of thing that makes for a fun storyline, it’s when you go to that place and then find that there’s no good way back that is ultimately damaging. A loose example I’ve used in the past is giving Daredevil back his sight. While that would make for a fun few issues, if we did it in a way that was impossible to retcon, I think people would get quite bored of DD stories after a short while and we would have to consider the character broken.

Joe Q lives in Bizarro world. What has happened to Spider-Man is a perfect example of damaging a character by taking him somewhere where there is "no good way back."

Spider-Man is now a broken character. And that will be Joe Q's legacy.

[Heath]

That quote came from http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35318.

[myron]

What we try to do is to make sure that the things we do don’t put us in a place where it does damage to a character in a way that is next to impossible to repair. I don’t mind straying from the original concept at times, that’s the sort of thing that makes for a fun storyline, it’s when you go to that place and then find that there’s no good way back that is ultimately damaging. A loose example I’ve used in the past is giving Daredevil back his sight. While that would make for a fun few issues, if we did it in a way that was impossible to retcon, I think people would get quite bored of DD stories after a short while and we would have to consider the character broken.

Joe Q lives in Bizarro world. What has happened to Spider-Man is a perfect example of damaging a character by taking him somewhere where there is "no good way back."

Spider-Man is now a broken character. And that will be Joe Q's legacy.

every interview of him that I read makes him sound more and more like a complete tool...he must have an ego the size of Manhattan...

[Cyberstrike]

I see 2 possible outcomes for Spider-Man: Brand New Day.

1) The story is supposed to last no longer than a couple of months and when it ends the status quo will be restored. Basically this makes the whole thing pointless that will become a House of M or Age of
Apocalypse type storyline.

2) That BND is not supposed to have a predetermined end and could be
dragged out indefinitely. This could backfire and make BND Spider-Man: The Clone Saga 2.

The thing that *SQUEE* me off with all this is that the idiots at Marvel want to
end Spider-Man's marriage in a way that wipes it out of the Marvel Universe. My question is: why? If you want to end the marriage then have Mary Jane and Peter get divorced or kill MJ off and be done with it.
This "we wipe out it of the history of the Marvel Universe" line is just plain stupid.

[Heath]

AICN: This, in conjunction with so many other big changes over the last two or three years with Spidey, leads one to wonder how permanent his new status is. Can you assure us the new status quo will remain in place long term, or is it just as disposable as everything else we've seen recently?

JQ: I can assure you it’s going to remain in place for the long term

[Cyberstrike]

AICN: This, in conjunction with so many other big changes over the last two or three years with Spidey, leads one to wonder how permanent his new status is. Can you assure us the new status quo will remain in place long term, or is it just as disposable as everything else we've seen recently?

JQ: I can assure you it’s going to remain in place for the long term

OK Joey Q, this what I think about OMD and you: I will not read a new Spider-Man comic book until one of three things happens:
1) Joe Quadsa steps down as Marvel's EiC.
2) Spider-Man's continuity and marriage both are fully restored.
3) Or both of the above.

[Todd Luck]

Okay so can someone explain to me what "sold out" means nowadays?

I mean, I read an article about Planet Hulk What If? being sold out but two out of two comic shops in Greensboro (where I buy comcs) had large stacks of them. However, repeated checks at 4 comics shops within a 50 mile radius of me never turned up a copy of Annihation What If? and I haven't seen any declaration of "sale out" on that one.

By that same token, the comic shop I get new comics at has atleast 4 copies of the "sold out" first issue of Brand New Day. I found the first two issues in my box and told him to put them on the shelf. He seemed upset but I'm not paying for *SQUEE* I don't want. I honestly thought I'd told the shop to drop Spiderman on JMS' last issue when it was solicited, you know, over half a year ago. LOL

[Heath]

"Sold Out" means different things to different sections of the industry.

Individual store inventories are not shared across the industry, so at the distributor/publisher level, "Sold Out" means there is no more available to be shipped to retailers if they place a reorder.

Individual shops may still have stock of a book that is no longer available for reorder from the distributor/publisher (such as Planet Hulk What If). Individual shops could also be sold out of a certain book, but it be readily available for reorder from the distributor/publisher (such as Annihilation What If).

So, it's really a matter of perspective. As Einstein said, all things are relative. But if you read an article, or see a blurb somewhere that a book is sold out, most likely that means at the publisher/distributor level.

[Todd Luck]

"Sold Out" means different things to different sections of the industry.

Individual store inventories are not shared across the industry, so at the distributor/publisher level, "Sold Out" means there is no more available to be shipped to retailers if they place a reorder.

Individual shops may still have stock of a book that is no longer available for reorder from the distributor/publisher (such as Planet Hulk What If). Individual shops could also be sold out of a certain book, but it be readily available for reorder from the distributor/publisher (such as Annihilation What If).

So, it's really a matter of perspective. As Einstein said, all things are relative. But if you read an article, or see a blurb somewhere that a book is sold out, most likely that means at the publisher/distributor level.

Yeah that would make sense. Thanks.

[Todd Luck]

My local comicshop (not the one I have my pull box at) had a stack of about 20 issues a piece of Brand New Day on the shelf. The owner said for every person who dropped Spidey, 5 more picked it up for the plotline. See how long it lasts.

[Byrneout]

My local comicshop (not the one I have my pull box at) had a stack of about 20 issues a piece of Brand New Day on the shelf. The owner said for every person who dropped Spidey, 5 more picked it up for the plotline. See how long it lasts.

Hunh. My LCS tried to donate 20 copies of each of the first two installments to Shriner's. Even after reducing their orders according to what they saw coming with OMD, the wholesale exodus of Spider-Man buyers there was relentless.

[Ryan]

I read the first 3 issues of BND... and well it was pretty bleh. I like Slott as a writer, and I like the idea of bringing Spider-Man back to his roots, but these issues didn't do much for me. Maybe I'll check in again for the next reboot.

[childres]

My local comicshop (not the one I have my pull box at) had a stack of about 20 issues a piece of Brand New Day on the shelf. The owner said for every person who dropped Spidey, 5 more picked it up for the plotline. See how long it lasts.

The problem for the lcs is that probably most of the people who dropped it were collectors who were there for the long haul. Most of the new buyers will be different. Like you say," See how long it lasts." Most of the customers who are jumping on the bandwagon now will probably stick around for a few issues at best. Theres always people looking for the next flavor of the week.

As for the sales of Spiderman, my local Hastings is one of 2 stores that carry comics in a 50 mile radius. The store usually gets a heavy amount of the Spidey titles & they usually sell out quickly. I've noticed the Brand New Day stuff is just sitting there. I've talked to a few of the people who pick up the titles & they were not pleased with the new direction. I know thats not a big indication of how the sales will go, but these guys had been buying the books for years. I know its great to add new readers, but it can't be good to lose the steady buyers the books already had.

-Joe

[Todd Luck]

My local comicshop (not the one I have my pull box at) had a stack of about 20 issues a piece of Brand New Day on the shelf. The owner said for every person who dropped Spidey, 5 more picked it up for the plotline. See how long it lasts.

The problem for the lcs is that probably most of the people who dropped it were collectors who were there for the long haul. Most of the new buyers will be different. Like you say," See how long it lasts." Most of the customers who are jumping on the bandwagon now will probably stick around for a few issues at best. Theres always people looking for the next flavor of the week.

As for the sales of Spiderman, my local Hastings is one of 2 stores that carry comics in a 50 mile radius. The store usually gets a heavy amount of the Spidey titles & they usually sell out quickly. I've noticed the Brand New Day stuff is just sitting there. I've talked to a few of the people who pick up the titles & they were not pleased with the new direction. I know thats not a big indication of how the sales will go, but these guys had been buying the books for years. I know its great to add new readers, but it can't be good to lose the steady buyers the books already had.

-Joe

Interesting thing is that the comicshop owner I mentioned (with 20 copies on the shelf and gobs of people adding it) was singing the praises on how good Brand New Day is and how much hey enjoyed the comics.

The owner of the comicshop where I buy my comics at (the one that had four copies on the shelf last week) said that they were only selling "alright" and was trying to down play them because he'd heard so many complaints about the story from customers (he hadn't read the comics, I doubt he reads most of the stuff he gets in).

Sometimes retailer attitude can effect things too (though who knows if that's the case here)